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Question RME Fireface or MOTU traveller?

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what do u think?


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and if u think of anything else better under 1000GBP then do tell!!!

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RME ,I have a MOTU 828mkii BTW, RME is much better. Driver are WAY better as well
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the fireface is really good. up there with the best converters imo. i haven't used the motu.
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I have four MOTU audio interfaces (PCI though) and all I can say is that I like them a lot. Great sound and no problems at all. I have to mention that I use these interfaces along with my Macs.
I have no PC experience with the MOTUs but as far as a couple of my friends, (who use Traveller and Ultralite) tell me, everything is fine there as well.
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RME ,I have a MOTU 828mkii BTW, RME is much better. Driver are WAY better as well
+1

Same case. Go RME you wont regret it.

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Traveler is far better than the FF800, sound and performance wise.
The FF800 is a rather inferior product, not better than M-audio or other semi-pro interfaces.

Just check the reviews.
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Traveler is far better than the FF800, sound and performance wise.
The FF800 is a rather inferior product, not better than M-audio or other semi-pro interfaces.

Just check the reviews.
What reviews? where? can u link me?

for the record i will be using a MBP with this setup...


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Traveler is far better than the FF800, sound and performance wise.
The FF800 is a rather inferior product, not better than M-audio or other semi-pro interfaces.

Just check the reviews.
Love to see some of those reviews ! This sounds more like chest beating than user experience ....

The motu stuff is NOT in the same league as the RME stuff , i've owned a few MOTU pieces over the years the last being a 828mk2 , it is not even in the running against an RME 800/400 ....

Simply get yourself a FF400 and make music , it's conversion is better than my original Apogee Rosetta ...
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Simply get yourself a FF400 and make music , it's conversion is better than my original Apogee Rosetta ...
are you sayin u got rid of an apogee rosetta for a ff400?

isnt that just nuts???

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MOTU Traveler
RME Fireface 800

I sold my FF800 after buying an M-Audio Ozonic controler. It sounded about the same and the drivers behaved better.

The RME driver release policy, that some regards as outstanding, is pure madness... on almost an weekly basis there is a new set of drivers or firmware. Beta as beta can get.

The finest sounding FW card i tested til this very day is the Onyx 400f. It has the same AD\DA of the FF400 but it over samples at 128 bit instead of of 40bit. Its drivers however scared me away. I had my share with RME already.

The Onyx pre amps are just sweet, I can´t find words to do justice to its DI: forget about your plugin folder, sit back, relax and enjoy what has been recorded instead of searching for plugs to mask the short comings of not so good I\O.

The Traveler is not comparable to a 828. period.


There are more reviews. Isaw one on Computer Mag where there was a shoot out between FF800 And the Traveler. Both scored 10\10 IIRC.

The Traveler however got two awards on top, editor choice and best buy.

I´m eager to try the new YAMAHA n series too. They know a thing or two about audio interfaces
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MOTU Traveler
RME Fireface 800


The Traveler is not comparable to a 828. period.
is that a good think or a bad thing?

i personally am not a fan of the 828 - as i had a mk1 then i got a rme mutliface then sold that to get usb mbox2 for tools now im off tools...

HELP!

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MOTU Traveler
RME Fireface 800

I sold my FF800 after buying an M-Audio Ozonic controler. It sounded about the same and the drivers behaved better.

The RME driver release policy, that some regards as outstanding, is pure madness... on almost an weekly basis there is a new set of drivers or firmware. Beta as beta can get.

The finest sounding FW card i tested til this very day is the Onyx 400f. It has the same AD\DA of the FF400 but it over samples at 128 bit instead of of 40bit. Its drivers however scared me away. I had my share with RME already.

The Onyx pre amps are just sweet, I can´t find words to do justice to its DI: forget about your plugin folder, sit back, relax and enjoy what has been recorded instead of searching for plugs to mask the short comings of not so good I\O.

The Traveler is not comparable to a 828. period.


There are more reviews. Isaw one on Computer Mag where there was a shoot out between FF800 And the Traveler. Both scored 10\10 IIRC.

The Traveler however got two awards on top, editor choice and best buy.

I´m eager to try the new YAMAHA n series too. They know a thing or two about audio interfaces
So what have you given us ? You gave us a review of the FF800 where the dude is so impressed he pulls out his credit card , and a review of the traveller where he is surprised that it's better than some of their other offerings , but say's Apogee converters are better but the Traveller is not a slouch(whatever that means) , where do they say any of this in those reviews from your previous post ?

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Traveler is far better than the FF800, sound and performance wise.
The FF800 is a rather inferior product, not better than M-audio or other semi-pro interfaces.

Just check the reviews.
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You went as far as degrading the Fireface to useless status despite it's excellent reputation , yet somehow the Traveller is miles ahead and by your standard above semi-pro ?

Are you sure you are not beating your chest ?

I'll tell you now a FF400/800 stands up very well to the latest incarnation of the Rosetta , and i'm a fan of both companies and own both their products ....

As far as RME drivers i've never seen a more stable driver , i couldn't care less if they released one on an hourly basis ...
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are you sayin u got rid of an apogee rosetta for a ff400?

isnt that just nuts???

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what do u think?
Here's an interesting technical page about firewire chips written by Matthias Carstens (RME engineer).
RME: Support TechInfo on firewire chip implementations
Of course, it may be slanted in RME's favor but it's interesting information nonetheless. It says MOTU uses "Philips AV LLC" chip.
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Traveler is far better than the FF800, sound and performance wise.
The FF800 is a rather inferior product, not better than M-audio or other semi-pro interfaces.

Just check the reviews.
Someone needs a hearing test M-Audio pfff
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RME, no question

But you might consider waiting for the new expresscard/34 that comes out at the end of the year...once they get the bugs worked out it should blow away any (including their own) FW interfaces
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Fireface 400 does not have enough inputs.
That leaves the 800 versus the Traveler.
I have both. I'm using them in 2 different work stations.
Fireface 800 has an annoying feature where it freezes the computer for about 10 seconds when you turn the computer on.
For conversion, I'd put them on par with each other. Maybe Fireface has the edge.
Fireface preamps may be a bit better.
Traveler's digital I/O is superior unless you need 2 ADAT I/O.
The Traveler does not "cheat" on latency like the Fireface. You cannot ping for external effects with the Fireface. That is a huge problem for the Fireface, and it has yet to be acknowledged as a problem by RME. They blame it on Cubase and the other DAW's that allow pinging.
The Traveler is significantly cheaper and has the edge IMO. Also, they have sold more units and thus it is easier to get a good deal on Ebay. Fireface has disadvantages and the advantages are not significant enough to warrant the cost.
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BTW. The inablity to ping externally means that you cannot use a lot of effects (compression, equalizer, tremolo, saturation, chorus) on an effects processor as a send (since you will get phase). You have to go insert on the RME. With the Traveler, you can properly ping and not have phase.
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BTW. The inablity to ping externally means that you cannot use a lot of effects (compression, equalizer, tremolo, saturation, chorus) on an effects processor as a send (since you will get phase). You have to go insert on the RME. With the Traveler, you can properly ping and not have phase.
Are you saying then that the Traveler sounds better than the Motu828MKii? Apparently the Traveler is MUCh better thant he 828MKii?
Just curious.

Im not aware of the ping issue your talking about
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No, still got it
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my problem with apogee is price - and that creamy apogee sound....

ff400 seems like a good bet if i cannot afford ff800

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Question Expresscard34

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RME, no question

But you might consider waiting for the new expresscard/34 that comes out at the end of the year...once they get the bugs worked out it should blow away any (including their own) FW interfaces
EXPRESS34 interfaces?

when?

where?

i would prefer ones of those!

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i have used both and i own the ff 800. stag is way, way wrong.

buy the rme!
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Here's an interesting technical page about firewire chips written by Matthias Carstens (RME engineer).
RME: Support TechInfo on firewire chip implementations
Of course, it may be slanted in RME's favor but it's interesting information nonetheless. It says MOTU uses "Philips AV LLC" chip.
thanks - im steeting clear of MOTU!

i had a mk1 828 and wasnt impressed then!
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MOTU Traveler
RME Fireface 800I sold my FF800 after buying an M-Audio Ozonic controler. It sounded about the same and the drivers behaved better.
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Question why is expresscard34 audio better than fw?

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RME!

I used the 828mk2 for some years and was quite happy with it. But a year ago I was curious and picked up a Traveller, Apogee's Ensemble and the FF400 to do some testing.

In my ears the FF400 was better than the traveller (not light years ahead, but slightly more detailed and open). Also the mic pre's sounded better on the FF400.
Ensemble was a little different than the FF400. I don't know if I will say better... I felt the sound was a little more open/more pronounced high freq, but I also felt it was sort of pleasing the sound. The pre's in the ensemble sounded good, but I liked the FF400 better. So - FF400 is now living on my desktop

The drivers for the FF400 are realy good, and I can't recognise the bitching about beta-driver releases all the time. Another big plus on the FF400 is the RME mixer and matrix letting you route any input to any output you want - including mirroing.

For the express card I don't know if you will experience better perfomance than with firewire.
I use a MBP and have an eSATA express34card and a eSATA HD. And THAT works wonders!

Good luck - I vote for RME
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I use a MBP and have an eSATA express34card and a eSATA HD. And THAT works wonders!

Good luck - I vote for RME
KOOL AS - Maybe i should switch HD's from fw800 to esata?

then use onbaord i/o on MBP throught decent A2D and D2A?

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ok thanks but thats only rme?

but sayin that ...i need to start a new thread?

why is expresscard34 audio better than fw?

what happened to the vx pocket?

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because firewire blows.

read the rme tech paper on firewire problems. they make the best fw interface but it's still far from the performance capabilities of a pci or pcie interface.

the expresscard will give you performance similar to a pcie card w/o the band limiting and safety buffers in the fw units.
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KOOL AS - Maybe i should switch HD's from fw800 to esata?

then use onbaord i/o on MBP throught decent A2D and D2A?

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What really counts is that you're not using the same bus for HD and Audio interface. Meaning, if you go for a firewire interface you could get in trouble (bandwith) using a FW HD (on the mac the FW400 and FW800 shares the same bus).
I use lot's of samples streamed from the HD (Vienna Symphonic Library and Ivory Grand Piano - just to mention some of the heavy-disk-streaming stuff) AND do audio recording to the same disk. This works really well with the eSATA (and a G-Tech G-Drive Q 750 GB HD). Om my firewire 400 port I have the FF400 and a Canopus DV-device (for movie-output on AV-monitor)
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