What Can You Do In Logic Pro 8 That You Can't Do In Pro Tools, & Visa-Versa?

[Rob G]

What Can You Do In Logic Pro 8 That You Can't Do In Pro Tools, & Visa-Versa?

Rob G..

[Silver Sonya]

There probably aren't a whole lot of things you can't do with either.

There are probably things that are easier to do with one vs. the other.

In 2007, nothing is impossible. No matter what tools you are using.

(Why this fact hasn't yielded better music is the paradox of our age.... and also beyond the scope of this thread.)

-- c

[gsilbers]

cant import session data in logic.


logic does lots of midi stuff pro tools cant. but with all fairness the stuff u cant do in PT is
very deep midi stuff u problably wont use.

cant do customizable keycomands in PT but can in logic (thats a pro and con at the same time!)

[b_stone]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

There probably aren't a whole lot of things you can't do with either.

There are probably things that are easier to do with one vs. the other.

In 2007, nothing is impossible. No matter what tools you are using.

(Why this fact hasn't yielded better music is the paradox of our age.... and also beyond the scope of this thread.)

-- c

Logic delivers:
Quick Swipe Comping
Interleved Stereo file playback
Advanced MIDI editing
Apple Loops (or any kind of time-stretched, key-matched, loop composition)
Over 100 instruments and effects plug-ins
Support for Audio Units
Works with any I/O (more i/o options when using Logic)
No artificial limits on track count
Multi-mono surround plug-in support (not 100% sure of this, but..)
Channel Strip Settings (instantly recall plug-ins, settings for a channel strip)
Studio Sound Library (18,000+ loops, 1300 sampled instruments, thousands of channel strip settings)
MainStage live performance application
WaveBurner (or any redbook CD Mastering app)
Dolby Digital Decoding and Encoding (surround feature is over $1000 to add to PT)
Score (notation) viewing, editing and printing
No hardware copy protection
distributed audio processing
freeze tracks
single view mixer view
dual channel strips (or even 1 channel strip)
32bit audio engine (vs 24bit fixed)

the list seems to be getting long.. as I'm not as tuned into ProTool's feature set, someone might call bullshit on a couple of these, but the list just goes on and on..

This new automatic creation of auxes and batch channel strip creation with input monitoring and record enable seems like a unique Logic workflow.

Anyhow, Logic Studio is $499

[Rufuss Sewell]

Batch fades in Logic allow you to set a different value for fade-ins and fade-outs.

Batch fades in Pro Tools forces you to use the same value for both fade-ins and fade-outs.

That's a show stopper for me since I strip silence ll of my drum tracks and give then very short fade-ins and relatively long fade-outs. Impossible in Pro Tools without doing each hit one at a time.

[Rufuss Sewell]

In Pro Tools you can press one button and the SPL will skip from one transient to the next.

Still not happening in Logic.

[Ianb007]

Originally Posted by Rufuss Sewell

In Pro Tools you can press one button and the SPL will skip from one transient to the next.

Still not happening in Logic.

Yes you can. You can go to the next and the previous transient on both the front and back end of a selected piece of audio. just saw it tonight at the Apogee party in LA.

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by Rob G

What Can You Do In Logic Pro 8 That You Can't Do In Pro Tools, & Visa-Versa?

PTLE or PTHD?

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by Rufuss Sewell

In Pro Tools you can press one button and the SPL will skip from one transient to the next.

Still not happening in Logic.

If you hold down the marquee tool over the region it becomes a solid white line. You can then use the arrow keys to jump forwards and backwards between transients. Hold down the shift key when using the forward arrow key to keep from selecting the area between transients.

[jacko]

Originally Posted by gsilbers

cant do customizable keycomands in PT but can in logic (thats a pro and con at the same time!)

That's the main problem. Since I started working in Pro Tools, I became incredibly quick in recording/editing/comping and routing audio in PT. Mainly thanks to key commands. And wherever I go, if the studio is equipped with PT, I can start using "my" key commands straight away. Set of keys ';lp is brilliant, and I am still not sure if Logic's Marquee Tool is as good as Selector Tool in Pro Tools. And there is no Tab-To-Transient, because Snap-To-Transient does not have the same functionality.

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by Ianb007

Yes you can. You can go to the next and the previous transient on both the front and back end of a selected piece of audio. just saw it tonight at the Apogee party in LA.

Yep. I was there too. Works like a charm.

[Matthew Murray]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

In 2007, nothing is impossible. No matter what tools you are using.

(Why this fact hasn't yielded better music is the paradox of our age.... and also beyond the scope of this thread.)

-- c

In my opinion, that IS one of the big reasons that the quality of music has gone downhill. We used to have limits. Limits feed creativity. Now most of the industry gets so caught up with all of the complex bells and whistles that we forget to just *capture*.

[nikki-k]

Originally Posted by gsilbers

cant import session data in logic.


logic does lots of midi stuff pro tools cant. but with all fairness the stuff u cant do in PT is
very deep midi stuff u problably wont use.

cant do customizable keycomands in PT but can in logic (thats a pro and con at the same time!)

Sorry to pick, but...

Import Session Data is a huge one for me in PT. So much so that I despise using LE with DV Toolkit 2 to have th efull feature set operating.However, in Logic, it is a different approach. You can have multiple songs open, and simply copy and paste between songs. You also have channel strip presets, projects prefs, etc. PT actually falls short in comparison in certain ways; for instance, you cannot import user prefs via IMport Session Data, nor thru any other utility within PT, but you can do this in Logic. Logic requires a bit of adjustment, and can seem "bulky" at times to accomplish the same task(s) IMO. But, it can do it. The trade-off is that you can import more things.

As a composer, one might think I want or feel I need these "deep MIDI" features. In fact, much like other features, there are few I need or would like to have. PT falls glaringly short in many areas here. Want to work on a CC and be able to move notes without having to flip between views? Oh, sorry, cannot. Cubase (and Reaper?) are great for this, and exceed Logic IMO. Logic has a single CC lane, hyper draw. Cubase allows as manty as you want, and Reaper on XP? Maybe? PT allows a choice: notes, or a single CC. Period. If/when they add a dedicated MIDI editor window (if they dont, they will lose customers I htink; time has come!)

Also cool in Logic, and I believe Sonar (with a 3rd party plug-in) is th eonly other capable fo this: highlight a MIDI region, and then...tada! Export that region as a .mid file. So what? Well, some of us come up with little bits, say a nice drum roll, fill etc that we might want to have available in ANY MIDI app. Being able to do this in Logic is very sweet. Oh- yeah, I guess this is a bit deeper, and not one of those essentials. But, even so, PT walks a very fine line of what many composers want/need in MIDI basics. Advanced, deeper MIDI capabilities are nice, but not in the "required feature" list for many of us.

Shortcuts: Once again, Cubase. And Reaper on XP. Like having user assignable key command sets, as Logic has and PT does not, but also like having Quickeys built-in! Doing tedious batch work? I have had MIDI drum work that required certain tasks to be repeated over and over and over... Quickeys can make life MUCH easier. But, having it built into the app like Cubase and Reaper?

I have this bad feeling I will find that short list of features I really, really want spread across all the major DAWs, but never all in one. I hope, but do not place any confidence in it happening in my lifetime...

[dlmorley]

Originally Posted by jacko

That's the main problem. Since I started working in Pro Tools, I became incredibly quick in recording/editing/comping and routing audio in PT. Mainly thanks to key commands. And wherever I go, if the studio is equipped with PT, I can start using "my" key commands straight away.

You can store your logic key setup on your .Mac account and have access to them anywhere (IIRC)

[UnMix Studio]

Logic sends has no panning, direct mute and solo on the track you assign it to.


THATS SUCKS.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Rob G]

Interesting so far.

Rob G..

[Confusionator]

I thought Beat Detective was really PT's greatest unique selling point these days. Can Logic really match it?

[mixerguy]

ProTools has region grouping.... I belive that Logic does not....

[nikki-k]

Originally Posted by mixerguy

ProTools has region grouping.... I belive that Logic does not....

Similar: Region Folders.
I actually prefer this, as it is a little mroe flexable. You select your regions and pack them. Now you have a Folder track, and if you open a second arrange window, link it, and then select the folde ron the first arrange, the seond will show the contents of the Folder. Basically, the contents of that folder will be the tracks the regions were on, and the regions selected and packed. A bit to explain fully in small space. It is a great example of how Logic was written with an "Object Oriented" mindset.

It also allows you the flexability to pack a verse; a chorus; etc. Or, pack drums; horn section; vocals + backings. Or, pack drums->verse, drums->chorus, then pack those within a full->verse, full->chorus, etc. Even further, you could then pack those into one big "song" folder. Why? Try different versions of your song. Simply have the alternate folders of the song at the top level, and mute all but one. Song plays. Mute it, unmute next, compare. Or, save and then have alternate versions sitting there whenever you want.

Like many things, and with L8 even more so, Logic can be very superficial with a feature, or very deep.

PT does have a leg up in how it treats region groups in the region bin. Logic does not have an equiv I know of.

[Blindside]

I can't use my Massey Plug ins in Logic. That's the only reason I haven't bought it yet. It may sound like a stupid reason, but I assure you it's not.

[Rob G]

Blindside,

Why? Because Massey plugins are only TDM, or RTAS? Are you working with Pro Tools|HD, or LE interfaces. If LE then I can see why you're stuck. If PTHD then things should work as long as you're not running an Intel processor Mac. More details?

Rob G..

[treeg]

Logic 8 hasn't arrived yet, so please make corrections in the folowing is incorrect, but:

Logic can't use RTAS plugins.
Because logic can't use RTAS plugins, in TDM mode most VI's (except virus and 1 or 2 available TDM VI's)will have to come through the ESB- which will only allow 8 seperate streams of VI's to then be routed to TDM plugins. This is rather limiting in a large VI session as, among otherthings and the combersomeness of a dictated submix structure, TDMs plugs would only be available on audio tracks and 8 Vi streams. With multitrack drums, orchestra etc. on VI's it would be limited as to how many Masey, MDW, and certain other Soundtoys and other TDM only plugins could be used.

Also, does anybody know how using the ESB bridge in TDM mode affects the audio?
1 degradation by being summed twice (float and then 48bit fixed in the TDM mixer = worst of both worlds?)
2. Latency through the ESB bridge vs routed straight to TDM mixer.
3. Does the EXS24 sampler have 24 additional streams that can be routed individualy to TDM plugins, independent of the ESB bridge? (this conceivably could be used for much of the VI load)

Apoligies for any lack of understanding in the above.

Thanks

[treeg]

Oh, and does Logic allow 1 click insertion of a hardware insert like PT?

With PT HD one could have a 48+ track tracking session monitoring with TDM plugins on every track, seperate reverbs and delays for each of 5 or more different headphone mixes, and have little more than just A/d D/a conversion latency. One won't have to hesitate adding TDM plugins out of concern they might bog the computer down (presuming lots of HD cards).

[wildpark]

rob g

there are 2 ways

he used a unofficial version of fxpansion wrapper

conversion of tdm too au

or too much party e

[rectifier]

You can't use the fantastic ilok system with logic..

[macleodgrant]

Originally Posted by rectifier

You can't use the fantastic ilok system with logic..

what do you mean? ilok works perfectly with logic

[rectifier]

ah ok. I take it back then.

[Jazzpunk]

When importng an OMF all stereo files come in on separate adjacent mono tracks. In post the first thing you have to do when track managing is drag each of these stereo pairs on to a stereo track (FX tracks, Music tracks, etc.).

In Pro Tools one simply grabs the stereo pair and drags them from the mono tracks on to a stereo track. This does not seem to be possible in Logic (or Soundtrack Pro!). Imagine importing an OMF with hundreds of audio regions that need to be managed and you'll understand why this is so important.

This is a major deal breaker for post work as having the ability to quickly track manage a session for edit and mix is vital to meeting deadlines.

(If Logic has this ability and I am just not aware of it PLEASE let me know!)

[Volodia]

In PT you can :

Create playlist if you want it (ie not at every take )

you can duplicate them .

You can increment inputs or outputs ( not at the creation of the track )

you can do a lot of functions with shift-alt (apply to selected).

How do you swipe comp a drum kit ?

When in quick punch PT records as soon as you hit play and until you stop (very handy

to modify dropins or keep that take you were not supposed to keep) .

Beat detective of course

Logic has the best forkflow for midi but PT is still ahead in multitrack recording and editing .

We can use both and that's great .

I think most PT HD owners have or will have Logic studio .

[Rob G]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But, there are still some 'high-end' plugins from manufacturers that are available in Pro Tools|HD TDM format that are not available for Logic Pro 8:

GML-MDW EQ
Eventide-The Whole Anthology II Bundle
Drawmer-Dynamics
Sound Toys(previously Wave Mechanics)-Soundblender

, and etc..


Rob G..