Beat Detective on Drums with NO CLICK

ryanojohn · 4th November 2007, 04:55 AM

So... I've been trying to figure out if it's possible to beat detective tracks that were NOT done to a click...

So far I've gotten as far as creating a tempo map based off the snare drum, and then cutting the kicks at the transients, and I was hoping there might be a 'quantize to grid' type function, so that I might quantize the kicks to the snare's tempo, which would hopefully at least make it feel a bit more 'in time,' even though it's to an inconsistent reference tempo.

This is for a metal band that certainly didn't have the footwork to pull off what they were intending. Everything is pretty tightly gated, and the overheads have pretty much no kick in them, so I'm not worried about phasing issues related to moving around one track out of the many drum tracks...

So I guess is my idea at all feasable? and beyond that what are the options to Beat Detective tracks that are not performed to a click?

tamasdragon · 4th November 2007, 10:09 AM

If you've created a correct tempo map, than you can beatdetective to that, so the "swinging" stay the same.
TD

Rufuss Sewell · 4th November 2007, 07:15 PM

Wait till 7.4 comes out in two weeks. This sounds like a job for elastic audio. You could use this opportunity as a learning tool to get your head around the new features and quantize the entire song to the grid! You know, choose a consistent tempo and then make the whole thing conform.

ryanojohn · 5th November 2007, 01:12 AM

I just read up on 7.4 it SOUNDS good, I hope it all works as they describe...lol

I tried to just conform to grid, but it moved some stuff to places that were nowhere near their original location... So I can only assume that the tempo map and grid is off...

brokemusician3 · 5th November 2007, 05:38 AM

When you use beat detective don't select too long of a segment it gets screwy when you do.

tamasdragon · 5th November 2007, 10:01 AM

Yes, as above said, work with 4 or 8 bars at once. Definately you need to practice a bit with beatdetective. The best way would be save a session copy to a safe place, and practice. Or, of course, wait for 7.4 with elastic audio, but that will have a learning curve too.
Tamas Dragon

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4th November 2007, 04:55 AM	#1
ryanojohn Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Emeryvile, CA Posts: 434	Beat Detective on Drums with NO CLICK So... I've been trying to figure out if it's possible to beat detective tracks that were NOT done to a click... So far I've gotten as far as creating a tempo map based off the snare drum, and then cutting the kicks at the transients, and I was hoping there might be a 'quantize to grid' type function, so that I might quantize the kicks to the snare's tempo, which would hopefully at least make it feel a bit more 'in time,' even though it's to an inconsistent reference tempo. This is for a metal band that certainly didn't have the footwork to pull off what they were intending. Everything is pretty tightly gated, and the overheads have pretty much no kick in them, so I'm not worried about phasing issues related to moving around one track out of the many drum tracks... So I guess is my idea at all feasable? and beyond that what are the options to Beat Detective tracks that are not performed to a click?

4th November 2007, 07:15 PM	#3
Rufuss Sewell Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,303	Wait till 7.4 comes out in two weeks. This sounds like a job for elastic audio. You could use this opportunity as a learning tool to get your head around the new features and quantize the entire song to the grid! You know, choose a consistent tempo and then make the whole thing conform. __________________ FOR SALE: 32ch DAKING 1112 console Check the classifieds!!! www.MySpace.com/NebulostProductions

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4th November 2007, 10:09 AM	#2
tamasdragon Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 791	If you've created a correct tempo map, than you can beatdetective to that, so the "swinging" stay the same. TD

5th November 2007, 01:12 AM	#4
ryanojohn Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Emeryvile, CA Posts: 434	I just read up on 7.4 it SOUNDS good, I hope it all works as they describe...lol I tried to just conform to grid, but it moved some stuff to places that were nowhere near their original location... So I can only assume that the tempo map and grid is off...

5th November 2007, 05:38 AM	#5
brokemusician3 Gear nut Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 107	When you use beat detective don't select too long of a segment it gets screwy when you do.

5th November 2007, 10:01 AM	#6
tamasdragon Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 791	Yes, as above said, work with 4 or 8 bars at once. Definately you need to practice a bit with beatdetective. The best way would be save a session copy to a safe place, and practice. Or, of course, wait for 7.4 with elastic audio, but that will have a learning curve too. Tamas Dragon