LOGIC 8 HERE IT IS!!!!

[dsound]

Originally Posted by H-Rezz

Digi's only route as far as i can can see , is to create a PCIe card that takes care of latency for I/O's , so you can use them for your Digi or other interfaces and get rid of their accel card architecture and go native for plug's, keep their RTAS format .... this way existing users still get what they like about P.Tools but have alot more power to work with .

This is a win situation for them and their client base , and i'm sure their users would love to pay half price for the plug's instead of double to everybody else for the same plugs ..

The system could go for $1500, for the DAW and card with 16in and outs , then you have a choice to buy a Digi interface or a third party interface by Lynx or Apogee or whaterever company decides to make a compatible connector ...

and throw in NI Komplete with every purchase thumbsup

[H-Rezz]

Originally Posted by dsound

and throw in NI Komplete with every purchase thumbsup

Well to compete with Logic8 they would have throw in a lot more than that , starting with not charging for every little post tool people need , a convolution Reverb, Softsampler etc etc etc etc etc

But it's a good start to stay competative

[Ianb007]

Originally Posted by H-Rezz

Digi's only route as far as i can can see , is to create a PCIe card that takes care of latency for I/O's , so you can use them for your Digi or other interfaces and get rid of their accel card architecture and go native for plug's, keep their RTAS format .... this way existing users still get what they like about P.Tools but have alot more power to work with .

This is a win situation for them and their client base , and i'm sure their users would love to pay half price for the plug's instead of double to everybody else for the same plugs ..

The system could go for $1500, for the DAW and card with 16in and outs , then you have a choice to buy a Digi interface or a third party interface by Lynx or Apogee or whaterever company decides to make a compatible connector ...

Exactly! Although they would probably keep their system proprietary and bundle their interfaces with it.

[Aearth]

Just installed Logic Studio........not so hard to run as I thought, sure alot in it, above all value for money. I'm strictly using it as a song writing tool.


nIC

[T_R_S]

Originally Posted by Ianb007

Exactly! Although they would probably keep their system proprietary and bundle their interfaces with it.

Digidesign is a hardware based company they are no more proprietary than Apple is.
There are plenty of 3rd party options, lots of companies make I/O, Plug-ins, Control surfaces.
You can even use Digital Performer or Logic as a front end for the hardware.
Probably the sucess is due to the 3rd party options and that is expandable from a small scale to large scale.
Protools is built to use Digidesign hardware much in the the same way Apple is builts OS X to run on Apple hardware.
Having a OS built to use specific hardware has advantages and disadvantages the big advantage is stabilty the company does not have to built patches and firmware updates etc. just to keep things going. I am sure XP and Vista users can share experiences with software driver conflicts.
In my studio I can have hundreds of dollars an hour (counting players producers and studio fees) riding on a stable system that has proven itself.
I don't want to take chances with any hardware/software issues.
Why do you think Venues are even sold with a computer? The only thing 3rd party in a Venue is a Plug-in.
One could argue because Logic is only on a Mac it's a closed proprietary system as well.

[Ianb007]

Originally Posted by T_R_S

Digidesign is a hardware based company they are no more proprietary than Apple is.
There are plenty of 3rd party options, lots of companies make I/O, Plug-ins, Control surfaces.
You can even use Digital Performer or Logic as a front end for the hardware.
Probably the sucess is due to the 3rd party options and that is expandable from a small scale to large scale.
Protools is built to use Digidesign hardware much in the the same way Apple is builts OS X to run on Apple hardware.
Having a OS built to use specific hardware has advantages and disadvantages the big advantage is stabilty the company does not have to built patches and firmware updates etc. just to keep things going. I am sure XP and Vista users can share experiences with software driver conflicts.
In my studio I can have hundreds of dollars an hour (counting players producers and studio fees) riding on a stable system that has proven itself.
I don't want to take chances with any hardware/software issues.
Why do you think Venues are even sold with a computer? The only thing 3rd party in a Venue is a Plug-in.
One could argue because Logic is only on a Mac it's a closed proprietary system as well.

Yoou totaly missing my point. That statement isn't meant to be a knock on Digi. it is good business sense to keep it closed and proprietary. I was sinply responding to the post I quoted in which the poster said that digi could make a pci I/O card and have it work with interfaces from different companies. That simply isn't going to happen IMO

[T_R_S]

Originally Posted by Ianb007

I was sinply responding to the post I quoted in which the poster said that digi could make a pci I/O card and have it work with interfaces from different companies. That simply isn't going to happen IMO

Mytek, Prism, Lynx and Apogee all make interfaces that work with HD,
direct connect no Digi interface required.
There are numerous M Audio Intefaces the work with Protools M Powered.
You can also connect any covertoor you want to for 002/003 and Mboxes.

Digidesign is a 'HARDWARE COMPANY' there is no real profit in software based DAW's.
Both Apple and Digidesign heavily subsidize software devlopment with hardware sales.
Want Proof?
Look the Price of Emagic Logic and Emagic Plug-ins before Apple took over
Look at the cost of Nuendo and Cubase compared to the cost of Logic now.

[gussyg2007]

ok 3rd day on lp8 lots of have changes some good some bad,had a client in today thought it would be a good idea to try it out and see how it behaves (bearing in mind i have lp7 down like a mo fo) i've gotta say i found it difficult to attain the the same speed of work flow as i did on lp7 lots of really annoying changes, the main ones were zoom on ctrl key that one really slowed me down ,having to do it on 8 was a ball ache , didn't realize just how much i used that function till it's gone. another was the star key to record with only works once when you hit it again nothing happens (couldn't find anything in key commands to sort it out)thought midi would be easier but it wasn't ,gave me a load of bs trying to plug in a client's jv1080 a blipping noise appeared only 1 note mind couldn't get rid of it got so frustrated endidng going back up to lp7 on the positive side latency seems a lot better !!! was able to record some guitar at 526 with the low latency ticked in really does work was able to have all my plugins on insert a load of plugins on my live track and play almost in real time !!!!!fuuck result !!!!no more rebooting in 64 to lay i track down GREAT !!!
love the new swiping to comp ,really cool that one no probs there !over all bit of a L C but sure it won't be long before i'm up to speed

[Ianb007]

Originally Posted by T_R_S

Mytek, Prism, Lynx and Apogee all make interfaces that work with HD,
direct connect no Digi interface required.
There are numerous M Audio Intefaces the work with Protools M Powered.
You can also connect any covertoor you want to for 002/003 and Mboxes.

Digidesign is a 'HARDWARE COMPANY' there is no real profit in software based DAW's.
Both Apple and Digidesign heavily subsidize software devlopment with hardware sales.
Want Proof?
Look the Price of Emagic Logic and Emagic Plug-ins before Apple took over
Look at the cost of Nuendo and Cubase compared to the cost of Logic now.

Yes they all do AND they all had to reverse engineer the connector and interface. Apogge I have direct knowledge of this fact. When Digi swithced to HD they did not give out the specs to any 3rd party interface manufacturers. Perhaps they have changed their policy recently, I don't know.

I am well aware that Digi is a hardware company and I'm also well aware that there is less profit in software DAW's. That's why you can't run Protools without buying Digi hardware.

[noiseflaw]

Logic 8 here it is!

Forgive me for gushing, but I received my Logic Studio 8 upgrade today. The weight of the box is ridiculous and the sleek, thick black box inside with the the silver Apple logo is gorgeous, yes (serious box porn, collectors item!) .

Oh yeah.

[Rush909]

why oh why can't logic fix up their audio editing far enough that I can jump back into it exclusively!!! even though this upgrade was a no brainer for 199... you still can't preview an audio selection or region without having to SOLO the track first!!!! how simple is that to do... there is even a "play selection" key command but it still plays the entire sequence unless you solo the track.

am I missing something? there has to be a way to play a section of audio in a track without having to solo everything?

besides that this update is extreemly sweet!!!

[H-Rezz]

What's wrong with highlite 'S' ?

What's wrong with auditioning in sample window ?

This is the reason you cann't use Logc8 as you sole DAW ? Oh brother

[Lagerfeldt]

Originally Posted by Rush909

why oh why can't logic fix up their audio editing far enough that I can jump back into it exclusively!!! even though this upgrade was a no brainer for 199... you still can't preview an audio selection or region without having to SOLO the track first!!!! how simple is that to do... there is even a "play selection" key command but it still plays the entire sequence unless you solo the track.

am I missing something? there has to be a way to play a section of audio in a track without having to solo everything?

besides that this update is extreemly sweet!!!

You don't have to solo the track first.

You can playback a selection in the sample window using the preview button.

Or you could simply use the solo mode keycommand and playback from selection. This takes a mere 2 key presses all in all.

[Rush909]

thanks for the reply... but it's not as simple as that... it's actually 3 commands for one simple task...

1. press solo button key command
2. press "play from selection" key command
3. then press stop (other wise the sequence keeps running)

and that only works if it is a region, and will not work if you are trying to listen to a section of the audio region..

on the other hand, the "play/step selection" key command is great as it only plays what I highlight marquee tool BUT that requires the track to be soloed!!!

so it's still very fiddly for a very simply task.

do you have another way that you use to quickly preview a small section of audio in a long track then be able to make that section a new region (as you can do if you had selected it with the marquee and then clicked on it?)

thanks...

Originally Posted by Lagerfeldt

You don't have to solo the track first.

You can playback a selection in the sample window using the preview button.

Or you could simply use the solo mode keycommand and playback from selection. This takes a mere 2 key presses all in all.

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by Rush909

thanks for the reply... but it's not as simple as that... it's actually 3 commands for one simple task...

1. press solo button key command
2. press "play from selection" key command
3. then press stop (other wise the sequence keeps running)

If you suggest a simple key command for playing selection once, soloed, and then stop - in Arrange - you have my full support! I'm surprised it's not there as well.

[dlmorley]

Installed L8 this afternoon.
No issues installing.
I think it's brilliant. Seems VERY efficient on my Intel iMac. I like it a lot.
I MUCH prefer the new layout and main page
thumbsup

[7161]

omg!... just got back from trying it.. i'm sold. back uptown tomorrow to buy a mac pro and 30" screen setup!

absolutely gobsmacking stuff!

[Blatboy]

damned apple marketing is working on me.

I do love the new layout too.

BUT IT MAKES ME WANT A 30" DISPLAY!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

[duckoff]

Am Loving it ....except.... I'm having serious responsiveness issues when running a heavy mix ( @ 90% power ) it gets really gloopy & sluggish ( the same mix is fine on LP7 )

I'm on a dual 2.5 PPC - anyone else noticing this problem ?

PS. FYI

''''lots of really annoying changes, the main ones were zoom on ctrl key that one really slowed me down ,having to do it on 8 was a ball ache ''''''''

Not sure if you realised .... the zoom command is now 'ctrl+alt' instead of just 'ctrl'

[gussyg2007]

Originally Posted by duckoff

Am Loving it ....except.... I'm having serious responsiveness issues when running a heavy mix ( @ 90% power ) it gets really gloopy & sluggish ( the same mix is fine on LP7 )

I'm on a dual 2.5 PPC - anyone else noticing this problem ?

PS. FYI

Not sure if you realised .... the zoom command is now 'ctrl+alt' instead of just 'ctrl'

thx 4 that being lazy read the help and got it , yep heavy mixes are a bit sluggish on ppc machines talked to a beta tester and he said its gonna really fly on an intel with leopard looks like that inevitable upgrade is only round the corner and damm yes a 30'' screen as well

[BuzzaB]

Oh I See!
so its got the a single window UI like Ableton, Traktion, Reaper...

track Templates and internal library access like cubase' , protools...

Take Comping like cubase/nuendo...

Arrange window sample accurate wave editing like Cubase, Protool, DP, Sonar,...

True Surround and multi channel plugins.........

Hurray, Logic Users rejoice!,
you can enjoy features that made any other DAW so easy to use for the last 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!

This ain't killin anythin, they've just fixed it.

[gussyg2007]

Originally Posted by BuzzaB

Oh I See!
so its got the a single window UI like Ableton, Traktion, Reaper...

track Templates and internal library access like cubase' , protools...

Take Comping like cubase/nuendo...

Arrange window sample accurate wave editing like Cubase, Protool, DP, Sonar,...

True Surround and multi channel plugins.........

Hurray, Logic Users rejoice!,
you can enjoy features that made any other DAW so easy to use for the last 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!

This ain't killin anythin, they've just fixed it.

you must have a pc i reckon

[dlmorley]

Originally Posted by BuzzaB

Oh I See!
so its got the a single window UI like Ableton, Traktion, Reaper...

track Templates and internal library access like cubase' , protools...

Take Comping like cubase/nuendo...

Arrange window sample accurate wave editing like Cubase, Protool, DP, Sonar,...

True Surround and multi channel plugins.........

Hurray, Logic Users rejoice!,
you can enjoy features that made any other DAW so easy to use for the last 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!

This ain't killin anythin, they've just fixed it.

Exactly. Bravo for working this out.
Thing is, it's all in one package that works extremely well in my case and the price is highly attractive.
In any case, I'm sure you are happy with whatever you are using and have no need for Logic, but your insight is very useful and informative and obviously from someone who has actually used Logic 8 thumbsup

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by BuzzaB

Oh I See!
so its got the a single window UI like Ableton, Traktion, Reaper...

track Templates and internal library access like cubase' , protools...

Take Comping like cubase/nuendo...

Arrange window sample accurate wave editing like Cubase, Protool, DP, Sonar,...

True Surround and multi channel plugins.........

Hurray, Logic Users rejoice!,
you can enjoy features that made any other DAW so easy to use for the last 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!

This ain't killin anythin, they've just fixed it.

Plus a whole shed load of very good Virtual Instruments, and built in 'on the money' integration for Apogee hardware - hey and all for $499.

This is just the beginning...

[quincyg]

fedex just delivered my copy

this might be the end of all my logic bashing. i think apple may have really done this one right...the jury is still out.

anyone try comping drums in 8 yet? multi tracking and grouping are going to be the deciding factors for me as to whether or not I switch back to logic.

[7161]

nah Buzza, this is nothing like SONAR (with the caveat that the last sonar I tried was producer 6 demo a few month back).. i was very impressed with the new SONAR indeed, it's great! but for example, while sonar has made adding an instrument easier, and it opens the two tracks required together, one for midi and one for the actual instrument automation control, in the new logic it's still all-in-one as before since way back.. one track for both midi and the control stuff... that is easier, less vertical track clutter for one thing on the arrange-page

now add the new left and right columns in Logic 8.. so, you select an instrument track, say an exs sampler

the channel strip appears on the left column complete with any asssigned bus so all tweaking of send and return can happen witout leaving work space, if you add a send where none exists, the return channel appears automaticaly too - also the right column then displays a folder view sound brower.. no need to even touch the EXS sampler gui or open it even, just select the track, scroll thru the sound folders on the right column, choose a 'Pizz Chellos' or 'upright bass' or whatever, there is like a 1 second loading glitch and it's ready to play.. same with the synths, select the track, browse the sounds, hear them play as selected without a glitch cos no samples to load of course, setting up sounds/tracks is just so damned easy.

Logic 8 is ultra fast working from what i can see, even faster than it always was before this version. I'll be honest, id dunnpo what cubase 4 has done with their implementation of instrument tracks, but it always used to annoy me that you had to open a midi track, then open an instrument, then assign the midi track output to the instrument, then use the instrument interface in a window to browse sounds, then go to the mixer to adjust returns, etc etc.. hopeful that is severly streamlined

Also the included Logic 8 content for the measly price is frankly ludicrous. I thought i'd need to get intel mac versions of my NI battery and Kontakt.. no way!!, the sampler content included covers everything usual you might need for orchestral score work or contemporary work (1300 sampled instruments is alot and the quality is superb!).

The drumbox kicks the proverbial ass, and sounds fantastic and comes with tons of great drum kits... so no need for kontakt or battery, but I will want to upgrade my Absynth, FM8 etc

anyways.. logic 8 and a quad 3ghz mac pro with 30" cinema display is the same price as one would typicaly pay for a pro sampler back in 1997.. and no-one baulked at paying 3.5k for a sampler. This package when looked at like that is simply too good NOT to get the full monty for. Adding that cinema display just takes it into a whole other world.. It's f*ckin star treck stuff... the work areas is simply enormous and the quality of the display is breathtakingly good. It has to be done it really does.

anyways, i got a loan on the whole package for 27 quid a week over 3 years with easy option to pay off bigger lumps as and when they come in with work... it's peanuts money, 7 packs of fags or a few pints in the pub per week

tbh just the bloody reverb in it is worth 3.5k to my ears (opens as a 5:1 surround verb if required, same with the delay designer); plus with so much free content i can now sell a shedload of pc audio bits, s/w, screens, audio interfaces etc to raise some extra cash for an apogee i/o and a surround speaker system.

the only downside i can see is i have to wait to get the quad 3ghz cos it's 'to order' only, not in stock.. damn!!



I have a question too for anyone who already bought it.. whats the deal with installing it on your desktop and also on your lappy? is it possible? cos that'd be sweet!

[Volodia]

Originally Posted by 7161

T
anyways.. logic 8 and a quad 3ghz mac pro with 30" cinema display is the same price as one would typicaly pay for a pro sampler back in 1997.. and no-one baulked at paying 3.5k for a sampler.

I'd like to know where you go shopping to get a 3ghz Quad core and a 30" display and LP8 for 3,5k . To me it's more 6kish ( you cannot go with 1G° memory . 4G° is needed ) .

[JPZ]

Originally Posted by BuzzaB

Oh I See!
so its got the a single window UI like Ableton, Traktion, Reaper...

track Templates and internal library access like cubase' , protools...

Take Comping like cubase/nuendo...

Arrange window sample accurate wave editing like Cubase, Protool, DP, Sonar,...

True Surround and multi channel plugins.........

Hurray, Logic Users rejoice!,
you can enjoy features that made any other DAW so easy to use for the last 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!

This ain't killin anythin, they've just fixed it.

Brilliant sarcasm. Except that Logic is built by Apple to run on their own computers, is tightly integrated with Apogee, comes with a ton of great plugs and VI's and uses native AU plugs which are half the price of their TDM counterparts. All at a price of 499 U.S. clams. In ten years after a generation of youngsters grow up using this software, Cubase, Sonar (the worst audio software I've ever used), Nuendo, DP et al will be long gone. It is without a doubt a killer.

[Spectacle]

Originally Posted by Volodia

I'd like to know where you go shopping to get a 3ghz Quad core and a 30" display and LP8 for 3,5k . To me it's more 6kish ( you cannot go with 1G° memory . 4G° is needed ) .

Judging from his "fags" and "pub" points, I'd say he's British, and hence we're talking about pounds here, not dollars or euros.

Ah yes, he even says "quid" at one point.

[Volodia]

Originally Posted by Spectacle

Judging from his "fags" and "pub" points, I'd say he's British, and hence we're talking about pounds here, not dollars or euros.

Ah yes, he even says "quid" at one point.

oops I did it again ! didn't notice .