How to make Big Drum Sound & Bass Sound

[mailtulu]

Hi
Iwould appreciate if someone could help me with 2 questions? I use Logic Pro 7, RME, G5, Reason, UAD1e with la2a, 670, 1176, neve1073, pultec.

1. After treating with processors, which sounds gets bigger - Drum Machine (like R8, MPC2500) or software's sound inside a daw. Basically which can give me bigger sound.

2. How can I make my bass drum and snare big and Bass with a round deep low end.

Expecting your experienced openions.

Thanks in advance

[7161]

drums? (for drum&bass?) send it out to a 30 watt combo, mic it, overdrive it slightly on the amp and record the results and blend

[George Necola]

can you hear the subbase area? if you can't hear it, or you have a bad treated room, you can't mix it.

where are you mixing? what kind of system?

[mailtulu]

Dear Necola
I use logic pro 7 and do the mix in their arrange window using all logics plugins. I have a UAD 1e DSP card but still i did not install it. I have a pair of Yamaha NS10M and a pair of Genelec 1030A and a 7060A genelec sub. During mix I use NS10M always. Its range is upto 60Hz for sub area and I guess you dont get that sub area through this monitors. But when I sometime check with the genelec and the sub, I get the sub area. But you know my room is not that treated, its a plain room with my all gears and an additional computer table. Please suggest me how to treat this room. I will not be able to change too much because its a rented apartment but I can try for something. I have lot of studio foam unsed. Basically I need a clean round sub area. As well as my kick drums does not sound good. I use 2 track for kick, one from logic rock kit or dance kit and another from Reason Redrum kick. I add low and a compressor in the reason one, as well as I use compressor in the logic one. Most of the time it gets harder rather than deep tight smooth sound.
Some time I use 2 track for snare, one is little EQed and other is EQed, compressed and distoted with a long reverb. and finally I fix the proportion of these 2 tracks.
My bass guitar (i use synth bass from logic) also gets kind of gloomy. EQ - I add +5 to 8 in the sub area for bass guitar, cut a little in mid section, boost a little(+5 to +10+) in 5k and 10k. For kick and bass, I dont cut the low, other than these I cut low (at 20hz) in most of my tracks to make a clearer lowend. I use high pass for some of the tracks.
Basically I try to follow most of the formulas to make it bigger but still I am not at all satisfied. Could you suggest any instructional DVD or anything.
Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by George Necola

can you hear the subbase area? if you can't hear it, or you have a bad treated room, you can't mix it.

where are you mixing? what kind of system?

[DaKid]

1. Try using better samples from the start

2. Parallel Compression

3. Better samples from the start.....


Layering works, but if you're layering a bunch of sub-par kicks, you'll get a pile of sub-par kicks...

I don't know what genre of music you're working on, but sirrocco (posts on the rap/hip hop board) has some pretty good kits with some thumping kick drums. Check it out.