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Logic 8 and/or Cubase 4?

Hi,

I still think to switch to a new DAW! Logic 8 or Cubase 4 should be the choices! Does anyone know or use both of them anc can give a fair summing up of pros and cons?

Logic:
  • improved performance
  • nicer instruments
  • perhaps better sounding engine???
  • IR Reverb
  • nice new editing features
  • available in most studios i know
  • cheaper price (unless you want to use high quality time and pitchshifting, becuase then you have to buy separate software)
  • integrated sampler (but you need to buy the redmatica softs to make this one an intuitive workhorse)
  • good scoring


Cubase:
  • crystal clear audio engine
  • better new channel eq and highend (multiband)compressor
  • good algorithmic reverb (no lexicon of course)
  • official waves support (logic 8 has not official support like DP5.1)
  • great timestretching and pitchshifting algos (MPEX)
  • VST support
  • improved scoring features


anyone?
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Smile IMO

Here you go -

i prefer and use logic - but that only coz its what i know and im used to it and its on mac...

however if i ever switched to a pc - cubase or nuendo would be my first port of call....

however this is only my opinion....

both a very good choices.....

if on mac go logic....

if on pc go cubase...

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is cubase not as good on the mac as on the pc?
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Doesn't Logic now include the incredible timestretch algorithms developed by Izotope?. Those are way WAAAY better than Cubases's MPEX.

(and this coming from a Cubase user)
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I use both on Mac...I really think there have been MAJOR workflow improvements in Logic, but I swear I think Cubase sounds a little better. Plus, there's a major comping bug in Logic right now...at least for me. Cubase is solid as a rock. Logic is prettier, but other than a better Reverb, I think Cubase has some great plugs. It doesn't really matter to me though because I'm using third party plugs for most everything. Neither have instruments and effects that can compete with Vienna Chamber, Ivory, Amplitube 2, Plugsound Pro, CSR and UAD-1...so with everything even, I find Cubase faster, more logical and at least to me, it sounds a tiny bit better.
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no they doesn't!

you can integrate the serato or izotope algos if you pay for them!!!
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Cubase runs fine on the Mac. I run it on BOTH. Only diff is that the Mac doesnt allow direct monitoring with Cubase. This is a Mac issue, not Cubase. Simple, I just use the software console for my MOTU which gives me latency free monitoring on the front end. Logic is real bugy right now.
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Logic 8:
+ great included synths and effects
+ IR utility is really cool
+ very flexibile channel routing
+ it's cheap
+ no dongle
+ you can use the keyboard to generate midi notes
- external instruments / effects latency compensation bad implentented, not workable.
- audiotracks were hard to manipulate
- it was very buggy on my 8-core mac pro, audiochannels wouldn't mute or start unless I stopped and started a looped section.

Cubase 4:
+ external instruments / effects work perfect.
+ audiotracks are better manipulated, I missed a lot of this in Logic 8
+ bouncing a specific track is easier, but
- you can't bounce all tracks one by one automatically
+ envelope shaper is great, I haven't really used the other plugins.
- some plugins don't work in cubase 4
- sidechaining is hard (but upcoming update should fix this).
- group routing, you can't route to a previous group on the mixer
- you can't bounce all tracks one by one automatically
- it's also buggy on 8-core, but less than logic 8

I used Logic 8 for about a month untill I switched back to Cubase 4. I think I'll use Logic 8 on my upcoming Macbook.
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Cubase 4:
- some plugins don't work in cubase 4
???

I heard that most plugins are rocksolid under cubase! however are the plugins from waves etc. real solid in logic 8? probably both daws need some updates to fix that!
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Im running WAVES Gold Bundle with C4 with no problems on Mac and PC
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just had a phone call with some Cubase 4 users here today! Thea use a lot plugins without any trouble and say that C4 is real solid!

I also got some reports that Logic 8 does not work as solid as C4 so far!
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In my experience, Cubase 4 runs really badly on a G5 but extremely smoothly on my Intel Mac. Included plugins are definitely better in Logic as is CPU efficiency but as far as features go, Cubase definitely wins for me. If I was on a G5 though, I'd stick to version 3.
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Cubase 4 on a mac g5 here with waves platinum bundle actually runs better for me than it does with my pro tools rig and waves plat
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Smile ok here s the vibe

logic 8 isnt goin to be amazing for a couple of versions...

cubase is a good tool as well...

its all about personal preference and what features you require and/or prefer.....

hey man - its all about what comes out the speakers after all...


but consider carefully and good luck ..

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What puts me off from "switching" is reading various support forums, I get a clear impression that Logic seems to have more issues of incompatiblities & bugs with third-party plugs.

VST is a much more mature format I guess.

(Cubase user.... currently "on the fence" though...)
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Cubase

- possibly the worst attitude towards customers and the absolute worst customer service on the planet in any indsutry. SX3 is my main DAW, I wish the service wasn't so bad but it is.
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Cubase

- possibly the worst attitude towards customers and the absolute worst customer service on the planet in any indsutry. SX3 is my main DAW, I wish the service wasn't so bad but it is.
Not fair IMHO. I've been a Cubase user for years and have never had an issue with their support. Maybe it's different in Canada but a quick call to arbiter(Ireland and UK support for steiny) and they quickly help me solve any issue(which have been very few).
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I've tried both

It's a toss-up. I sold C4 because I just wanted to pick one and go with it. Logic's built in effects and instruments sold me on it. I've got 3rd party plugins and synths, but Logic's are good enough I'm not that tempted to use the 3rd party stuff.

Stability on my MBP wasn't terrific for either of the apps. They both occasionally crash/hang, but they're both reasonably stable.

Logic's new comping tool is insanely nice, though I haven't tried it for Multitrack comping. Comping in Cubase isn't as nice. The external hardware feature of Cubase is cool, but the workaround in Logic isn't that bad at all.
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Whatever floats your boat;
Logic at 8.0-version and not 1 single crash since install! (knock on wood)
Only con, is that you need a Mac for it, but it also runs great on a G4, 1,25 GHz.
No real experience with Cubase,however,
I tested SX3 for a while, but I immediately lingered in some sort of
Fisher-Price state, where the clouds are pink and the sky is mint green...
After 3 clicks I had to remove 7 windows that popped up, filling the screen.
Cubase is like surfing on the internet without a popup-blocker;
the windows are coming out of the woodworks.
If you want a PC alternative, I'd go for Sonar: tight, crash-free and no 'system-overload'-BS...that's the other flip-side of Logic's coin.
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Whatever floats your boat;
Logic at 8.0-version and not 1 single crash since install! (knock on wood)
Only con, is that you need a Mac for it, but it also runs great on a G4, 1,25 GHz.
No real experience with Cubase,however,
I tested SX3 for a while, but I immediately lingered in some sort of
Fisher-Price state, where the clouds are pink and the sky is mint green...
After 3 clicks I had to remove 7 windows that popped up, filling the screen.
Cubase is like surfing on the internet without a popup-blocker;
the windows are coming out of the woodworks.
If you want a PC alternative, I'd go for Sonar: tight, crash-free and no 'system-overload'-BS...that's the other flip-side of Logic's coin.
WOW! i´ll do that. At least the alternatives are cheap... that´s good! too bad money doesn´t do any noise
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In my experience Cubase SX3 has a nasty inherent CPU load relative to anything else.

Anyone else notice this? I've read people complaining about C4 too.

By contrast, I've seen Logic 7 work feasibly on an old G4 (with the tiny FSB speed). Just don't instantiate "Sculpture"...



I use SX3 and own PTLE... plus I'm messing around with REAPER. Gonna do a shootout soon.
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Ummm... a choice between only Cubase or Logic?...

Then I think I'd ditch the Mac, get a Core 2 Duo PC, and run Sonar 7!!!

Seriously... Sonar 7 is an intuitive, creativity inducing, music making monster... and 7 is super stable to boot. thumbsup

OK... sorry for the hijack. tutt Back to your Standard Operating Procedures.
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If he already has a mac, he could just as easily run sonar on his mac via bootcamp, parallels, or crossover
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Hello fellas

Yesterday Cubase 4.1 just got released and it is a new ballgame.

So, your checklist would look like that :

Logic
  • improved performance
  • nicer instruments
  • perhaps better sounding engine???
  • IR Reverb
  • nice new editing features
  • available in most studios i know
  • cheaper price (unless you want to use high quality time and pitchshifting, becuase then you have to buy separate software)
  • integrated sampler (but you need to buy the redmatica softs to make this one an intuitive workhorse)
  • good scoring
Cubase:
  • improved performance
  • nicer instruments (then in SX3 - some new ones in Cubase 4.1. But not as nice as in Logic)
  • nice new editing features
  • crystal clear audio engine
  • better new channel eq and highend (multiband)compressor
  • good algorithmic reverb (no lexicon of course) - now "supposed" to be even better with VST3 support
  • official waves support (logic 8 has not official support like DP5.1)
  • great timestretching and pitchshifting algos (MPEX)
  • VST(3) support
  • improved scoring features
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Ah well at least they both have "nice new editing features"! That's very important. And it's also good to know that Cubase has a "crystal clear audio engine", while Logic has a "better audio engine".
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i haven 't had one single problem with logic 8 yet maybe im lucky?
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i haven 't had one single problem with logic 8 yet maybe im lucky?
You are. Overall, I'm pretty impressed with Logic 8, but I've crashed it on a Mac Pro and my MBP. The stability on my MBP isn't where I want it to be. If I save often, it's more of a nuisance than anything else, but I've probably crashed 50 times. The Mac Pro is better, but I've certainly crashed that one too.

My crashes are also without using any 3rd party plugs.

System:

MBP, Fireface 800, USB2 Ext HD, USB Motu AVP 8x8 midi interface

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All that said, I crashed C4, SX1,2,3 and every other application I've ever used.
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I use SX3 and own PTLE... plus I'm messing around with REAPER. Gonna do a shootout soon.
don't post that to steinberg! u use cubase and own PTLE? so where ist sx3 from?

sorry had to ask that!

so a lot people say that logics pluggies are better? i thought/heard the instruments from logic are awesome, but the eq, comp and so on should be better in cubase or at least as good! am I wrong, or better, were these information wrong?
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don't post that to steinberg! u use cubase and own PTLE? so where ist sx3 from?

sorry had to ask that!

so a lot people say that logics pluggies are better? i thought/heard the instruments from logic are awesome, but the eq, comp and so on should be better in cubase or at least as good! am I wrong, or better, were these information wrong?
The comp and especially EQ are nicer in Cubase 4. The channel eq and the GEQ10 and 30 are very good. I use the GEQs all the time (excellent presets as well). Logic has a lot of cool unique plugins tho too like the space designer. But imo the eq in Logic should be a lot better. Logic was also not stable for me changing buffer size on my Onyx while a project was open and had some issues with my Ti for a bit. I guess I didnt use it quite long enough .. maybe those were fluke incidents.
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You are. Overall, I'm pretty impressed with Logic 8, but I've crashed it on a Mac Pro and my MBP. The stability on my MBP isn't where I want it to be. If I save often, it's more of a nuisance than anything else, but I've probably crashed 50 times. The Mac Pro is better, but I've certainly crashed that one too.

My crashes are also without using any 3rd party plugs.

System:

MBP, Fireface 800, USB2 Ext HD, USB Motu AVP 8x8 midi interface

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All that said, I crashed C4, SX1,2,3 and every other application I've ever used.
FWIW. Logic 8 has not crashed on my system either. Maybe you're unlucky??
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