MAC OS X LEOPARD Ships the 26th... All the info!

[TonyBelmont]

Apple - Mac OS X Leopard

Leopard is here in 10 days.

[dkatz42]

For those who don't read all the way to the bottom, they'll sell you a copy of Leopard for $10 in shipping if you buy a "qualifying" Mac between now and the release date. Sounds like the best scenario to me if you're in the market for a new machine (though they don't mention what makes a system "qualifying") since you'll have both o/s's for close to nothing.

[Dysanfel]

I hope we all don't have to wait a year to safely use this in a DAW.

[Sensual Ears]

i'm happy with 10.4

[elambo]

Is it expected to be a faster OS than 10.4 - or slower - same - or unknown?

[gyom]

Did anyone already tested it?
especially with ProTools LE ?

[mlehmann]

ProTools LE won't be compatible for now. And according to Digi, 7.4 won't be compatible either. You'll need to wait for 7.4.1 or whatever the next upgrade will be called.

[ron2812]

Hmm...yeah...i wonder too if i should get it right away. Seems to be a pretty amazing OS.
I just don't wanna mess up my system. Don't know if everything is still compartible. What about all the drivers and stuff? Do they use the same technology like 10.4?

I have 2 Macs...does anyone of you know if it works, if i would buy 1 Leopard (so...single user version)? Basically i am one user :-) Just with 2 Macs...

[6strings]

Originally Posted by elambo

Is it expected to be a faster OS than 10.4 - or slower - same - or unknown?

Looks like slower for any but the latest computers? We'll see...

Thoughts on Leopard performance on PowerPC Macs (Updated)

I've read elswhere that this will be the first OS upgrade which makes older machines run slower...

[stevegalante]

Well. ok... some new graphics, everything ITuned and a probably useful backup system... and then what ? A nightmare for updates...

[jbuehler]

All the freaking updates make older macs slower.

You think they would make them faster?

Now that makes absolutely NO business sense.

If you need a backup program than you are crazy.......you should already have one.

[Jax]

Originally Posted by dkatz42

For those who don't read all the way to the bottom, they'll sell you a copy of Leopard for $10 in shipping if you buy a "qualifying" Mac between now and the release date.

There's a good chance Leopard will arrive in the box with the MacPro 2.66 is just bought on the 14th!

If so, I'm still gonna wait for Digi to catch up before I try to use it with Pro Tools, but Leopard looks damn sexy.

[Sensual Ears]

there is nothing wrong with 10.4

say it with me: "Computers are NOT sexy, women ARE."

[colinmiller]

For some reason Vista is much slower on my 486 than Windows 95....

[dkatz42]

Here's the URL for the $10 update if you happen to buy a machine this month. It appears to include everything down to the lowliest Mini.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

[elambo]

Originally Posted by jbuehler

All the freaking updates make older macs slower.

You think they would make them faster?

Now that makes absolutely NO business sense.

If you need a backup program than you are crazy.......you should already have one.

Actually, it's make perfect business sense. Gradually get people hating the gradually slowing speed of their mac and they'll want to upgrade eventually. I hate this this happens, but it is happening, no doubt, nonetheless.

[6strings]

Originally Posted by jbuehler

All the freaking updates make older macs slower.

Not true (unless you're talking "antiquated" macs). System-wide optimizations made 10.3 faster for ALL macs. Some say there were similar improvements to 10.4, but I haven't noticed either way.

10.5 will likely bring the first substantial hit to mac performance since OS X was first introduced. Seems like they're all out of optimizations... (or simply want to increase that bottom line)

[Jax]

Originally Posted by 6strings

10.5 will likely bring the first substantial hit to mac performance since OS X was first introduced. )

Except for MacPro's, I hope.

[chucks]

300+ new features? I guess Apple is on the OS bloat wagon. In the DAW world, less is more.

[seclusion]

I don't know about slower, I ran 2 builds of Leo on my Mac pro system .499 and .527 and everything was just snappier. Seemed really stable until I migrated my Tiger stuff over to the new drive. Then she got a little buggy.
So when the new disk arrives I have my Leo HD all ready to format.
the only crash I had in both Leo builds was in Safari believe it or not.
All my Logic songs opened, the only plugs that didn't migrate over were...
Dadadtata
Waves....
Yeah, I get to redo that headache, (still under WUP) hopefully it'll just work!
I goofed with it for 2 weekends with a 2 songs in Logic 7 with my Tascam FW 1884 and it worked great. No problems, memeory use didn't seem any worse, any better.
But everything just worked better.( Safari :( )
I liked the networking part, much quicker and didn't require a restart if I had trouble connecting to a shared folder etc.
I don't think too many of us are into a headache changing to the new OS other than taking the time to transfer everything over.
I've decided, even though it's probably not necessary, to not migrate anything.
Fresh install, fresh permissions etc. I suspect a day to do all that, I'll leave my Tiger install intact and beta test away...
No, I've already beta tested, I'll just be using!
Later
Brian

[Jax]

My Mac Pro just arrived and didn't ship with Leopard. Thought it would, since I ordered it 3 days ago.

10.4.1.

Oh well, they can milk me for $10. I'll be using 10.5 eventually...

I was using a dual 1.25 G4, so this will be a huge leap up in performance!

[Jax]

By the way, Apple has really cut down on extraneous packaging. Good on them for using smaller boxes, less styro, and less plastic. thumbsup

[harry_seldon]

Everyone focuses on the 300 new things, but the focus from the DAW standpoint is really in a few areas.
1. True 64 bit
2. Better multi-core support
3. Developer tools to leverage these changes
4. More universal code, especially Preview ( read any manuals)
5. Increased application memory support

Anyone with a Xeon based Mac Pro should see significant performance improvements, but I still don't have an answer whether Logic 8 was coded to take advantage of Leopard, and must still be under NDA until release.

[pollyserial]

and, here's hoping they've addressed some of the problems with firewire....I don't know if other people have problems, but I've noticed many. For instance, audio interfaces tend not to work (not 100% of the time, which is even more maddening) if there's a firewire drive plugged in at any firewire port on my dual G5; and, I have a presonus firebox which used to be able to draw power from my laptop or g5 (10.4.10) but can't anymore; it does however draw power just fine from my mac mini (10.4.7). Weird stuff. And enough to make me lean seriously towards a pci-e solution.

[6strings]

Originally Posted by Jax

Except for MacPro's, I hope.

No, we're talking mainly about G4s and single-core processors taking a hit. This really sucks for those who bought a new $2500 Powerbook in 2006.


I agree with the general sentiments of this author (leave the fancy stuff to the applications):

60 Mac Models Left Behind: The Ridiculously High Cost of Leopard

"These system requirements are ridiculous.

Call me old school, but an OS shouldn't require a lot of processing power, memory, and hard drive space; that should be available for applications"

[hogo]

Originally Posted by 6strings

No, we're talking mainly about G4s and single-core processors taking a hit. This really sucks for those who bought a new $2500 Powerbook in 2006.


I agree with the general sentiments of this author (leave the fancy stuff to the applications):

60 Mac Models Left Behind: The Ridiculously High Cost of Leopard

"These system requirements are ridiculous.

Call me old school, but an OS shouldn't require a lot of processing power, memory, and hard drive space; that should be available for applications"

Tell that to windows vista!

[gregohb]

Originally Posted by Jax

There's a good chance Leopard will arrive in the box with the MacPro 2.66 is just bought on the 14th!

If so, I'm still gonna wait for Digi to catch up before I try to use it with Pro Tools, but Leopard looks damn sexy.

I think not. The macs are loaded, then shipped, and there is a time lag. I bought a new mac before, after the new OS came out, and it still had the old one - and no upgrade path. I was hosed again now - having bought a new Mac Pro at the end of Sept, so if I had waited a week or two, I would be able to get the new OS. Thanks Apple.

In the past, I think you are able to buy a single OS, and install it on all your macs though.

[ron2812]

Yo!
I think i posted that before, but:

Anyone got an idea, if drivers still work? I'm thinking of the drivers for e.g. the Midisport 4x4 and old stuff like that.
M-Audio has the drivers for 10.4 for Intel anyway...will those work on 10.5 too?

Did they use the same driver technology in 10.5?

[richardswag]

Originally Posted by Jax

By the way, Apple has really cut down on extraneous packaging. Good on them for using smaller boxes, less styro, and less plastic. thumbsup

Good. I remember when UPS turned up with my current G5 I thought they were delivering a boat by mistake.

[harry_seldon]

Originally Posted by ron2812

Yo!
I think i posted that before, but:

Anyone got an idea, if drivers still work? I'm thinking of the drivers for e.g. the Midisport 4x4 and old stuff like that.
M-Audio has the drivers for 10.4 for Intel anyway...will those work on 10.5 too?

Did they use the same driver technology in 10.5?

I suspect based on past 10.x upgrades many drivers are going to break, especially on the Mac Pro. Under the hood, this is a significant upgrade, especially for Xeon processors. If you are smart, you will let this upgrade ride for a while. No rush to 10.5 for me, although I will be interested in all the guinea pigs who test it out.