NUENDO 4 IS OUT!!!

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by SoundEng1

Hi Fredo,
Will there be a Demo to try out? Thanks!

No demo as such, because at Steinberg they believe that someone who simply downloads a demo and starts playing with it has no objective idea of what the software can do. Even worse, 9 chances to 10 that they will be lost and find it too complicated. Know that Nuendo gets *really* up to speed with all the preferences and key commands set to your likings and workflow.

On the other hand, the dealers are getting paid for offering support to the customers, and providing demo's is one of the tasks.
I don't know how it works in other parts of teh world, but where I live it is no problem to use a NFR dongle for a little while.

Fredo

[AMIEL]

hey guys! what are the most important differences between Cubase 4 and Nuendo 4????

[SoundEng1]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

hey guys! what are the most important differences between Cubase 4 and Nuendo 4????

Same Question Here, What are the differences between Nuendo 4 and Cubase 4.1?

and the question i asked earlier, is there a new sound engine in Cubase/Nuendo 4?

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by SoundEng1

and the question i asked earlier, is there a new sound engine in Cubase/Nuendo 4?

Yeah are both using the same Audio engine???

[Animus]

Originally Posted by SoundEng1

Same Question Here, What are the differences between Nuendo 4 and Cubase 4.1?

and the question i asked earlier, is there a new sound engine in Cubase/Nuendo 4?

Nuendo has "post" features (syncing, formats, etc) that Cubase doesn't. I would say the major difference now with the release of Nuendo 4 is that Cubase 4 ***won't**** have the new and improved Euphonix style automation.

Cubase4 and Nuendo4 have the same audio engine as they are based off the same SEQ4 code.

[AMIEL]

So for audio and music production you would say that the extra features and price difference is not worth it?

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by SoundEng1

What are the differences between Nuendo 4 and Cubase 4.1?

Top of head.
-Import/export protocols like /AES31/AAF/Premiere Generic EDL/Track export/import
-Advanced X-fade editor
-A lot of features for syncing external devices/recorders/video machines/9 pin
-New automation system will be Nuendo exclusive
-Film formats
-Edit mode for syncing events & fades to picture
-Track sheet
-Networking over LAN (multiple workstations can work on the same project at the same time)
-Pull options for project and/or video
-Additional Surround formats (above 5.1)
-Support for WK Audio ID controller
-Support for Euphonix System 5 MC
-Time Base Synchronizer support + the new Colin Broad Synchronizer.
-Recording up to 192k
-Lots of Alignment tools and Post functionalities line cut head, cut tail, etc ...
-And more ..

is there a new sound engine in Cubase/Nuendo 4?

No.
You can't get better than it already is. All existing DAW's have a summing engine which produces the *exact* same results, down to the LSB's. Difference is that one will have dither noise at -136 dB, while the other will have distortion at -136 dB. The only thing that eventually can be improved are the internal effects, but those have nothing to do with the sound engine.
Again, every DAW on the market has a sound engine which allows you to mix your projects at the best possible digital standards.

It becomes a different story when you push your DAW over the technical limits. (and I see people doing this all of the time these days) In this case, Nuendo stays the "most forgiving" mix engine on the market. There are about 1500 dB of headroom in a 32-bit floating mixer, if that isn't enough ....



Fredo

[ABGen]

Originally Posted by Fredo

Top of head.
-Import/export protocols like /AES31/AAF/Premiere Generic EDL/Track export/import
-Advanced X-fade editor
-A lot of features for syncing external devices/recorders/video machines/9 pin
-New automation system will be Nuendo exclusive
-Film formats
-Edit mode for syncing events & fades to picture
-Track sheet
-Networking over LAN (multiple workstations can work on the same project at the same time)
-Pull options for project and/or video
-Additional Surround formats (above 5.1)
-Support for WK Audio ID controller
-Support for Euphonix System 5 MC
-Time Base Synchronizer support + the new Colin Broad Synchronizer.
-Recording up to 192k
-Lots of Alignment tools and Post functionalities line cut head, cut tail, etc ...
-And more ..






No.
You can't get better than it already is. All existing DAW's have a summing engine which produces the *exact* same results, down to the LSB's. Difference is that one will have dither noise at -136 dB, while the other will have distortion at -136 dB. The only thing that eventually can be improved are the internal effects, but those have nothing to do with the sound engine.
Again, every DAW on the market has a sound engine which allows you to mix your projects at the best possible digital standards.

It becomes a different story when you push your DAW over the technical limits. (and I see people doing this all of the time these days) In this case, Nuendo stays the "most forgiving" mix engine on the market. There are about 1500 dB of headroom in a 32-bit floating mixer, if that isn't enough ....



Fredo

Thanks Fredo - great info - so the top of your head points are obviously things that Nuendo can do that cubase cannot. For us home project studio / small studio users that are cradle to grave musicians and do our own mixing and mastering - is there any benefit you can think of to upgrading to N4?

[Animus]

Originally Posted by ABGen

Thanks Fredo - great info - so the top of your head points are obviously things that Nuendo can do that cubase cannot. For us home project studio / small studio users that are cradle to grave musicians and do our own mixing and mastering - is there any benefit you can think of to upgrading to N4?

For mixing, it would be definitely be the new automation system that won't be in Cubase 4.

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by ABGen

For us home project studio / small studio users that are cradle to grave musicians and do our own mixing and mastering - is there any benefit you can think of to upgrading to N4?

There are some, but that is very personal.
I know people who would cash out the money for the advanced X-fade editor alone. In general, I would say no. If you don't need any of those fancy toys, then you can as well stick to Cubase.

Fredo

[indie]

Direct monitoring for Intel Mac??

[ABGen]

Originally Posted by Fredo

There are some, but that is very personal.
I know people who would cash out the money for the advanced X-fade editor alone. In general, I would say no. If you don't need any of those fancy toys, then you can as well stick to Cubase.

Fredo

Will Guitar Center have a demo of Nuendo in the Wash DC area or will I have to go to Guitar Center Pro or Washington Sound?

CHECK OUT THE VIDEO YOU GUYS - ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/Nue...4_komplett.mov

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by indie

Direct monitoring for Intel Mac??

That problem (still) has to be solved by Apple.

They don't provide the tools to make proper DM and they have dropped ASIO support, so ....

All you can so is rely on a soundcard with routing options.

Fredo

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by ABGen

Will Guitar Center have a demo of Nuendo in the Wash DC area or will I have to go to Guitar Center Pro or Washington Sound?

Sorry, can't answer that.
I have no information from (and about) distributors and resellers.

CHECK OUT THE VIDEO YOU GUYS - ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/Nue...4_komplett.mov

I second that.

Fredo

[ABGen]

its a 300MB video - so it will take a while to download - they have it streamable from the steinberg site - just go to view all videos after the intro on Steinberg Media Technologies GmbH

[AMIEL]

So I guess the extra features of Nuendo 4 are not so imporatant if you do Music Production and Mixing only.

[ABGen]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

So I guess the extra features of Nuendo 4 are not so imporatant if you do Music Production and Mixing only.

the things i got from the movie were if you want higher level automation capabilities, and for doing mixing and mastering work - and you can afford the extra $ - then Nuendo is the way to go.

I'm planning to build my next DAW in June next year around a 16 core (4 Quad core) 16GB+ ram system (whatever the best bang for the $ is with AMD or Intel at that time) and to build it with Vista 64Bit SP1 (or 2 if its out) and i'm going to seriously consider Nuendo for that system. For now I'll stay where im at, get the C4.1 update and hopefully get to see some live demos of N4 at AES or local.

-andrew

[Spyrow]

Did I understand bad or are they going to remove this from Nuendo??
This is the "Drum Editor for MIDI drum parts", isn't it?

[Animus]

Originally Posted by Spyrow

Did I understand bad or are they going to remove this from Nuendo??
This is the "Drum Editor for MIDI drum parts", isn't it?

Yeah they are removing the drum editor from Nuendo 4 and if you want to keep that feature (even though you already have it with N3) you have to upgrade to the NEK (Nuendo Expansion Kit). For new users you can decide if you want the basic Nuendo which is cheaper or the music production NEK as well. So if you wanted to crossgrade from Cubase to Nuendo you would have to get the NEK if you wanted to keep all the features you had in Cubase, which is the most expensive option. Convoluted I know.

[AMIEL]

Did I understand wrong o Nuendo 3 users have to pay additional for a feature they already have?????? mean to buy the NEK ?

if that is true is really crazy!

[Kyle_P]

The NEK is not designed to make N3 users pay "extra" or "additional". Those who use Nuendo strictly for post production do not have to pay for features they do not use. This is beneficial to the post user base most of all. Especially those with multiple copies in a facility. For the fully featured version of Nuendo (now so-called w/ NEK) the upgrade price is the same as it was from Nuendo 2 to 3.

[canopener]

Does anyone know if the score editor, in the NEK package, has been improved? I've found the N3 version to be pretty counter intuitive. That said, I haven't fully RTFM viz the score editor so my finding is NOT intended to be a rant. Just curious.

Thanks, Jim

[feck]

I understand that many people are/were confused with the NEK option and the 2 different prices for the upgrade. However, I am amazed that so many are complaining about spending $400 to upgrade to an obviously much superior program. Let's all remember that this is a PROFESSIONAL application which sells new for roughly $2000. There is a price for entry. I can't speak for everyone else, but for me this is not much money at all compared to the revenue my studio generates. If it was, then I would do either one of two things - switch to Logic/Cubase which would be more in my price range, or I would get out there and drum up some business so that I could make more money to afford what I need! Let's all remember that the people making this software are spending tons of time to develop it, and keep in perspective that what they are asking for the product probably boils down to less income per man hour for them than the average working studio generates.

[Spyrow]

Originally Posted by Kyle_P

Those who use Nuendo strictly for post production do not have to pay for features they do not use. This is beneficial to the post user base most of all.

Originally Posted by feck

Let's all remember that the people making this software are spending tons of time to develop it

To remove a feature already included is beneficial for who??
If they are spending time doing new things, then ok! charge for the new Cubase 4 VSTi plugins!! That's beneficial, maybe the average N4 do not need them (I don't) but to remove an already included BASIC feature as this, which you already paid in the N3 price (because you had it) man.. that's only commercial and absurd. IMHO of course.

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by ABGen

the things i got from the movie were if you want higher level automation capabilities, and for doing mixing and mastering work - and you can afford the extra $ - then Nuendo is the way to go.

I'm planning to build my next DAW in June next year around a 16 core (4 Quad core) 16GB+ ram system (whatever the best bang for the $ is with AMD or Intel at that time) and to build it with Vista 64Bit SP1 (or 2 if its out) and i'm going to seriously consider Nuendo for that system. For now I'll stay where im at, get the C4.1 update and hopefully get to see some live demos of N4 at AES or local.

-andrew

Wow finally its here! Took them long enough .

Im in a similar situation as you are, as I am in the process of putting together a studio C hopefully before earlier next year.

What I need to figure out is what the BEST control surface is (something like the D-Control) to take full advantage of Nuendo 4's new automation features.

Has anyone here looked into that yet by any chance?

[Animus]

Originally Posted by PettyCash

Wow finally its here! Took them long enough .

Im in a similar situation as you are, as I am in the process of putting together a studio C hopefully before earlier next year.

What I need to figure out is what the BEST control surface is (something like the D-Control) to take full advantage of Nuendo 4's new automation features.

Has anyone here looked into that yet by any chance?

I don't think the D-Control would be compatible unless you use Generic Remote protocol and that would be limiting. What you need is the Euphonix stuff, Nuendo EuCon :: Steinberg Media Technologies GmbH. Or the WK ID.

[Kyle_P]

Originally Posted by Spyrow

To remove a feature already included is beneficial for who??
If they are spending time doing new things, then ok! charge for the new Cubase 4 VSTi plugins!! That's beneficial, maybe the average N4 do not need them (I don't) but to remove an already included BASIC feature as this, which you already paid in the N3 price (because you had it) man.. that's only commercial and absurd. IMHO of course.

The feature was not removed..it is in the NEK. I understand where you are coming from though.. but I think you are focusing on the wrong idea. Think of it this way:

Imagine there was no NEK.. just full featured Nuendo 4. The upgrade would still be 399$ for you. You are not paying more for the NEK in the upgrade than you would if there was no NEK! So what is the problem? Either way you are spending the same money for the upgrade to get the same thing. You are merely complaining about the method used to get you the same product for the same price.

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

Did I understand wrong o Nuendo 3 users have to pay additional for a feature they already have?????? mean to buy the NEK ?

if that is true is really crazy!

Originally Posted by Kyle_P

The NEK is not designed to make N3 users pay "extra" or "additional". Those who use Nuendo strictly for post production do not have to pay for features they do not use. This is beneficial to the post user base most of all. Especially those with multiple copies in a facility. For the fully featured version of Nuendo (now so-called w/ NEK) the upgrade price is the same as it was from Nuendo 2 to 3.

Yes you are talking about the ones that use Nuendo it for post production...so they have to buy the Nuendo 4 with the NEK pack.
But the ones that do not need all these estra super Post Production Features should get in the Basic Nuendo 4 all the features they have in Nuendo 3 , not only some of them improved but also some new features too!!!

So the NEK should be some extra NEW Features for the post Community.



Ok this is why understand and experienced with other programs in years.

If Nuendo 3 (the basic or only one) had a feature or many ....then those features should be part of the basic Nuendo 4.....and the new features will be in the XL, Pro, Producer or in this case the NEK version.

I never saw any program were you pay more in the new version and then the company remove some of the features you already have in the previous version and make you pay another extra to have them back...that is crazy.

Is like to have crazy sex with a girl and so easy and later she makes it so difficult to give a kiss and in top of that you have to take her to very expensive places!!

Also I remember the Score Editor is one of the iconic great features of Steinberg.

Originally Posted by Kyle_P

The feature was not removed..it is in the NEK. I understand where you are coming from though.. but I think you are focusing on the wrong idea. Think of it this way:

Imagine there was no NEK.. just full featured Nuendo 4. The upgrade would still be 399$ for you. You are not paying more for the NEK in the upgrade than you would if there was no NEK! So what is the problem? Either way you are spending the same money for the upgrade to get the same thing. You are merely complaining about the method used to get you the same product for the same price.

So wait ...for Nuendo 3 to Nuendo 4 is not upgrade? so you only have to pay the NEK fee?????

So means they are not 2 upgrades to pay???

Only the NEK?
So the Basic Nuendo 4 is for new users????

Please somebody confirm this??

If is like that I think is not wrong.....you have yo pay for a new version anyway!!!

Maybe I am wrong...but this is my impression.....any other opinion from Nuendo 3 Users????????

[Kyle_P]

Ameil.. please read my post carefully. You seem to have mis interpreted it quite a bit. Sorry if I was unclear.

The NEK adds 3 things to Nuendo 4: Score, Stock Nuendo Virtual Instruments, and the midi drum editor. These are not post features. I was pointing out that if you primarily do post then you likely will NOT need to buy the NEK and can save some money. The NEK is optional ontop of the upgrade. The NEK can also be bought later for those who do not choose to buy it with the upgrade.

[Yutaka]

Originally Posted by PettyCash

Wow finally its here! Took them long enough .

Im in a similar situation as you are, as I am in the process of putting together a studio C hopefully before earlier next year.

What I need to figure out is what the BEST control surface is (something like the D-Control) to take full advantage of Nuendo 4's new automation features.

Has anyone here looked into that yet by any chance?

Have you seen the demonstration videos of MC yet...?

Euphonix - MC Intelligent Application Controller