removing ilok trials from my ilok?

[recall]

Hi Guys,

I've been using a fair few trials over the last couple of months, now most have expired and I have purchased the ones I like (urs,mcdsp,sony). I would like to clean up my ilok and delete the assets from the trials.

I have tried to do this quickly but can't work it out and reading the FAQ's didn't help much.

Any help.....?

[jdjustice]

hi recall.

some trials CANNOT be removed from your iLok.
McDSP comes to mind, as do some Digidesign trials...

i keep a separate iLok just for demos because of this.
you CAN move the expired trials to another iLok (i think).... but you can't always delete them, as far as i know

cheers.
~j.d.

[El Fatso]

wouldnt removing the trials from your ilok allow you to reinstall the trial and ilok not know that you already used up your 14 days? i think thats why you cant delete the trials. just delete the plug ins from your plug ins folder so PT will stop asking you to buy them.

[max cooper]

Originally Posted by El Fatso

wouldnt removing the trials from your ilok allow you to reinstall the trial and ilok not know that you already used up your 14 days? i think thats why you cant delete the trials. just delete the plug ins from your plug ins folder so PT will stop asking you to buy them.

Right.

Same if you have multiple iLoks on one account; you can't demo the same plugins on your second or third iLok.

[peeder]

Are there any downsides to having more than one ilok account?

[musicbydesign]

Hey! I woke up an old thread because I was trying to delete some expired demo's from my ilok and just read on their website that you can't. THATS BULLSHIT!!! Sure, you can move 'em to another $40 waste of money and plastic when you run out of your 100 license count. I was really not hating ilok till they did this.

NO MORE DEMOS THAT REQUIRE ILOK FOR ME.....dfegadilok



Sorry for venting but this is stupid for an expired license take up a space that can't be deleted, just moved.



Next thing you know some guy will advertise "Ill take your expired demo license for a small fee........"


hmmm, makes you think...they buy a $40 dollar dongle and charge like $5 bucks a pop to take your expired demos and make $500 and net $460.... Its a crazy world.


EDIT: Just got to thinking, ilok charges $25 bucks to transfer a license so forget that last part....... Boycott demos with ilok!


Daniel

[exwel]

ps how many ilok license can be put on the ilok?

sorry for the offtopiv guestion.

[Mikkel Nielsen]

Originally Posted by exwel

ps how many ilok license can be put on the ilok?

sorry for the offtopiv guestion.

100 licenses.

Best wishes,

Mikkel

[thehuman]

Yeah, I'm up to 95 on mine, because I have been demoing like crazy this month (Waves, Nomad, Sonnox, URS). I have made my purchases, and I am all good to go at 95, but if I ever need to demo anything else, I will probably have to get another one. Pretty stupid, but I understand why they do it. It would sort of defeat the purpose otherwise.

You just have to pick your battles. If you want to use Waves, Sonnox, Flux, URS, SoundToys, etc., you have to play by their stupid rules. Personally, I think it's worth it. I fought the iLok fight for a long time, but I am happy I caved and picked up some great deals on Waves this month.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by musicbydesign

Hey! I woke up an old thread because I was trying to delete some expired demo's from my ilok and just read on their website that you can't. THATS BULLSHIT!!! Sure, you can move 'em to another $40 waste of money and plastic when you run out of your 100 license count. I was really not hating ilok till they did this.

NO MORE DEMOS THAT REQUIRE ILOK FOR ME.....dfegadilok



Sorry for venting but this is stupid for an expired license take up a space that can't be deleted, just moved.



Next thing you know some guy will advertise "Ill take your expired demo license for a small fee........"


hmmm, makes you think...they buy a $40 dollar dongle and charge like $5 bucks a pop to take your expired demos and make $500 and net $460.... Its a crazy world.


EDIT: Just got to thinking, ilok charges $25 bucks to transfer a license so forget that last part....... Boycott demos with ilok!


Daniel

Well...what do you think would happen if you could remove a trial? you'd just trial that plugin again...and again...and again.

So whilst I agree it would be good to be able to trial without ilok, for those companies that have gone the ilok route, it's understandable that the licenses don't get removed.

I would imagine purchasing the item trialed would remove the trial license.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by max cooper

Right.

Same if you have multiple iLoks on one account; you can't demo the same plugins on your second or third iLok.

I know it's an old post, but I don't think that's true - we have about 15 iloks on one account, and the same plugins have been trialed by different people on different rigs.

[Killahurts]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Well...what do you think would happen if you could remove a trial? you'd just trial that plugin again...and again...and again.

So whilst I agree it would be good to be able to trial without ilok, for those companies that have gone the ilok route, it's understandable that the licenses don't get removed.

I would imagine purchasing the item trialed would remove the trial license.

But they don't, that's just it! I have the Sonnox plugs and a few more that I tried and bought, but the expired demos are still there in perpetuity, right along side of the purchased versions. I wish the iLok folks would fix this, but it might not be as simple as I think..

[musicbydesign]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Well...what do you think would happen if you could remove a trial? you'd just trial that plugin again...and again...and again.

So whilst I agree it would be good to be able to trial without ilok, for those companies that have gone the ilok route, it's understandable that the licenses don't get removed.

I would imagine purchasing the item trialed would remove the trial license.

No, thats just it, lets say you could remove the expired trials. If you request a demo from a company they ask for your ilok username so they can deposit the trial license in your account.....well they would (should) know they have already done this and refuse. If they choose to use ilok for demos they can keep up with the usernames of accounts they send licenses to. We shouldn't have to lump a slot each time we want to try a demo out. One guy even said if you purchase the unlimited license you still have the stupid trial sitting right next to the full one. Total BS on iloks part.

Companies Ive lately trialed that is now stuck on my ilok

Softube - 3 slots taken
Pro Audio DSP - 1 slot taken

Sure thats only 4 slots so far but they add up and 100 isn't that much. Kudos to the companies that use serials for demos. I don't mind using ilok except for full licenses though. Sorry for venting again, but it would be nice to have a 'clean' ilok with only full licenses on it.


Daniel

[Coyoteous]

It would be nice if expired licenses would be out-of-sight in a folder or something. I only demoed two Sonnox plug-ins before I bought the Elite bundle. I thought I saw something go by that made me think the trial licenses were queued for deletion... won't now if that happens for 72 hrs. or so.

I just looked, and they say "queued," but now I think that might mean to expire... oh, well. I have some pending trial licenses at ilok.com, and at least one is a plug-in that I never demoed, but I purchased. I left it there thinking it was like my own ZDT, and maybe I could demo it, in case of loss, etc.

But that's maybe one or two out over twenty active assets. Oh yeah, each one of these native Elite bundle components is its own little bundle with a native and native UB asset. So, that's 18 right there with the two demos... sheesh! I guess I'll eventually get another iLok for the expired and things I can't/don't use.

[Squawk]

Originally Posted by musicbydesign

No, thats just it, lets say you could remove the expired trials. If you request a demo from a company they ask for your ilok username so they can deposit the trial license in your account.....well they would (should) know they have already done this and refuse. If they choose to use ilok for demos they can keep up with the usernames of accounts they send licenses to. We shouldn't have to lump a slot each time we want to try a demo out. One guy even said if you purchase the unlimited license you still have the stupid trial sitting right next to the full one. Total BS on iloks part.


Daniel

Many companies do that, and they all should. I've forgot about stuff I've demo'd previously (softube stuff I think it was), and requested a trial when I already had used one prior, and gotten the message "trial license was already sent to this ilok account" or similar.

[musicbydesign]

Originally Posted by Squawk

Many companies do that, and they all should. I've forgot about stuff I've demo'd previously (softube stuff I think it was), and requested a trial when I already had used one prior, and gotten the message "trial license was already sent to this ilok account" or similar.

So I see no reason expired trials should haunt our iloks. This really needs to be resolved as Ive learned my lesson and will not demo any more ilok required plug trials. As Ive said, I don't mind ilok on full licenses though.

I guess I will save money in the end because I won't buy what I can't painlessly try.


Daniel

[everythinglouder]

You can actually hold 118 licenses on a ilok, not 100.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Squawk

Many companies do that, and they all should. I've forgot about stuff I've demo'd previously (softube stuff I think it was), and requested a trial when I already had used one prior, and gotten the message "trial license was already sent to this ilok account" or similar.

That's a major pain for those of us with different people using the same ilok account though.

I'd have thought the demos not counting towards total licences would have been a good idea.

[JimK]

So, maybe I am missing something... since the authorization is stored on your iLOK, the DEMO software was loaded on your PC which means you have to had installed it on that PC.

Software that runs with native authorization (not dongled) knows when the DEMO period is over and won't let you run the software after the demo time period is over. So, why wouldn't the dongled software also know that the trial period is over on the PC side of things when the demo period is over? Seems like the DONGLE wouldn't be required in order to monitor demo time periods, no?

With that said, you SHOULD be able to delete the demo license from your iLOK and still not be able to re-DEMO the software because your PC wouldn't let you.

What I am missing? This is something the software company could do and as such, maybe it is NOT iLOKs fault but rather the software company.

Jim

[The MPCist]

You can't delete them.

It would really nice if iLok could include a 'delete' button next to all expired licenses.......... C'mon, is it that hard?

[work2do]

wish i could delete the expired trials. I would never buy a plug-in again, ever!

[DeadPoet]

FWIW I have two iLoks: one with my PTMP license on it and another one with some plugin licenses on it.
I put the demos on the protools ilok and keep the plugin one 'clean' with only bought stuff.

Having two iLoks is handy in my situation as I have 2 DAWs (one with Cubase which I use exclusively, one with Protools which outside engineers use if they want to) and it enables me to use the plugins on the system in use.



Herwig

[musicbydesign]

Originally Posted by konkaos

wish i could delete the expired trials. I would never buy a plug-in again, ever!

But you still couldn't use another trial on the same ilok username even if you could delete the expired license. The company should only send trial licenses to usernames that haven't already demo'd the product, therefore we should be able to delete expired licenses...........period.


Daniel

[work2do]

Originally Posted by musicbydesign

But you still couldn't use another trial on the same ilok username even if you could delete the expired license. The company should only send trial licenses to usernames that haven't already demo'd the product, therefore we should be able to delete expired licenses...........period.


Daniel

I think that would be something that invite a workaround quite quickly.

IMHO, there aren't more than 10 plug-in bundles that use ilok that are worth having. 20 if u get waves as separate bundles. 100 + slots are alot. Maybe ilok will make a super ilok with 500 slots for those extreme demo folks

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by musicbydesign

But you still couldn't use another trial on the same ilok username even if you could delete the expired license. The company should only send trial licenses to usernames that haven't already demo'd the product, therefore we should be able to delete expired licenses...........period.


Daniel

As I've already pointed out, that isn't workable for some of us - who are also likely to be the bigger customers.

[musicbydesign]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

As I've already pointed out, that isn't workable for some of us - who are also likely to be the bigger customers.

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

a major pain for those of us with different people using the same ilok account though.

.....then so your saying you can re-demo as many times as you have iloks on an account?

Originally Posted by everythinglouder

You can actually hold 118 licenses on a ilok, not 100.

What's up with this, anyone know if this is true?

[YetiHunter]

Call me when there's a legitimate complaint.

[everythinglouder]

I currently have 135 licenses on my iLok.

I dunno what's up, I thought the limit was 118, but it keeps letting me put new demo's and full licenses on it.

[kevaquarian]

Great thread.

I am in conversation with PACE at the moment, trying to get this demo license situation CHANGED! I would invite anyone who feels strongly about this to chime in (again if you've already been here?) and vote big up for:

thumbsupuser removal of expired licensesthumbsup

I will keep you posted when I hear back from them.

Just for your info though, I wrote to some software companies, asking them to remove my expired DLs and they were willing to do it! They just didn't know how to! One of the companies so far that expressed an opinion, totally AGREED with me that users should be able to delete expired DLs.

Right on!

Watch this space....

[kevaquarian]

Originally Posted by musicbydesign

But you still couldn't use another trial on the same ilok username even if you could delete the expired license. The company should only send trial licenses to usernames that haven't already demo'd the product, therefore we should be able to delete expired licenses...........period.


Daniel

Exactly - thanks Daniel