Flux ePure OR Duende SSL EQ

[mfender]

Duende currently does not work either with Leopard, or on 4/8 core Mac Pros. Especially not with both.

An update is due soon according to SSL - you might want to wait for that before making a decision. The Duende channel strip is still the best sounding software EQ I have ever used, and I am missing it terribly since I upgraded my Mac...

[Kirk D]

Duende currently does not work either with Leopard, or on 4/8 core Mac Pros. Especially not with both.

oh dear... let's hope its updated soon.

the X-EQ feature set looks great too doesn't it? do you have any experience with Flux ePure?

KD

[Lagerfeldt]

Originally Posted by Kirk D

I have outboard EQ for colour & tone shaping but I need something very hi-quality for
ITB low/hi-pass filtering and surgical fixing.

I find the Flux Epure has the best sounding filters I've come across, which is probably why it's used quite a bit for mastering (myself included).

[cl516]

How hard does EPURE hit the CPU?
Latency is very low/none right?

[cl516]

...at 96k?

[taturana]

Originally Posted by Lagerfeldt

I find the Flux Epure has the best sounding filters I've come across, which is probably why it's used quite a bit for mastering (myself included).

i like it a lot too...

for surgical, or mastering eq... it seems to be one of the best.

the ssl one is more of a flavor eq...

[Stiff]

I haven't tried the Duende SSL EQ, but it seems to me like it should be a very different EQ from Epure. I'm a big fan of Epure, and for getting really surgical you probably won't find anything cleaner. I kid you not. You can boost and cut with insane values. It's definitely not "easy" on the CPU, but it surely isn't the heaviest either.

[Kirk D]

thx guys - very helpful comments...

hopefully the CPU hit of EPure won't be a major concern with the 8-core.

I will check it out - the descriptions are exactly what I was looking for...

I wonder if the new Duende SSL X-EQ is as much of a flavour-piece as the channel strip?

KD

[Lagerfeldt]

Amazingly the CPU hit not bad at all with the Epure. I run it on a G5 Dual 2.3.

[Jim@SSL]

X-EQ is a ridiculously flexible 10-band design. 5 different filter types on the for the Hi/Lo pass bands, 9 different filter types for the 6 parametric bands. All run in serial or parallel configurations.....

You want clean?


It can handle it with ease....thumbsup


Leopard update on the way.

[Stiff]

Originally Posted by Kirk D

hopefully the CPU hit of EPure won't be a major concern with the 8-core.

I doubt it will be a problem then

[peeder]

You don't really need the X-EQ analyzer as it's not really any better than the one in the Logic Channel or Linear Phase EQs.

All of the EQs mentioned blow away the Logic EQs though.

X-EQ is a nice thing but very expensive here in the states.

I think EPure is a notch above X-EQ but you have to understand that Epure is a lot different than anything else I've used. It's got incredible cuts certainly but the boosts are their own thing and not to everyone's taste. They are quite the opposite of analog sounding, although quite shiny and glorious, and they may be just too much for mixing with...I don't know as I've never tried it.

Analog sounding EQs come from UAD. The Duende Channel EQ is vaguely analog sounding, but it's quite aggressive and a touch pasty sounding to me (my "paste" is maybe someone else's "sheen" that I feel is a bit too dry to glisten...). The UAD 88rs EQ is even more aggressive but not pasty. The UAD 1073 and Pultec Pro are the best character EQ plugins I've heard. The UAD Cambridge is a more analog sounding competitor of X-EQ (which is almost light as a feather sounding) and Epure. UAD Precision EQ is even more analog sounding.

I would take the UAD EQs over all of them, but even with all the UAD EQs I'm still interested in these others.

[redroom]

I have all the UAD stuff and I liek the precision eq but I find that the LP10 by Ddmf
to be outstanding.The interface could be better but it sounds fantastic.
**** DDMF-The home of Equalizers-DDMF ****

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by redroom

I have all the UAD stuff and I liek the precision eq but I find that the LP10 by Ddmf
to be outstanding.The interface could be better but it sounds fantastic.
**** DDMF-The home of Equalizers-DDMF ****

i have the LP10 and it smeared the transients quite a bit on an acoustic guitar track i was working on. the EQ that actually sounded good for this particular task was PSP Neon standard...it even beat the Sonnox EQ's ass in this particular instance.

the phase relationships between the bands while boosting and cutting is what gives an EQ it's particular character and can be (and most often is) desirable. a punchy EQ would've been better in my instance

how would you guys term the Epure & Duende EQs?

[EDIT] in error i confused IIEQ Pro with the LP10 so i retract my comment!

[redroom]

Originally Posted by macleodgrant

i have the LP10 and it smeared the transients quite a bit on an acoustic guitar track i was working on. the EQ that actually sounded good for this particular task was PSP Neon standard...it even beat the Sonnox EQ's ass in this particular instance.

the phase relationships between the bands while boosting and cutting is what gives an EQ it's particular character and can be (and most often is) desirable. a punchy EQ would've been better in my instance

how would you guys term the Epure & Duende EQs?

Im suprised you thought the LP10 Smeared the transients
Ive found it to be a very clear eq indeed.

Maybe you were using the phase shifting features

[cleartrueblue]

FWIW:

Noticing the Algorithmix logo at the bottom of the X-EQ manual, a little back-and-forthing to Algorithmix' web page for PEQ Blue leads to an obvious conclusion that X-EQ is a direct port of (most of) the PEQ Blue algorithms.

Blue is $1000 and PC only (for now, they're talking a Mac port), X-EQ $600 and cross-platform.

[akjl4]

Not only the lp10 is good but also try the ddmf II eq its the best Ive tried for surgical.

[cane creek]

I have a 8 core PC and im looking at Duende , so for the record forget Duende firewire and look at Duende PCIe im sure it will run alot more stable....

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by redroom

Im suprised you thought the LP10 Smeared the transients
Ive found it to be a very clear eq indeed.

Maybe you were using the phase shifting features

i actually need to correct my statement above, it was in fact the IIEQ Pro that gave me that effect and not the LP10 however i do own that but haven't tried it properly yet!!!!

[lordnielson]

Originally Posted by cleartrueblue

FWIW:

Noticing the Algorithmix logo at the bottom of the X-EQ manual, a little back-and-forthing to Algorithmix' web page for PEQ Blue leads to an obvious conclusion that X-EQ is a direct port of (most of) the PEQ Blue algorithms.

Blue is $1000 and PC only (for now, they're talking a Mac port), X-EQ $600 and cross-platform.

Interesting. I'm demoing the Algo blue and I'll probably shed a tear when it runs out. Are you or anybody else able to tell me that X-eq is the same or "as good as" the Algorithmix eq? Does X-eq also include the option to oversample ?

X-eq is $600 alright but you need to power that plugin. How much will the Pci thing be ? Will it include X-eq ?

[Whitecat]

Originally Posted by lordnielson

X-eq is $600 alright but you need to power that plugin. How much will the Pci thing be ? Will it include X-eq ?

It's in stock at a few UK retailers for £699. Only the channel strip and the bus comp are included, X-EQ is still an add-on.

I ponied up for the X-EQ about a week ago for my Duende Classic, and f*ck me is it good. Best "ITB" EQ I've heard since Neon HR (I'm a Mac person, so thus cannot even try the algorithmix stuff).

[duckoff]

bumping this thread - anyone got any more thoughts on Epure vs Duende

I'm trying to find the best quality clean eq for mixing ( not interested in 'vibe' eqs )

[Lagerfeldt]

Then get the Flux Epure. It's still the best around as far as I'm concerned.

Not only is it extremely clean without being sterile or cold, it has some very nice features like A/B morphing and M/S.

Another good option is the Sonnox Oxford EQ.

[preben]

I haven't tried Epure so I can't comment on that, but I do find that the SSL X-EQ is a step up from the Sonnox EQ.

[lordnielson]

I'd have a look at Aireq before the Sonnox.

[Mental Fred]

i was a/bing epure and psp neon hr ,they both sound very similar but the psp can be linear phase and have upsampling (when turned on epure can t compete on the material i was testing) .

[lllubi]

Softube developed or co-developed
Epure 2,Brilliance Pack and CL1B as mentioned on their site

didnt know about Epure till now

seems like they have a magic formula

[duckoff]

Epure sounds amazing - I love the interface too, it's got a tight focussed sound, my only 2 complaints

1. not enough flexability on shelving & cutting filters ( fixed bandwidths )
2. expensive


I think it's great for logic users who are looking to improve on the stock Eqs as it has a similar ( but much nicer ) GUI

[T_R_S]

SSL Eq's suck , Epure is amazing