I LIKE REASON/I LIKE PROTOOLS..HUMMM!! CAN I MAKE THIS WORK?

[rallycapmusic]

Hey guys..I like to use Reason because of the flexibility,real time automation,etc,etc..but i want to do all mixing and audio editing in PT's. i like to make complete songs in reason then send all the audio over into PT's. BUT i dont want complete the song in Reason then sit there going through 4-5mins of tracking each sound over into PT's. I know about rewire and i like it but is there a way i can have indiviual channels in Reason already(as a template) rewired between PT and Reason to where i can have both programs up,make my beat in Reason,lay vocals in PT(synced up of course-following along with the Reason beat) then when the song is done, i can FINALLY print the music tracks to PT's for mixing?

[MERC476]

Not a Protools fan but in Cubase/Nuendo, you can do this very easily so I can't imagine that Protools wouldn't allow you to. In Cubase, once you rewire Reason with Cubase, all you need to do is set up a midi track for each rack in reason you wanna use and that's pretty much it. Save a template in Protools that you can open up with all the rewire done already and save a template for reason with all the racks already rewire that way every time you want to start working on a new beat, you don't have to do the whole rewiring again.

[MorganStudios]

I dont think you can because pro tools doens't allow rewire

[2012]

Originally Posted by MorganStudios

I dont think you can because pro tools doens't allow rewire

Yes it does.

[darkman2]

fyi rewire came into being just for protools , the fact that it

works for cubase is good .. but rewire works best in PT..

[Antagonist]

Easy...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but all you'd have to do is open both programs through rewire. Rewire each channel out on Reason into a Rewire Channel in ProTools. Then in real-time just make an audio track and record your vocals before "printing" any of your rewire tracks.

The only limitations would be if your computer wasn't fast enough to run both programs so that you had no latency while you were recording your vocal. You can offset track latency if you need to make up for this, but if you have a powerhouse comp, this shouldn't be a problem.

As I said, correct me if I'm wrong, but I know I've tried this before so I could scratchpad a vocal with my dropouts.

Hope it helps.
Antagonist
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[stereobot]

Antagonist is right on.

If your computer can run Pro Tools and Reason (using rewire) and if you have enough CPU left over for plugins for mixing, you are in good shape. Just get everything sounding how you like it and bounce to disk, that should be all you need to do. I really don't think you would need to bounce an audio instrument from Reason into an audio track in PT.

However - It might be a good idea to bounce your MIDI through Audio Insrument to an Audio Track and Import the file into Pro Tools as it will allow more CPU power for mixing - your computer will not have to use CPU power to run the synth anymore. It might be time consuming, its really a matter of what it takes to get the job done right.

I am wondering if it is possible to send a channel from Reason into an Aux send in Pro Tools (or Logic Pro) and not just into an Aux channel in Reason...

I don't really like Reason though, so I never tried to figure that out.

[MERC476]

Originally Posted by darkman2

fyi rewire came into being just for protools , the fact that it

works for cubase is good .. but rewire works best in PT..

Just wondering. What makes you say it works best in Protools? Is it cause that's all you use or is there something protools does that Cubase can't do? As long as i've had reason, i've had Cubase and it take a few clicks and i'm working right away. I record all vocals for my sessions that are produced in reason right into Cubase without any latency issues and I even mix the track at the end with all my plugins running without a problem. Just wondering what makes Protools work better......

[matthew.sawicki]

Originally Posted by MERC476

Just wondering what makes Protools work better......

It's an industry standard.

[goldenlotus]

Reason and Pro Tools are my two main programs. I don't even use rewire. I make all the music in reason, solo and export each track, then import everything into pt. Once I'm in PT it's all audio. If I want to make any changes to the parts I either copy/paste the audio or just open up the reason session, make changes and re-import the changed part.

I'm just starting get into hardware synths. Not even dealing with midi, just record the audio into PT. It's a different way of working which focuses on the performance which is exciting me now. Also just using different sounds sometimes will spark something for me.

I'm looking at either Cubase or Logic for sequencing though, probably Logic. I still will mix and track in PT.

[iceberg]

Originally Posted by matthew.sawicki

It's an industry standard.

What an idiot you are!
You really believe pro tools is better cause its the "industry standard"?
And you are from STL, but I guess being from north county explains your ignorance. Dont start a bashing war, cause you will lose.

I dont believe for a second that rewire was made just for PT. In fact is was a feature in cubase even before it became cubase sx.

[2012]

ReWire was designed by Propellerhead and Steinberg. It first appeared in Propellerhead's ReBirth and Steinberg's Cubase VST back in 1998.

But it's funny to me that two people have posted untrue statements about ReWire and yet both were completely opposite statements:

1. Pro Tools doesn't allow ReWire

2. ReWire was designed for Pro Tools

Come on guys. Where are you getting this kind of information?

[matthew.sawicki]

Originally Posted by iceberg

What an idiot you are!
You really believe pro tools is better cause its the "industry standard"?
And you are from STL, but I guess being from north county explains your ignorance. Dont start a bashing war, cause you will lose.

I dont believe for a second that rewire was made just for PT. In fact is was a feature in cubase even before it became cubase sx.

Wow. What a jerk.

If you think for one second that ProTools isn't the industry standard, then you should probably go check out some of the major facilities in the world. I dare you to find them with a majority of anything other than PT. Sure... you'll find some other rigs, but anything else is preference. I'm sure cubase is fine, but all I said was that PT was the STANDARD.

I guess the fact that we're on the internet explains your ignorance. I'm not from North County, I just moved here about 3 months ago. Get off your trip.

[MERC476]

Originally Posted by matthew.sawicki

Wow. What a jerk.

If you think for one second that ProTools isn't the industry standard, then you should probably go check out some of the major facilities in the world. I dare you to find them with a majority of anything other than PT. Sure... you'll find some other rigs, but anything else is preference. I'm sure cubase is fine, but all I said was that PT was the STANDARD.

I guess the fact that we're on the internet explains your ignorance. I'm not from North County, I just moved here about 3 months ago. Get off your trip.

I think the point he was making is that the question was what makes you think that Protools WORKS better than Cubase and your answer was "It's an industry standard".....Give some reasons. Again, i'm just curious. i'm not gonna sit here and bash Protools cause i dont use it.....I highly doubt that Protools became the industry standard because it's the best REWIRE software for REASON....

[matthew.sawicki]

In my response I never said that Cubase was anything... I simply said that PT was the standard. The question was "What makes ProTools work better?", and I chimed in my 2 cents...

When something is a standard, it's developed harder, supported more, and more widely accepted.

In no way was I saying that Cubase is inferior, I've never used it or seen it in use.

[2012]

There is nothing about any DAW that makes it work better with ReWire clients than any other DAW. HD may be the industry standard but that doesn't mean it works better with ReWire.

Steinberg co-developed ReWire. But that doesn't mean it works better in Cubase. It is a free license to developers. There is no exclusive or special development or implementation of ReWire by Digidesign.

ReWire is an industry standard in and of itself.

[matthew.sawicki]

Originally Posted by 2012

There is nothing about any DAW that makes it work better with ReWire clients than any other DAW. HD may be the industry standard but that doesn't mean it works better with ReWire.

Steinberg co-developed ReWire. But that doesn't mean it works better in Cubase. It is a free license to developers. There is no exclusive or special development or implementation of ReWire by Digidesign.

ReWire is an industry standard in and of itself.

Exactly. I never said that it did. I said PT was better, a general statement. ReWire absolutely won't work better in any native/HD solution because it's an RTAS implementation (at least in PT) so the fact that I have HD has no bearing on how it works. I was speaking from a more general postion.

Sorry if I ended up hijacking this a bit, it wasn't my intention. I was really just trying to say why I thought PT was better.

[rallycapmusic]

WOW!!! what have i started here in THIS forum,lol!!!
So for the guys who track into PT after creating there music in Reason, do you also track the bells and whistles(efx,etc..)..to be honest im running all stock stuff in PT LE7.3 and the Reason reverb sound better to me than the stock PT's reverb(sounds real tinny).

[2012]

Originally Posted by matthew.sawicki

Exactly. I never said that it did. I said PT was better, a general statement. ReWire absolutely won't work better in any native/HD solution because it's an RTAS implementation (at least in PT) so the fact that I have HD has no bearing on how it works. I was speaking from a more general postion.

Sorry if I ended up hijacking this a bit, it wasn't my intention. I was really just trying to say why I thought PT was better.

Gotcha. I just wanted to clear it up for MERC476.

[2012]

Originally Posted by rallycapmusic

So for the guys who track into PT after creating there music in Reason, do you also track the bells and whistles(efx,etc..)..to be honest im running all stock stuff in PT LE7.3 and the Reason reverb sound better to me than the stock PT's reverb(sounds real tinny).

Use whatever sounds better to you.

[rallycapmusic]

i guess i would have to bounce out the stems over to PT from Reason once the vocals are laid and the song is done. i tried to set up audio tracks with rewire attached on them but it wont let me record on the individual tracks itself.says "i need an input sorce" but the audio is coming from rewire not the inputs on my interface. what would i have to do to hear the Reason music as im tracking vocals ,then print it in PT?

[goldenlotus]

The way I do it:

I make the music in reason. Export a stereo mix.

Import the stereo mix into PT

Record all vocals and other live instuments

Export/import all the individual tracks right before mixing

If you want to go back into reason, you can just solo the vox, select starting where the music starts on the grid, do a bounce and load the file into an NNXT in reason. Then you can hear the vocals and add insruments in reason.

This allows you to quickly move between reason and PT and deal with separating everything later.

[AnonJack]

Originally Posted by rallycapmusic

i guess i would have to bounce out the stems over to PT from Reason once the vocals are laid and the song is done. i tried to set up audio tracks with rewire attached on them but it wont let me record on the individual tracks itself.says "i need an input sorce" but the audio is coming from rewire not the inputs on my interface. what would i have to do to hear the Reason music as im tracking vocals ,then print it in PT?

Open Reason through an Aux track with Rewire enabled...then bus the aux track to an audio track. I make beats with Reason and Pro Tools all the time. I've got a good computer too, so I'm sure that helps...but it works smooth as butter.

[rallycapmusic]

yeah see thats the way i nomally would do it..you would be hearing the stereo image of Reason comin in..what i was saying is it a way to have that same concept but just on individual tracks coming in instead of the whole thing coming in on one Aux track. that way i wont have to do the 8 or 16 bar track out process or the track for 4-5mins of each track when the song is compleate. i was looking for a way to have reason rewired on individual tracks(not printing)but just there on input so when the song and vox are done i can just push record on the incoming rewire tracks and print all in one pass..sorta like adats..where as vox are JUST getting recorded and music is passing through but not really getting printed until the song is final.

[AnonJack]

Originally Posted by rallycapmusic

yeah see thats the way i nomally would do it..you would be hearing the stereo image of Reason comin in..what i was saying is it a way to have that same concept but just on individual tracks coming in instead of the whole thing coming in on one Aux track. that way i wont have to do the 8 or 16 bar track out process or the track for 4-5mins of each track when the song is compleate. i was looking for a way to have reason rewired on individual tracks(not printing)but just there on input so when the song and vox are done i can just push record on the incoming rewire tracks and print all in one pass..sorta like adats..where as vox are JUST getting recorded and music is passing through but not really getting printed until the song is final.

Yeah, you can have them come in individually on tracks. You gotta configure your interface in Reason. For example, say I've got kick, snare, and hat in Redrum, and want those going to individual tracks in PT b/c I want to apply Sony-Oxford EQs and Compressor plug-ins. I would have to route my kick, snare, and hat from Redrum to my interface, then in the Rewire client on my insert, assign each one to an output...so:

Snare from Redrum 1 to Interface output 1.
Kick from Redrum 2 to Interface output 2.
Hat from Redrum 3 to Interface output 3.

Check out the Reason video on the Pro Tools site. I can't remember for sure, but I'm pretty sure he goes over routing Reason through Rewire in PT. http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?...396&ref=PTAV-F

[2012]

Delete the Reason mixer and route each instrument's outputs to Reason's hardware interface.

In Pro Tools, start a new 24-bit session. Next, open up a mono aux and a mono audio track for each channel you have in Reason. Name them so you know what is going where and so the resulting audio regions will be properly named. For example, you'll have one Aux named 'AuxKick' and one Audio track named 'Kick' and so on.

Bus the output of each aux track to the input of it's accompanying audio track. Take note of which instruments you're using in Reason that are stereo. They will need two channels in Pro Tools, and you will need to pan accordingly.

Finally, select the 'Reason' insert on all the of the Aux tracks you created, and select the channel that corresponds to the instrument you want recorded to that track. For example, route the Kick drum on channel 1 of Redrum to output 3 on the Reason interface and then select 'channel 3' on the Reason plug-in window.

When you want to record the tracks, just record-arm all of the audio tracks you created, make sure the levels coming from the instruments in Reason are not clipping or too low and hit record.

[Stiff]

Alright, to the original poster: The solutions ahve already been posted so no need to repeat that.

To the Digi-Cubase-bash-fest-guys: ReWire was introduced in Pro Tools late actually... In 6.x if my memory serves me correctly. ReWire works good in Pro Tools (haven't had any issues at all) and I'm sure it works good in Cubase as well.

[Jules]

I am going to shunt this thread over to the computer forum so you can perhaps get more info...

Jules
Gearslutz.com admin

[Ruudman]

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tutorial on propellerheads.se


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[jbuehler]

Originally Posted by Ruudman

I can't understand why people don't go to the source:

tutorial on propellerheads.se


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I agree. So much random misinformation on this thead it makes me sick.