Apple is slowly making Garageband Better than Logic Pro. Screw you, Mr. Jobs.

[Matthew Murray]

Well folks, I'm selling my copy of Logic Pro 7 and replacing it with the new version of Garageband. It seems to be the only app Apple cares to update.

Okay, so I *might* be kidding around, but seriously, when I saw the new version of Garageband they released today, I couldn't believe the new feature they were touting: "Multi-take Recording".

Apple - iLife - GarageBand

This slays me. Garageband now executes and organizes multiple takes FAR better than Logic. In fact, Logic doesn't even really call it "multiple take recording" .. it's more like .. here, we'll record a million tracks in a row if you like, and they'll all just be sitting there, making your workflow nasty.

And that's not to mention the lack of outboard integration in Logic, and all of the various bug fun.

Cubase 4 is looking better and better these days.............

[max cooper]

I know what you mean. I'm ditching Pro Tools for Sheep Beats.

http://eecs.harvard.edu/~nesson/sequencer.html

[over-man]

Ha, thats hilarious Max. Happy with LP7 here! I seem to manage multiple takes just fine. It could be better, but I'm not wasting any energy lamenting what I don't have, and can't control.

[kenn.michael]

Originally Posted by Matthew Murray

Well folks, I'm selling my copy of Logic Pro 7 and replacing it with the new version of Garageband. It seems to be the only app Apple cares to update.

It kills me when people think that Garageband is the only app being updated just because it happened to be ready to release before Logic 8.

Granted, Apple's silence on the status of Logic Pro is embarrassing at best and definitely not in line with a pro company that knows how to deal with pro customers, but that doesn't mean that Logic 8 is not being worked on very hard...

We should all know by now that Garageband is Logic's engine with a different UI.... so with that knowledge, can we assume that the multi-takes code is already in Logic 8, but because Logic is a much more advanced app than GarageBand, maybe they're taking the time to get it right and not release a buggy app.

[blaugruen7]

everyone knows that they are programming logic 8.

[sleepwalker]

Hate to break it to you guys, but garageband *IS* Apple's audio DAW. I'm pretty certain Logic will see a v8, but it ends there. Soundtrack Pro and garageband are Apple's focus moving forward. I could be wrong, but loads of evidence supports the hypothesis.

Originally Posted by blaugruen7

everyone knows that they are programming logic 8.

[wildstar]

Originally Posted by sleepwalker

Hate to break it to you guys, but garageband *IS* Apple's audio DAW. I'm pretty certain Logic will see a v8, but it ends there. Soundtrack Pro and garageband are Apple's focus moving forward. I could be wrong, but loads of evidence supports the hypothesis.

I just love rumors.



What's the evidence? Seriously! Maybe you'll convince us.

[clonewar]

Originally Posted by sleepwalker

Hate to break it to you guys, but garageband *IS* Apple's audio DAW. I'm pretty certain Logic will see a v8, but it ends there. Soundtrack Pro and garageband are Apple's focus moving forward. I could be wrong, but loads of evidence supports the hypothesis.

Loads of evidence?? Do you really think Apogee would bet the farm on Logic if they thought Apple was going to kill it? And they probably have a little more inside information then the typical internet blogger or forum poster..

[clonewar]

I think today's news about Garageband is good, because you can rest assured that any new features there will be in the next Logic version.

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by kenn.michael

It kills me when people think that Garageband is the only app being updated just because it happened to be ready to release before Logic 8.

Granted, Apple's silence on the status of Logic Pro is embarrassing at best and definitely not in line with a pro company that knows how to deal with pro customers, but that doesn't mean that Logic 8 is not being worked on very hard...

We should all know by now that Garageband is Logic's engine with a different UI.... so with that knowledge, can we assume that the multi-takes code is already in Logic 8, but because Logic is a much more advanced app than GarageBand, maybe they're taking the time to get it right and not release a buggy app.

Apple's not about roadmaps and giving customers the tools to plan their aquisition strategy... that's for stodgy business-oriented companies. Clearly.

Apple is about excitement. Fun. The unexpected.

Keeping the customer off balance...

[Matthew Murray]

I have my doubts Apple is going to kill Logic.

I'm just airing frustration that we've been waiting for YEARS now to be on par with the sort of features that just come naturally to programs like Cubase... and then Apple sticks it just a little further up our asses by giving it's computer-bundled consumer audio product better multi-take management than Logic.

I really hate having to explain this stuff to Cubase users that come to use my studio... When they ask why it doesn't automatically integrate with my outboard, or have take management... I don't have a good excuse except "Cubase has us licked there".

There's only so much waiting around a cat like me is willing to do... but if some of you guys are cool with it, I'm glad for you.

[darkwater]

Honestly, I don't think Logic makes sense for most users. It's real strength is in midi composition with virtual instruments. It has vast capabilities for scoring and the like.

What I decided after using it exclusively at work for 3 years, is that I really preferred to have an app that acts more like a tape machine. I went back to Pro Tools. So happy I did. PT has it's own shortcomings, but for straight-up recording, editing and mixing, I find it far more intuitive and time saving.

[zebastian21]

I remember when Garageband 3 came after the Logic 7.2 update....and it had things Logic did not.....at least this time the new garageband comes first...meaning Logic pro 8 will really show up big changes.

[clonewar]

I guess it all depends on what your needs are. I'm a composer/songwriter working with midi / VI's / plugins about 98% of the time, with the occasional vocal track recorded.. so multi take management and external effects integration will be really nice to have but aren't aren't that important to me.

I'm not worried about whether there will be another Logic update.. my only worry is that it will become too Applified and lose some of its power and versatility.

[pan]

That's the way we're heading:
Making music with yourself...with the computer taking over the creative part?
tutt

That's why we should definitely seperate DAWs and Sequencers from modern Karaoke Machines like Garage Band... soon to become released as iBand Pro!
We need TOOLS not gadgets!

I'm somehow intrigued to think, they will pull out Photoshop's Magic Stick...just weave it over the audio and tune, quantize and if needed harmonize it in one go. Generate Basses from Guitars and Brass Sections inspired by the Drums (if you wish to!)

<give me the Miles Davis Quintett and Roots expansion and dont forget to include the Police-Convolution for long time Emagic supporters>

Let's all cross the fingers, they don't screw up this time!

from Apple:
Magic GarageBand.

Get the creative juices flowing. Bring the band together and let Magic GarageBand generate a new song. Create a virtual jam session or use the song project as a starting point to create your next hit.
Garageband
Start a band.

Assign the instruments and styles to your guitarist, bassist, drummer, and keyboard player. Then let Magic GarageBand generate a new project file based on your choices.
GarageBand Showcase

Take the stage.

The roadies have set up. The band is on the virtual stage. Now pick your instrument and step into the empty spotlight. Playing along with the band is a perfect way to practice or create new songs.

Priority for Logic should be a stable audioengine, compatibility with (hopefully many) different hardware configurations, interfacing with multiple (hard- and software based) sound-generators and audio-manipulators in complex setups while GB focusses more on people with a loud stereo and a USB interface conducting the computer.

[cl516]

ok so it has multiple takes.

i'm still love my Logic 7.2.3. lets me do i wanna do.

[Gear Tramp]

Garageband is taking over. I evern hear the loops everywhere.

Video support, plugins, software instruments, vocal tuning, audio quantization, MIDI (basically) scoring and editing, multiple playlists, seamless integration with other apple software, 24-bit audio... it's not a puzzle.

Starting to wish Pro Tools wasn't so good at tracking and editing live instruments...

[BLueROom]

Logic "Pro" may get killed, but only in exchange for Logic "Studio". I believe Apple will completely change Logic and start it over from 1 again. I also believe the price will go up near the Nuendo price range. Logic will save face with the new release and make lots of us happy. I firmly believe this.


how's that for rumors

[lanervoza]

i feel the news is only foreshadowing good things ahead.

[shanabit]

Ill believe Logic 8 when I see it with my own two eyes, call me Thomas LOL. Real professional there from Apple

[Jonboy79]

Rumor has it, Digidesign is going to buy every audio app company and change all their names to Pro Tools and then take away all your ADC. All your audio apps are belong to us. At least that's the rumor...that I just made up.

[BLueROom]

[Blazinghammer]

Originally Posted by clonewar

Loads of evidence?? Do you really think Apogee would bet the farm on Logic if they thought Apple was going to kill it?

Why not? They killed it once already...

[sethdk]

can u not record and mix songs w/ Logic 7?

[bexarametric]

If I am correct on this (which I'm not sure if I am), the Symphony is just I/O right? It doesn't do DSP like Pro Tools HD does correct? If that's the case, then maybe there's a collaboration going on between Apogee and Apple to integrate AU plugins into a DSP based setup. Or maybe it's dead. We'll know one day.

[Stiff]

Multitake recording seems like a slightly better version of the one in Pro Tools. Personally i prefer the Logic version though. Quick and good for vocal comps.

[headwerkn]

i just finished watching the iLife 08 video and had to giggle when I saw the multi-take function. not only that, you can split the region and select different takes per section... seems an awful lot like a certain PT function ;-)

the better automation, EQ plugin and 24 bit (presumably non-compressed) quality are a bit of a boon too.

seriously, who knows what Apple are going to do with Logic. it is still a powerhouse with a huge reputation, and while the lack of noise from the manufacturer about its future doesn't exactly instill confidence, it seems unlikely that Apple will cast away the product it paid a sizable chunk of cash for only a few years earlier. reworking Logic in its current form into something more than superficially Apple-like would be a huge undertaking, and given all the other swapping and changing of their developers around to get the iPhone out and then 10.5, it isn't so surprising that little ol' Logic has been cooking away for so long.

the good news is that if Logic 8 ever surfaces, it would be unlikely to not have Takes (and if it doesn't, you can bet it integrates nicely with Garageband, so you can just fly it over!).

[anon]

Originally Posted by headwerkn

the good news is that if Logic 8 ever surfaces, it would be unlikely to not have Takes (and if it doesn't, you can bet it integrates nicely with Garageband, so you can just fly it over!).

That is totally hilarious.

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by headwerkn

i just finished watching the iLife 08 video and had to giggle when I saw the multi-take function. not only that, you can split the region and select different takes per section... seems an awful lot like a certain PT function ;-)

the better automation, EQ plugin and 24 bit (presumably non-compressed) quality are a bit of a boon too.

seriously, who knows what Apple are going to do with Logic. it is still a powerhouse with a huge reputation, and while the lack of noise from the manufacturer about its future doesn't exactly instill confidence, it seems unlikely that Apple will cast away the product it paid a sizable chunk of cash for only a few years earlier. reworking Logic in its current form into something more than superficially Apple-like would be a huge undertaking, and given all the other swapping and changing of their developers around to get the iPhone out and then 10.5, it isn't so surprising that little ol' Logic has been cooking away for so long.

the good news is that if Logic 8 ever surfaces, it would be unlikely to not have Takes (and if it doesn't, you can bet it integrates nicely with Garageband, so you can just fly it over!).

Well... the thinking when they bought eMagic seemed to be that they did it to get the audio technology in order to finally add audio and MIDI layers to the Mac OS... it was, after all, the early 2000's and Windows had had audio, MIDI, and plug-in layers starting with Win95 -- I don't know if they ended up folding that technology into the audio/MIDI layers as they used technologies developed elsewhere for the core of OS X (mixing and matching design philosophies precipitously -- to the point where the Mach 3 microkernel and the Darwin layer are a poor mismatch, with the Mach 3 kernel starved for the multi-threaded communications it was desgned and optimized for and the "old-fashoned" monolithic Darwin layer leisurely feeding one communication at a time to it -- which is why OS X has performed so poorly in many multi-user tests)... but it would surprise me if they hadn't.

[firby]

I love OSX for audio. It works better than the same gear with a much faster Dell machine with loads of RAM. Just my experience.