NUENDO 4 IS OUT!!!

[richardswag]

Originally Posted by HHaynes

Yeah - but - uhhh - "64" is higher than "32" - right?

So - uhhh - 64 is better, then, right?

dfegad

Twice as good in fact.

I got Maths A-level.

I know about this stuff.

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by vaesion

whats so special about the sidechaining in version 4 vs version 3?

The sidechain signal can be send from one or multiple tracks by using a regular "send". So you can actually "merge" and "mix" a multitude of signals to be send to the sidechain input of your plugin.

Oh, and the sidechaining in N3 was virtually non-existent, except with a workaround or specific third party plugins. Now the sidechaining protocol is included in the new VST3 SDK, which means that all 3th party developers can take advantage of these new features.

Fredo

[blaugruen7]

fredo,
maybe you include your company in your signatur?
would clear up things a bit.

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by blaugruen7

fredo,
maybe you include your company in your signatur?
would clear up things a bit.

My company is Temple Of Tune in Belgium.



But I am also the Nuendo.com moderator ...
Hope this clears it up.


Fredo

[Animus]

Originally Posted by Fredo

My company is Temple Of Tune in Belgium.




Fredo

Is that in Papua New Guinea?

[ABGen]

Originally Posted by Fredo

All (major) third party VST manufactureres have been invited to betatest the VST3 SDK, just to iron out all problems. That was about 6 months ago.

I have no information when the SDK is offcially going to be released, but it was intended to do so together with the launch of N4. Which is now.

Fredo

Fredo your official Steinberg presence here is greatly appreciated.

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by Animus

Is that in Papua New Guinea?

Of course, any country outside the US is "exotic" for residents of the US.



Fredo

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by ABGen

Fredo your official Steinberg presence here is greatly appreciated.

I do not represent Steinberg in any way.
Let's say that "I'm a friend of the family" who is "tolerated".



Fredo

[shanabit]

Originally Posted by Fredo

Since there is no advantage (for Steinberg anyway) to switch to a 64-bit engine, it has been postponed. But everything is ready, they "just have to make the switch".

There is no advantage because:
1/ all critical processes are executed in double precision anyway.
2/ The advantage of double precision in the "adders" is cancelled by the reduced bit-strings in the SSE registers. While a CPU register can hold registers up to 80 bit and more, an SSE register can only hold 64 bit strings. So the precision you might gain (and since it's only adding & substracting numbers, the errors can't be cumulative) by summing in double precision for adding/summing and the likes, is lost by the rounding that takes place when the 64-bit registers are full.

HTH
Fredo

Fredo, I think my aneurysm just gave way trying to understand what you just said LOL

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by shanabit

Fredo, I think my aneurysm just gave way trying to understand what you just said LOL

What a great word: aneurysm.
I had to look that up.


I'm just saying that if an audioengine is build in a proper way, there is no advantage whatsoever in having a 64bit audioengine vs. a 32bit engine.
No matter what the competition claims.

Fredo

[GhostOfMyself]

Hey shanabit, do you really have an aneurysm?

[shanabit]

Originally Posted by Fredo

What a great word: aneurysm.
I had to look that up.


I'm just saying that if an audioengine is build in a proper way, there is no advantage whatsoever in having a 64bit audioengine vs. a 32bit engine.
No matter what the competition claims.

Fredo

Cool, N4 is looking real good BTW. Cakewalk likes to market the crap out of the 64 bit thing for sure. Great competition these days

[shanabit]

Originally Posted by GhostOfMyself

Hey shanabit, do you really have an aneurysm?

Uhh , NO

[Jidis]

Fredo,

Do you know if they made any changes to the Generic Remote code or panel in N4? The PDF section looked similar to 2&3. (no gripe... just wondering)

Also dying to hear feedback in here about the new channel EQs. Hope it's good news. That would be worth an upgrade for me.

Take Care,

George

[zvenx]

Originally Posted by Animus

Is that in Papua New Guinea?

lol.........lol.....Animus be nice........lol
I am sure the non nuendo forum members have no idea why we find this so funny.
rsp

[Matt Smith]

Woo!! Sidechaining!! Finally!!!
Even though I'd read it in the pre-release stuff on the message boards, I wasn't gonna believe it until I saw it with my own eyes...

Matt

[bobx]

i'm wondering if they'll be incorporating the side-chain and routing features into a future update for cubase 4. or are we going to have to wait for cubase 5... i'm still on SX 3.

[SoundEng1]

Was the audio engine reworked?

it seems very expensive!

[Yutaka]

Originally Posted by bobx

i'm wondering if they'll be incorporating the side-chain and routing features into a future update for cubase 4. or are we going to have to wait for cubase 5... i'm still on SX 3.

In 4.1, a few weeks away.

[AMIEL]

looks great!!!

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by Jidis

Fredo,

Do you know if they made any changes to the Generic Remote code or panel in N4? The PDF section looked similar to 2&3. (no gripe... just wondering)

Not that I know of...
I think there are some changes made to the GR panel, but I don't think there are fundamental changes.
My apologies for the unclear answer, but it's very hard to follow everything that happens on the betaforums.
There have been so many changes that it is impossible to list them all, follow them all or even to know them all.
I myself am discovering new stuff every day.
A tremendous amount of small improvements and changes have been made, and I think many users will bump into pleasant surprises.

Also dying to hear feedback in here about the new channel EQs.

In all honesty ... they are awesome.
The channel EQ is now in the league of "the very best".
Of course it's all a matter of taste ...


Fredo

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by bobx

i'm wondering if they'll be incorporating the side-chain and routing features into a future update for cubase 4.

Yes. Cubase 4.1 is expected within the next few weeks.

Fredo

[True North]

Fredo,

Couple of questions;

Is there an upgrade path for Cubase 4 users to Nuendo 4? If so can you detail costs ?

ALSO

I know that Steinberg forewarned that the multicore scaling issue would not be resolved with the release of Nuendo 4 but it memory serves I beleive they were looking to have it ready for Cubase 4.1, is this accurate (or was it for the first Nuendo update)?

Have they set any timelines on when they will get to the Multicore scaling issues ?

Thanks

[davidperetz]

To me the major bug in nuendo was you could not track multiple versions (say drums) and edit them as a group and on the same channels like you could in PT.

From the videos i see something that seem like the tab to transient tool, but I'm not sure that what it is. any in the know???

and what is the envelope shaper dynamic tool? spl transient designer in copyright disguise?

i hope they have finally add a decent (not wonderful - decent will do!!!) eq as the current eq is way below the threshold.

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by True North

Fredo,

Couple of questions;

Is there an upgrade path for Cubase 4 users to Nuendo 4? If so can you detail costs ?

There is an upgrade path, but you'll have to find out at your local dealer.
The prices can differ a lot since in some parts of the world VAT is included.
United Kingdom and Europe are already online I think, USA will follow shortly.

I know that Steinberg forewarned that the multicore scaling issue would not be resolved with the release of Nuendo 4 but it memory serves I beleive they were looking to have it ready for Cubase 4.1, is this accurate (or was it for the first Nuendo update)?

Cubase 4.1 is the "downstriped" version of Nuendo 4 (which actually is N4.1), and will be released within a few weeks.

All multicore issues should be (as much as possibly can) resolved, with the exception of the x-scaling bug as we call it.
That is a problem caused by MP, but actually is an ASIO problem.
That will be resolved in the first maintenance update, which will follow pretty soon after the release of N4.
You will only bump into the x-scaling bug when you need a lot of inputs/outputs in combination with very low latencies.
In "normal" (what is normal?) use, this issue will be unnoticed for the user.
Of course, if you have a Dubbing Stage where you need 128 outputs to feed your console ....

Fredo

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by davidperetz

To me the major bug in nuendo was you could not track multiple versions (say drums) and edit them as a group and on the same channels like you could in PT.

Doesn't "lanes" work for you?

From the videos i see something that seem like the tab to transient tool, but I'm not sure that what it is. any in the know???

I think that is hitpoint detection or Time Warp or something else

i hope they have finally add a decent (not wonderful - decent will do!!!) eq as the current eq is way below the threshold.

I do agree with you, although there are different opinions about that. If you use it in moderation, it's actually pretty good.
As an example, Elliot Sheiner is a big fan of the "old" Nuendo EQ. Much of the Surround Stuff that he is producing in his home studio is done only with that EQ.
As a matter of fact, that's why we kept the preference "use N3 EQ as default". We do not want to disappoint the Steely Dan fans.



Fredo

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by Fredo

As an example, Elliot Sheiner is a big fan of the "old" Nuendo EQ. Much of the Surround Stuff that he is producing in his home studio is done only with that EQ.
As a matter of fact, that's why we kept the preference "use N3 EQ as default". We do not want to disappoint the Steely Dan fans.



Fredo

I agree. the old nuendo EQ is good as long as you only use it for "dips"

btw. the new Nuendo 4 rocks.. who is logic? *non-mac-user talking*

[andrewj]

Originally Posted by ABGen

not sure there is a upgrade from CSX3 or C4 to Nuendo - they offer a cross path from Nuendo 3 to Cubase 4

Availability

Steinberg will begin to ship Nuendo 4 internationally in early October. Please contact your prefered Nuendo dealer for local availability and pricing.

Pricing

EUR SRP (incl. 19% VAT) Nuendo 4 EUR 1799 Nuendo Expansion Kit EUR 299 Update from Nuendo 3 EUR 249 Update from Nuendo 3 incl. NEK EUR 399 Update from Nuendo 2 EUR 449 Update from Nuendo 2 incl. NEK EUR 599
Recommended retail pricing will vary from country to country. Please contact your prefered Nuendo dealer to confirm local pricing and availability.

1800 EUR? ........ uh where am i? sorry i was unconscious for 90 minutes! much too expensive as always! even cubase is a bit too expensive righnow, but nuendo is unbelievable expensive.

amazing features? yes! worthy to pay 1800 EUR? not for me!

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by andrewj

amazing features? yes! worthy to pay 1800 EUR? not for me!

There you said it.
Steinberg doesn't try to make a DAW that everybody will buy.
They only try to make a DAW which allows people to work faster and better than with any other DAW in the world.
Just like you think that N4 isn't worth 1800€, some other people think that this is damn cheap for what you get. Obviously you don't need many of the features that are in Nuendo, so it's a matter of being overfeatured and thereby overpriced for your needs.


Best regards
Fredo

[SoundEng1]

Hi Fredo,
Will there be a Demo to try out? Thanks!