Does Logic have anything like "Control Room" in Cubase/Nuendo?

[whereisbkp]

i really like the "control room" feature in Cubase/Nuendo.
Does Logic have anything simiiar?

basically, i want to be able to bypass my monitors whenever i'm tracking, and enable them for playback/mix.

cheers,
b

[Tibbon]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I'm sure that you could rig up something in the environment to make it happen.

[whereisbkp]

in a nutshell:
because i dont have an actual control room,
i need to mute my monitors while tracking,
and un-mute to listen back.

in Cubase you can design custom signal paths
and you have the ability to mute/un-mute any of those paths using the "control room" mixer.

[timtoonz]

SHort answer: No.

I sure wish it did. Yes, like most things in Logic you can use the environment to 'build one yourself', which is what I've been doing for years. But I've always thought the whole idea of software was to use it as a tool, not a "build your own tools!" construction kit... I want a hammer, dangit, not instructions on how to make one for myself everytime I need it...

I'm actually still getting my head around L8 after learning every nook and cranny of L7. So far I think L8 is pretty cool, with a few exceptions. But a 'control room' type feature is definitely near the top of my list for things I'd like to see in L9 (coming in 5 short years! You heard it here first!)

[Tibbon]

Hmm, interesting. I normally just use a monitor controller for something like that.

At the same time, keep in mind that depending what you're recording (seems to work ok for vocals) that even some professionals (Peter Gabriel) often record at the console with the monitors going. Not for everyone, but just a consideration.

[Pepe Ortega]

Originally Posted by whereisbkp

in a nutshell:
because i dont have an actual control room,
i need to mute my monitors while tracking,
and un-mute to listen back.

in Cubase you can design custom signal paths
and you have the ability to mute/un-mute any of those paths using the "control room" mixer.

you can lower your output fader (1-2)

[whereisbkp]

will that affect what comes thru the headphones too?

Originally Posted by Pepe Ortega

you can lower your output fader (1-2)

[F5D]

Originally Posted by whereisbkp

will that affect what comes thru the headphones too?

Well I guess that's a feature of the audio interface, not the software. It can be done in logic if you want, separate volume for headphones and monitor out. It all depends on what audio interface you have and whether it supports the feature. You just need to make 1 extra output in the environment.

[Jake Dempsey]

You could use a Mackie Big Knob for that kind of thing. How are your monitors connected to your interface? From the main 1-2 outputs?

[whereisbkp]

i usually use 1/2 outputs.
i also connect a headphone amp to 5/6

i have a fireface 800

[benirose]

I use Cubase currently, but I'm thinking of switching to Logic 8, now that it seems the learning curve isn't an overhang anymore. I also use the control room to create my custom headphone mixes and send them out on outputs 3-8 of my firepod. Can I do something similar in Logic 8?

[dirtboy]

No.

[Rufuss Sewell]

That's non-sense!!! Of course you can set up multiple headphone mixes in Logic.

Sheesh!!!

[whereisbkp]

any other suggestions for hardware like the mackie big knob?
i just need something basic and cheap.

[TTB]

get the cheapest little behringer mixer, and run your audio card to a channel and just turn down the volume when you need to record... This is what I do. Been working for years..Lol

I have a little Behringer Mixer(dont know exact model) with 1 mono channel and 2 stereo channels. My bass in the mono channel(for Jamming), My MBOX in a stereo channel & my Computer in the other stereo channel.

[whereisbkp]

Originally Posted by TTB

get the cheapest little behringer mixer, and run your audio card to a channel and just turn down the volume when you need to record... This is what I do. Been working for years..Lol

I have a little Behringer Mixer(dont know exact model) with 1 mono channel and 2 stereo channels. My bass in the mono channel(for Jamming), My MBOX in a stereo channel & my Computer in the other stereo channel.

good idea
i'll look into that.
only thing is will going thru the behringer affect the quality of the D/A on the Fireface?

[EricBradley]

Here is another good way to start!

http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=1049

[Dr.Wu]

if you have a fireface you can create 2 presets in the total mix software that can be switched with 1 mouseclick.

[tallboy79]

Originally Posted by Rufuss Sewell

That's non-sense!!! Of course you can set up multiple headphone mixes in Logic.

Sheesh!!!

send all your tracks to one bus and vocals to another and have the outputs of these going to your main out 1 and 2. Then create 2 aux's and the input of these can be from each bus (track & vocal)...the output of this goes to main ouptut 3 and 4. One can go through your headphones only and the other can easily be muted when recording (with this you can also set the monitoring levels of the track and vocal separately too)

Hope this helps..

[horseface]

Just get an Ensemble. 2 headphone outs, and a monitor out, all with independent volume controls. Lovely.

[Spectacle]

Originally Posted by horseface

Just get an Ensemble. 2 headphone outs, and a monitor out, all with independent volume controls. Lovely.

And only Two Million Dollars!

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by Spectacle

And only Two Million Dollars!

It's really a stunningly good deal once you consider the preamps.
But if you're looking cheaper, then there's always the Duet for $500.

[horseface]

You gets whats you pays for.




Besides, it's cheaper than a real control room.


And yes, the Preamps are great, considering the meager price tag.

Does the Duet offer the same output level flexibility?

*goes off to look*

Why, yes. It appears that it does. And that one is just half a million dollars....Bargain!

[Pepe Ortega]

Originally Posted by whereisbkp

will that affect what comes thru the headphones too?

Originally Posted by whereisbkp

i usually use 1/2 outputs.
i also connect a headphone amp to 5/6

i have a fireface 800

lowering 1-2 outs will not affect you your hp mix, cause as you says, you use 5-6 to mix headphone amp.

[Jake Dempsey]

Originally Posted by whereisbkp

any other suggestions for hardware like the mackie big knob?
i just need something basic and cheap.

Just unplug the monitors and plug phones into the main output. Basic and cheap as it gets. I have a fireface as well. Also, turning down the volume on the main output won't effect the volume coming out of the headphone amp.

[uncle duncan]

Originally Posted by whereisbkp

i just need something basic and cheap.

An aluminum box from Radio Shack, with a dpdt switch that cuts the signal to the monitors. I know it's a huge hassle to reach over and flip a switch, but it works for me.

[thermos]

Sm pro audio m patch 1.

Solved!

[Spectacle]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

It's really a stunningly good deal once you consider the preamps.
But if you're looking cheaper, then there's always the Duet for $500.

I totally agree. Fantastic stuff. But if all you're looking for is a way to get a "control room" feature (like our OP)..."just" getting something that costs $2,000 might not be the best approach.

[SFTPH]

Try the I/O plug on the main out. Set the output to your headphones (5/6) and leave the input blank. Bypass the plug for Mains, enable for phones. Never tried this but seems like it should work.

[andsonic]

LP8 has a "garageband" monitor fader that is seperate from the master out.