URS API Plugins vs WAVES API Plugins

[Tony"CD"Kelly]

in your Opinion, which is better & which is a better buy?

[Anderson]

That was fast

[SlingeroGuitaro]

no joke!





the waves isnt as good as their SSL series i dont think...


1 vote urs

[andrewj]

The URS pluggies are great, but...

Waves API 2500

If this one sounds as good as it looks... Ohhhhhh I am cummin!

[max cooper]

Is the Waves version more expensive than the actual API version?

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by max cooper

Is the Waves version more expensive than the actual API version?

List on the Waves API is $2000 for TDM, and $1000 for native.

The Waves product is authorized by API.

Were you talking about the URS pricing compared to the Waves? The URS is less expensive...

[andrewj]

but urs has no 2500 style comp!

so far i work a lot with the urs! but the waves would prbably be a hot add on!!!

[Sirocco]

if these are anywhere near as accurate as the SSL emulations i will be broke once again.

[AMIEL]

Wow! that waves API sounds great!

The URS CSP better be as good as this pack ...and way cheaper to be a hit as everybody expect!

Waves 7 days demo is ridiculous at least we need 15 days!

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by AMIEL

The URS CSP better be as good as this pack ...and way cheaper to be a hit as everybody expect!

Why does it have to be "way better" and "way cheaper"..?

It's a different kind of product... The API EQ is the URS is such a small part of the whole packages.

[neon]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Why does it have to be "way better" and "way cheaper"..?

It's a different kind of product... The API EQ is the URS is such a small part of the whole packages.

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Why does it have to be "way better" and "way cheaper"..?

It's a different kind of product... The API EQ is the URS is such a small part of the whole packages.

Plug ins or new products have to be better always.... a plug in have to be great to sell.....and cheaper...well if API Waves is $2000 list...that I think is excessive.....The URS to be a hit have to be cheaper...or do you think have to be more expensive???

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by neon

Plug ins or new products have to be better always.... a plug in have to be great to sell.....and cheaper...well if API Waves is $2000 list...that I think is excessive.....The URS to be a hit have to be cheaper...or do you think have to be more expensive???

I was just trying to figure out why the URS have to be way better and way cheaper. As they are different products...

Waves does not make a product like the Strip Pro...

[peeder]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

I was just trying to figure out why the URS have to be way better and way cheaper.

This is the tyranny of brand dominance. To knock off the king, you have to undercut and overdeliver.

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

I was just trying to figure out why the URS have to be way better and way cheaper. As they are different products...

Waves does not make a product like the Strip Pro...

LOL Man turn off the Gear Dealer suit, and put on the gear user thinking cap.

IF both are plugins that do EQ and compression as models of API products, they are VERY similiar products. Of course one purports to do more than the other, but if Waves has a better API emulation than URS has in its eq bundles, URS better kick ass with the channel strip emulations.

Actually if the URS drops pretty soon and it's kickass, URS could hurt waves sales by offering a low priced/ or free upgrade to its existing plugin algorithms that make them use the modeling of the Channelstrip pro in separate configurations (meaning the SSL will be the "new SSL", the API would be the "new API algorithm" and the same for the compressors.)

IF this happens, most of us who already own URS EQs etc.. would buy the Channelstrip anyway because it offers input models of tape/tube etc..
(It'd be cool if these were also offered as a plug minus the EQ/Comp. They could make it something you receive when buying the channel strip.

It would mean no WUP and great plugs with more money for URS.

And it better be reasonable because price is important and people have limited resources for this stuff. Most will buy the better API model instead of having 3 models of API, (Waves, URS, and URS in the channel strip) IF the URS is better, and it was a few bucks cheper as well, it'd be a no brainer in terms of which to buy.

[jdjustice]

Originally Posted by andrewj

but urs has no 2500 style comp!

so far i work a lot with the urs! but the waves would prbably be a hot add on!!!

and that 2500-style comp is my favourite thing right now about the API bundle.
it is beautiful on the 2-buss especially (as you might imagine).

Originally Posted by SlingeroGuitaro

no joke!

the waves isnt as good as their SSL series i dont think...

1 vote urs

i respectfully disagree.
the API bundle has a quite different sound as the SSL, but i think from my limited demoing of the API that it may be the best-sounding 'emulation' bundle Waves has created, at least for the music i make.

i have been using the Waves SSL buss comp since its release and i can see the API 2500 taking its place on my future mixes.


cheers.
~j.d.

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by jdjustice

and that 2500-style comp is my favourite thing right now about the API bundle.
it is beautiful on the 2-buss especially (as you might imagine).





i respectfully disagree.
the API bundle has a quite different sound as the SSL, but i think from my limited demoing of the API that it may be the best-sounding 'emulation' bundle Waves has created, at least for the music i make.

i have been using the Waves SSL buss comp since its release and i can see the API 2500 taking its place on my future mixes.


cheers.
~j.d.

im telling myself not to try it until my financial situation is a little better

[Tony"CD"Kelly]

Maann, you guys are all over this thing.... So what's the verdict, which sounds better?
And what's the cost of the URS version?

[neon]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Why does it have to be "way better" and "way cheaper"..?

It's a different kind of product... The API EQ is the URS is such a small part of the whole packages.

Originally Posted by no ssl yet

LOL Man turn off the Gear Dealer suit, and put on the gear user thinking cap.

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Thanks Not Yet SSL! you said it right!

Yes ...is so clear , come on Tony...u are cool but you know what I mean when a plug in is better!!! because under your concept of buying it too because is different I should buy all the plug ins that are different ...that means the whole market!!!
You do not need all the Plug in Eqs....just few..the best ones!

Here in GS all of us : Producers, engineers, Gearslutz, hobbyst , songwriters, musicians etc ...we really buy a lot of stuff from the GS sellers ....with all our crap you sellers need us to make a another sell ....so would be great if the sellers would think as NOT YET SSL stated ...with the gear user thinking cap!! so everybody would benefit from each other...you guys try to make us believe with you elocuent words that we have to pay and buy all what the manufacturers produce and say....
I think $2000 bucks for 4 plug ins is way too much!!!

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by neon

Thanks Not Yet SSL! you said it right!

Yes ...is so clear , come on Tony...u are cool but you know what I mean when a plug in is better!!! because under your concept of buying it too because is different I should buy all the plug ins that are different ...that means the whole market!!!
You do not need all the Plug in Eqs....just few..the best ones!

Here in GS all of us : Producers, engineers, Gearslutz, hobbyst , songwriters, musicians etc ...we really buy a lot of stuff from the GS sellers ....with all our crap you sellers need us to make a another sell ....so would be great if the sellers would think as NOT YET SSL stated ...with the gear user thinking cap!! so everybody would benefit from each other...you guys try to make us believe with you elocuent words that we have to pay and buy all what the manufacturers produce and say....
I think $2000 bucks for 4 plug ins is way too much!!!

First of all, his name is No SSL Yet... and I don't think he was saying exactly the same thing you are. To be clear, I was speaking about the URS Strip Pro, which is a product that hasn't been released yet. I was curious as to why the poster felt it it needed to be both cheaper and way better. Wouldn't one or the other typically be a good starting point (better and the same price, or cheaper and just as good?).

But, what it boils down to is it's a different kind of product.

On one hand, you have a bundle of API products as plugins.

On the other hand, you have a channel strip product that has emulations from lots of different products (Neve, API, SSL, etc).

There are also other things that make them different. To really compare them, you would have to take the V series, the API series and the SSL Bundle from Waves and run them through the paces with the Strip Pro.

I am thinking with a "gear user" thinking cap. I actually own all of this stuff and use it (although haven't used the API's yet). I got the API's as part of my Mercury Bundle. This was a free bonus for the Mercury Bundle owners, like me, so I don't have to make a decision between one or the other..

When it comes to native plugins, I try them out and buy the plugins I like. I suggest everyone to do the same.

EDIT: Looking back at AMIEL's original post, I completely misunderstood what he said.... He said:

The URS CSP better be as good as this pack ...and way cheaper to be a hit as everybody expect!

I read it as the CSP needed to be way better and way cheaper... but after re-reading it, it makes a lot more sense.

So basically forget everything I said. Sorry for the confusion. That's what happens when you sleep 3 hours. You can read my pointless post above if you want.

[AMIEL]

Do not worry Tony!!! just give me a great deal!!

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

First of all, his name is No SSL Yet... and I don't think he was saying exactly the same thing you are. To be clear, I was speaking about the URS Strip Pro, which is a product that hasn't been released yet. I was curious as to why the poster felt it it needed to be both cheaper and way better. Wouldn't one or the other typically be a good starting point (better and the same price, or cheaper and just as good?).

But, what it boils down to is it's a different kind of product.

On one hand, you have a bundle of API products as plugins.

On the other hand, you have a channel strip product that has emulations from lots of different products (Neve, API, SSL, etc).

There are also other things that make them different. To really compare them, you would have to take the V series, the API series and the SSL Bundle from Waves and run them through the paces with the Strip Pro.

I am thinking with a "gear user" thinking cap. I actually own all of this stuff and use it (although haven't used the API's yet). I got the API's as part of my Mercury Bundle. This was a free bonus for the Mercury Bundle owners, like me, so I don't have to make a decision between one or the other..

When it comes to native plugins, I try them out and buy the plugins I like. I suggest everyone to do the same.

EDIT: Looking back at AMIEL's original post, I completely misunderstood what he said.... He said:


I read it as the CSP needed to be way better and way cheaper... but after re-reading it, it makes a lot more sense.

So basically forget everything I said. Sorry for the confusion. That's what happens when you sleep 3 hours. You can read my pointless post above if you want.

3 Hours Of Sleep? Your a Rookie! Try 30 minutes a night for 2 summers

[Chris]

So... Does anybody that owns one or the other have experience with both plugs? Let's hear some opinions instead of bitching about pricing.

[redroom]

Ive had a chance to test the Waves API against the URS for sometime!

IMHO the waves API is much better has some lovely oommph going on that the URS
does not have.In comparison the URS stuff sounds a bit plastic whilst the Waves API
just sound more real.On a side note I much prefer the way the URS is laid out and
alost their stuff supports mouse wheels.

[catfish11]

I sold my urs a while ago, but from what I remember the waves sound nearly spot on to the "hard" api stuff,

I found the urs stuff just to easy to clip, besides

but that waves bundle is pretty scary if you like the api sound

I maybe somewhat off, but I would say the urs had the flavor, but the waves really hits it, you may not like waves, but they are making some damn good plugs

the other thing about the waves is what happens when you push the levels, they got this analog overdrive thing happening, that other plugs don't even bother with

like I said the urs was good but the clipping issue was a joke in my opinion, another big for waves on this

I also used to have an api 2500 around here, from what I remember this emulation is damn close, I was sorry I got rid of it, it was one of my "I'll do it all in the box" fazes, now i got it back......in the box!!

you really got to push these waves plugs to realize just how far they have these emulations down, you can really throttle shit w that 2500, very impresive

[BuzzaB]

Hey don't forget liquid mix's API samples, they sound awesome IMO.

[George Necola]

Hey don't forget liquid mix's API samples, they sound awesome IMO.

do you have a special edition? a good sounding liquidmix unit=?

I love all the manufacturers equalyfuuck

Originally Posted by Sirocco

3 Hours Of Sleep? Your a Rookie! Try 30 minutes a night for 2 summers

You must have hibernated in the Winter.

[indie]

Waves API 2500 plugin is the first plugin compressor that I love.

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by indie

Waves API 2500 plugin is the first plugin compressor that I love.

That you love? or like?

If you love it ..its good news!!

[Sirocco]

Originally Posted by no ssl yet

You must have hibernated in the Winter.

you better beleive it