Superior Custom & Vintage by Toontrack

montanasan · 17th May 2007

Just bought Superior Custom & Vintage drums by Toontrack. Anyone else using this and if so any top tips?
Thanks in advance, joe.

CKK · 17th May 2007

No tips - no tricks. Just start play with it - its wonderfull.

supaheef · 17th May 2007

Sounds great dry, but sounds FANTASTIC when compressed. Use the SSL LMC plug on a parallel bus, and SMASH it. It brings out all the overtones in those wonderful old drums. I guess the TG desk they tracked it through helps. Another tip; buy the expansion pack. Another 20Gb's off good stuff, especially the tea-toweled toms. Also, the Zildjian K cymbals are the "best in show".

Best tip? Buy a nice electric kit, and get heaps of RAM for you computer. Then question the relative pros and cons of micing up drums.

heath.

Football · 17th May 2007

Can you suggest a good electronic kit (with good hi-hats)?

halcyo · 17th May 2007

I have it, as well as the Add-On pack, and the original DFHS too! I remember when I first dove into the 'drum sample library world' the hardest part was finding a good way to program in my drum parts.

The only tip I might offer is to really learn to massage the midi velocities of your hits to produce the right sound for your track. When I first started using DFHS, I tended to use VERY high velocities ALL THE TIME. Over time, you will learn to program like a drummer might play the part.

I have survived thus far without, but I also agree that a basic E-drum kit would absolutely be a fabulous way to work with the Toontrack stuff. They really designed the products with this in mind.

Keep in mind that any tips/tricks for mixing ANY acoustic drum tracks will also apply to Superior!

halcyo

blastula · 17th May 2007

i like to use a lot of slushy hi hat and i'm having trouble getting the hats to sound natural in C&V. It seems like theyre either too open or too closed. I never seem to find that good slushy half opened sound.

Also it seems like there is not as much sample variation per note in the hats as there is in the drums. Meaning, when I ride on one hat, all the hits from loud to soft sound too similar, and it sounds mechanical no matter how dynamically i play.

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

thanks,
Rob

Sirocco · 18th May 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by blastula

i like to use a lot of slushy hi hat and i'm having trouble getting the hats to sound natural in C&V. It seems like theyre either too open or too closed. I never seem to find that good slushy half opened sound.

Also it seems like there is not as much sample variation per note in the hats as there is in the drums. Meaning, when I ride on one hat, all the hits from loud to soft sound too similar, and it sounds mechanical no matter how dynamically i play.

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

thanks,
Rob

try compressing with realllyyyyyy low attack and release

orange · 18th May 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by blastula

i like to use a lot of slushy hi hat and i'm having trouble getting the hats to sound natural in C&V. It seems like theyre either too open or too closed. I never seem to find that good slushy half opened sound.

how are you triggering the hats ?

they respond to midi CC 04 - which is the HH footpedal. Toontrack have some kind of transmuting/xfading built in to simulate the opening/closing of the hat.

If you don't have a set of vdrums (which I heartily recommend) - then assign a controller to 04 and try twiddling that whilst triggering the hats.

blastula · 18th May 2007

thanks for the tips. I've been a keyboard drummer for so many years...no v-drums in my future....but maybe something with some controllers. I don't think my Korg M1 sends out cc04. If anyone knows different, please let me know!

rob

orange · 18th May 2007

you can change the controller number in DFH to match the joystick on the M1 - check out section 9.3 in the manual "hi-hat mapping"

Stiff · 18th May 2007

Tips? No, not really. Record them to individual tracks when you run out of power and start mixing those tracks when you have. Reel Tape Flanger on toms is pretty cool... Is that a tip? I don't know

blastula · 18th May 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange

you can change the controller number in DFH to match the joystick on the M1 - check out section 9.3 in the manual "hi-hat mapping"

thank you orange!!

Ruudman · 18th May 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiff

Reel Tape Flanger on toms is pretty cool...

to tape flanger on toms!

Ruudman

montanasan · 18th May 2007

How does this compare to other drum stuff out there?
Is there anything in particular a non-drummer like myself should be careful of?
joe.

montanasan · 19th May 2007

One more question. Is anyone out there using it with Logic? Is there a "best way" to have it set up within Logic? I was playing around with it for the first time last night and although it sounded great, it was taking a while to get things done. Maybe I'm just crap!!

ptbarnum · 19th May 2007

make an autoload with the multi setup, and you'll only have to load that when you start a new project

17th May 2007	#1
montanasan Gear addict Joined: Apr 2006 Location: West Coast of Scotland Posts: 339 Thread Starter	Superior Custom & Vintage by Toontrack Just bought Superior Custom & Vintage drums by Toontrack. Anyone else using this and if so any top tips? Thanks in advance, joe.

17th May 2007	#6
blastula Gear maniac Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 160	C & V Hi Hat Question i like to use a lot of slushy hi hat and i'm having trouble getting the hats to sound natural in C&V. It seems like theyre either too open or too closed. I never seem to find that good slushy half opened sound. Also it seems like there is not as much sample variation per note in the hats as there is in the drums. Meaning, when I ride on one hat, all the hits from loud to soft sound too similar, and it sounds mechanical no matter how dynamically i play. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. thanks, Rob

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Stiff Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,794	Tips? No, not really. Record them to individual tracks when you run out of power and start mixing those tracks when you have. Reel Tape Flanger on toms is pretty cool... Is that a tip? I don't know __________________ Daily news & reviews ProToolerBlog.com

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supaheef Gear maniac Joined: Oct 2002 Location: In a small box full of flashing lights - Brisbane, Australia Posts: 274	Sounds great dry, but sounds FANTASTIC when compressed. Use the SSL LMC plug on a parallel bus, and SMASH it. It brings out all the overtones in those wonderful old drums. I guess the TG desk they tracked it through helps. Another tip; buy the expansion pack. Another 20Gb's off good stuff, especially the tea-toweled toms. Also, the Zildjian K cymbals are the "best in show". Best tip? Buy a nice electric kit, and get heaps of RAM for you computer. Then question the relative pros and cons of micing up drums. heath.

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halcyo Lives for gear Joined: Mar 2003 Location: Cincinnati Ohio Posts: 766 2 Reviews written	I have it, as well as the Add-On pack, and the original DFHS too! I remember when I first dove into the 'drum sample library world' the hardest part was finding a good way to program in my drum parts. The only tip I might offer is to really learn to massage the midi velocities of your hits to produce the right sound for your track. When I first started using DFHS, I tended to use VERY high velocities ALL THE TIME. Over time, you will learn to program like a drummer might play the part. I have survived thus far without, but I also agree that a basic E-drum kit would absolutely be a fabulous way to work with the Toontrack stuff. They really designed the products with this in mind. Keep in mind that any tips/tricks for mixing ANY acoustic drum tracks will also apply to Superior! halcyo

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orange Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 1,688	you can change the controller number in DFH to match the joystick on the M1 - check out section 9.3 in the manual "hi-hat mapping"

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ptbarnum Gear maniac Joined: Sep 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 292	make an autoload with the multi setup, and you'll only have to load that when you start a new project