Sony Oxford Native Audio Unit Petition

[DrDeltaM]

A call to all Logic/DP/... users:

http://www.petitiononline.com/sonyplug/petition.html

I once mailed Sony about porting their Oxford plugs to native AU (they are available as RTAS already anyway), and they answered they'd consider if there was enough interest. Someone set up this petition, well worth a vote IMO

[grahluk]

Great idea. Thanks for getting this petition going. I hope you don't mind me posting the link to the petition on other forums.

[Last Legend]

Speaking of native translations, I sure would like McDSP plugins ported.

I'm confused however why Sony would agree to port their plugs to native if there was enough interest when they have already made Powercore versions. Surely the market for AU/VST plugs is exponentially larger.

[DrDeltaM]

Yeah, McDSP in AU would rule!

[atticus]

You can have my vote!

[ttauri]

Originally posted by DrDeltaM
Yeah, McDSP in AU would rule!

While we're at it, what's up with the URS plugs? There's a company that actually said they were going to do AU versions, but it's been months of "coming soon."

Peece,
T. Tauri

[pounce]

while thinking about getting a powercore just to run the sony plug ins, getting them fully native would be better. i'd buy them if available in a form like au.

[morpheus]

hmmmm

Are AU and VST users willing to put up with Ilok?

Are AU and VST users willing to pay $395 for the Sony EQ and and $1100 for all the URS plugins and $500 for each of the Mcdsp plugins?

It seems AU has become a bit of a plug-in ghetto like VST...it attracts all the shareware developers but none of the 'big guns'. Why is that?

[pounce]

Originally posted by morpheus
hmmmm

Are AU and VST users willing to put up with Ilok?

Are AU and VST users willing to pay $395 for the Sony EQ and and $1100 for all the URS plugins and $500 for each of the Mcdsp plugins?

It seems AU has become a bit of a plug-in ghetto like VST...it attracts all the shareware developers but none of the 'big guns'. Why is that?

yes, i already have an ilok. i don't mind it as a copy protection system at all.

i also already have paid that much for other plug ins, so that's not a problem if they are good and i'll use them.

i think it's kind of stupid to call AU a plug in ghetto. it's the newest standard out there and movement there has been slow as both host programs and plug in manufacturer's have been getting things straightened out. it supports all of the features you'd want in a plug in format, so the jury is still out on it. it would be better to give it time to develop than cast loaded psuedo questions out there about why it doesn't have the support base yet that older formats do. the answer is obvious, and time will tell if it becomes as viable as i suspect it will as a standard. logic users are banking on it, and that's an important pro user base.

[ttauri]

Originally posted by morpheus
Are AU and VST users willing to put up with Ilok?

Logic and Cubase/Nuendo users are already using a dongle for the programs themselves, so I reckon there's already some acceptance of the concept. (I personally have an iLok for MachFive.)

As to the rest, I dunno.

Peece,
T. Tauri

[morpheus]

Originally posted by pounce
i think it's kind of stupid to call AU a plug in ghetto. it's the newest standard out there and movement there has been slow as both host programs and plug in manufacturer's have been getting things straightened out. it supports all of the features you'd want in a plug in format, so the jury is still out on it. it would be better to give it time to develop than cast loaded psuedo questions out there about why it doesn't have the support base yet that older formats do. the answer is obvious, and time will tell if it becomes as viable as i suspect it will as a standard. logic users are banking on it, and that's an important pro user base.

I think Apple themselves helped make it a ghetto by bundling all the free plugins with Logic 6. I mean, if you are a plugin developer do you really want to compete with that?

[Dr Gruv]

i hear the plugins are very high quality...

[hmurchison]

It seems AU has become a bit of a plug-in ghetto like VST...it attracts all the shareware developers but none of the 'big guns'. Why is that?

Native Instruments' lineup is almost all AU. But to answer you question first. The larger companies are encumbered by code bases that are maintained to be as cross platform as possible. Thus, when they wish to deploy a plugin in a new format they have to link their internal code with that of the new plugin format. This is considerably harder than what the smaller developers(including shareware) must do to deploy. They write directly to the plugin format usually and that keeps the code small, lean and easily managed. The large companies will come around once they are ready plus many are waiting to see more AU hosts out there before they take the plunge. Apple can add 250 thousand more hosts by making the next Final Cut Pro a full AU savvy host. The big guys are coming.

I think Apple themselves helped make it a ghetto by bundling all the free plugins with Logic 6. I mean, if you are a plugin developer do you really want to compete with that?

Those plugins only work in Logic so if I have other hosts for AU I still need 3rd party plugins.

[DrDeltaM]

iLok as copy protection is fine IMO. If companies can make RTAS plugs with iLok, i don't see the problem with AU with iLok.

URS is working on the AU versions, they first updated their plugs for full PT 6.4 and Command8/Icon/... compatibility. Now they're working on the AU versions. If all goes well, they're here later this summer.

I once mailed McDSP about AU versions, but never got a mail back.

About the included plugins in Logic: the most worthy of them are the softsynths/sampler type plugs. The compressor/eq plugins in Logic are ok for bundled plugins (better then in most other DAW soft), but not near the quality of the big compressor/eq plugins.

There is a market for sure, why you think that PowerCore and UAD-1 is so popular? Not for their DSP in the first place, as it introduces driver/hardware/latency hassle and isn't that powerfull compared to current computers. People buy them for their plugins. As i don't want the hassle and the low DSP power, i'd like to have native plugins.

[hmurchison]

Hmmm I could see Apple buying McDSP and killing the RTAS plug replacing it with AU. That would leave TDM customers happy, RTAS customers pissed off and AU customers ecstatic.

Can't like I'd love to see Colin McDowell on the Apple staff.

[pounce]

Originally posted by morpheus
I think Apple themselves helped make it a ghetto by bundling all the free plugins with Logic 6. I mean, if you are a plugin developer do you really want to compete with that?

all the programs i use come with included plug ins. DP, Logic Pro, Cubase, etc. i still buy plug ins. in fact i often buy plug ins that i think are better or more specialized than the included generic ones. i also assumed this was true for anyone who used plug ins much. i don't see any reason why someone wouldn't come out with their own eq, like sony. their eq is supposed to be one of the best digital ones out there and i'd like to put it to the test on my own mixes even if there is a free included eq in logic.

[Last Legend]

Call me a die hard conspiracy buff, but I wonder if Digidesign has leverage to pressure developers to only release the 'premium' stuff on TDM (or sometimes powercore in the case of Sony)? Another possibility is that hardware platforms serve as a huge dongle that keeps away the people that never ever pay for software.

Companies might be more inclined to port to other native formats if they were 100% sure they wouldn't be pirated.

[xqtion]

Yes Please Sony!!
also Audio Unit Cranesong Pheonix please!!!

[tobymusic]

I would most definitely buy the EQ and the Oxford Dynamics if they were available as RTAS and AU/VST - let´s say Oxford Native Bundle.
So I would only have to buy them once and would be able to use them in ProTools and Logic with only one authorization on my iLok, just like you do with a Waves Native Bundle. One bundle, all formats, that´s the way to go.

Especially for the Dynamics plug-in I think there is no substitute for that, no 1176, no Waves Compressors, no BF Plug that would be that flexible and great at the same time. And on top of that there´s that "warmth" option...

So, as soon as I can have those plugs in both PT and Logic, I´m sold.

[grahluk]

Originally posted by Last Legend
Call me a die hard conspiracy buff, but I wonder if Digidesign has leverage to pressure developers to only release the 'premium' stuff on TDM (or sometimes powercore in the case of Sony)? Another possibility is that hardware platforms serve as a huge dongle that keeps away the people that never ever pay for software.

I think you're pretty close to target on both those points.

[Teacher]

Originally posted by Last Legend
Call me a die hard conspiracy buff, but I wonder if Digidesign has leverage to pressure developers to only release the 'premium' stuff on TDM (or sometimes powercore in the case of Sony)? Another possibility is that hardware platforms serve as a huge dongle that keeps away the people that never ever pay for software.

Companies might be more inclined to port to other native formats if they were 100% sure they wouldn't be pirated.

I don't think so..i remember bumguy saying the reason he didn't make vst BF stuff was because he wouldn't make any money cuz its all pirated not cuz of DIgi design but he could of been full of it too....

[peteri]

A number of years ago I got quite of the way through applying to become a Digidesign plugin developer.

Now things may have changed, and this was about 3-4 years ago - but at the time, whilst Digidesign didn't stop you developing on other platforms, from what I experienced there was considerable pressure to restrict your plugins to their platform.

Nothing too heavy, but lots of 'it's the professional platform, therefore you can charge much more if it's exclusive' sort of thing.

As I said, this may have changed - certainly I've heard the people administering have (partly because they made it so hard/random) not many people got through!

Just my experience - nothing more

Pete

[tobymusic]

Any progress? Any answer from Sony?

I would really like to see that happen, we need these plugs on AU and VST, as well.

[macleodgrant]

well sony is now native and mcdsp is en route to audiounit so things are really looking up for us native users

[LX3]

Now all we need is a really really great native DAW to run them on.

Hurry up Apple, help us out here.

[macleodgrant]

good point! although logic is stable, it's buggy as hell. i am irritated the death with that program at this stage. just yesterday i was adding a new environment track object and no matter what track i chose, one of my overhead tracks played through it even though it wasn't routed. i tried different tracks up to 50! so i hope this rumour about logic for monday is true though i'm stuck with my current project in logic i guess anyways!