Mixing ITB with outboard too

[montanasan]

Hi there,
Can anyone explain to a complete technophobe like myself how I can mix in logic on my G5 and MOTU 828MK2 and also use the following outboard gear I have lying around:
AVALON Vt737sp
2 SUMMIT TLA-50 tube levellers
2 UREI LA4
LEXICON PCM60
ORBAN 111B spring reverb.
Any help will be rewarded - not in this life but the next... Something to look forward to.
Over an doubt, joe.

[teknosmoker]

See this thread....

Routing out of DAW into mixer and back into DAW?


Though I never got an answer as to whether a master clock is needed for digital gear if you intend to keep everything in the digital domain...

-T

[Fman]

Originally Posted by teknosmoker

See this thread....

Routing out of DAW into mixer and back into DAW?


Though I never got an answer as to whether a master clock is needed for digital gear if you intend to keep everything in the digital domain...

-T

Digital carries time code information so no you don't need a master clock so long as it is staying in the digital domain.

[zak7]

just curious how everybody is using outboard gear as AUXs like reverbs, delays and also compressors or EQ as insert per channel in Protools HD?

[catfish11]

you simply insert them like a plug

in the audio channel or an aux

patch them in thru the hardware I/Os

under setup > I/O > h/W insert delay I set it for 5ms

for a digital device you route it the same way cept you need to change the hardware settings in the 192 dialog - analog 3/4 change to digital spidf
then patch in 3/4 in your aux

sounds confusing, but isn't

[Lagerfeldt]

Let's say you want an external reverb setup in Logic, e.g. a TC M3000.

The M3000 has two engines, so let's set up both so you can have 2 different reverbs at the same time.

-Connect the M3000 to your sound card using TOSLink or coaxial.

-Pan Bus 1 in Logic to the left, pan Bus 2 to the right.

-Set output of both Bus 1 and 2 to the M3000 output on your sound card (usually the last outputs if you're connecting digitally)

-Set Aux 1 for M3000 input (usually the last outputs if you're connecting digitally)

Now you can send to engine 1 on Bus 1 and engine 2 on Bus 2. Both are returned to the same Aux in Logic.

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How to setup a compressor or EQ:

-Connect the compressor to input 2-3 (or other input) and output 2-3 (or other output)

-Open the I/O plug-in and select output 2-3 and input 2-3

Now you can use a compressor as an insert.

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There will always been some minor latency introduced by your sound card's converters but the main latency will come from your buffer size. So use abuffer size of 128 or less for realistic results. If you experience clicks your MOTU (or G5) probably can't handle that buffer size and you'll have to raise it to 256.

Logic does have some latency compensation measures but you'll probably need to adjust some tracks manually. This is not necessary regarding the reverbs only the I/Os.

[teknosmoker]

Originally Posted by Fman

Digital carries time code information so no you don't need a master clock so long as it is staying in the digital domain.

Fair enough. Thanks - I'll give it a shot again. I seem to recall getting digital noise some times when trying this with a TC Finalizer 5 or 6 years ago. I was going from DAW>Finalizer>DAT in those days. Now that soundcard converters have gotten much better, I don't use a DAT anymore.




OK --- What about if you are using external digital FX boxes, but are only using the the analog I/O on both your soundcard and the external FX? Any need to clock when doing that?

My understanding was that the only time clocking is needed is when you go out digitally, then come back to the DAW via an analog input (I've gotten conflicting responses on this question many times).

-T

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by teknosmoker

OK --- What about if you are using external digital FX boxes, but are only using the the analog I/O on both your soundcard and the external FX? Any need to clock when doing that?



-T

If the signal is both entering and leaving your FX box analog it's not necessary to clock it to your soundcard, if that's what you're asking.

[teknosmoker]

Originally Posted by Brendan

If the signal is both entering and leaving your FX box analog it's not necessary to clock it to your soundcard, if that's what you're asking.

Yup - Thanks, I just wanted to confirm. I also started a new thread with this question, specifically asking when a masterclock was really needed. Sounds like you only need clock when mixing A/D and D/D connections simultaneously between devices. If you keep the signal path between your DAW and digital outboard stuff "all digital" or "all analog", a masterclock is not needed.

-T