What's the catch with Reaper?

[manning1]

dobz....
reaper is a super fast download and install.
just a few minutes and your recording.
best bet to see if it fits your work flow is to just try it.
there are several ways to set your work flow up and screens.
in the mixer window is an fx button for adding fx etc...and a recording button on each track. the tracks window is where you can move around/edit your traks.
too much to go into.
so just try it. you can even set up your own shortcuts.
a good start would be to read the manual n just do some test recording with it.
without any manual whatsoever..when i started useing it the first time i was recording after a minute or so.

[Vocalvoodoo]

Originally Posted by JeffSanders

You can't crash Reaper.

UNLESS you are using Waves plugs. That is the only thing that has crashed Reaper for me. Big surprise though eh? I AM talking about Waves after all. ha ha

I'm about to jump ship from PT completely. Not to sound too much like a fanboy, but every day I like Reaper more and more. I guess that's not so understandable coming from PT LE where they can't even get their act together enough to include simple functionality that virtually EVERY DAW has besides them. ADC, freeze, etc.

[olzzon]

Reaper is cool, and justin is a nice guy. IMHO.

And no matter how you turn it, reaper is a bargain.

One may not like this and that, but does that differ from other DAWs.
But ask a Cubase guy about ProTools, Or a ProTools guy about Cubase, and you´ll get the excact same answers.

And you can run this at way lower latency than most other DAWs.

[mahasandi]

Originally Posted by bit mangler

exactly!!!!

clearly the dude hasn't done the homework for his propaganda.He doesnt seem to be know who Justin is

Regardless of idealogical preferences here is a quote from Justin who makes Reaper in a rolling stone article:

In many ways, Frankel's future encapsulates the debate over the future of the Internet itself. Does it become just a distribution system for corporate product or more of a way to subvert that corporate control? For Frankel, subversion is in the eye of the beholder. "The question is," he says, "do you think people are ultimately good or bad? Do they want to do the right thing, or do they want to do what's good for them and f ck everyone else? I hope it's not the latter."

Originally Posted by mr. moon

Yeah, but it still looks outdated to me.


...However, with the fukkin minimal CPU hit compared to my primary DAW package and sonic quality I get from Reaper, the GUI doesn't matter to me anymore. I'm even getting used to the workflow and graphics...

-mr moon

How does this look outdated?
It looks better than Cubase in my opinion. And - more is to come.

[mahasandi]

I'am currently moving from my pt rig to reaper.

I found on the reaper forum users have requested pro tools key commands .

The key commmands are customizable to some degree from what i can tell.

This eases the trasnsition from platforms but also opens up the whole customization

thing if your not freelancing, then again you can run reaper off a usb so......


If you use UAD cards they work with Reaper but apparently they don't mesh so well

with the extensive multi processor support reaper has.The cards force the host to olny

use one cell.

UAD would be wise to update their drivers but perhaps have some incentive not to?

I won't buy any of their cards or products until they support my needs as a user.

I done condoning that kind of buisness model i'll take my $$ elsewhere

To be fair maybe they've heard the requests to update their drivers and are working on

it.

If so I will be buying there card and software but until then .......no thanks.

[treymonfauntre]

holy shit, i had no idea this was THAT justin. i used to work for winamp.com back before the buyout!
damn, i guess i better give this a shot now..

[treymonfauntre]

Originally Posted by zwaps

How does this look outdated?
It looks better than Cubase in my opinion. And - more is to come.

i have so many questions to ask about that.. such as, why ogg? and why that teal windows theme?

[mr. moon]

Originally Posted by treymonfauntre

i have so many questions to ask about that.. such as, why ogg?

That is the demo project that comes with the installer ...and there's only so much you can do when the entire installer is only 2.1 MB in size!!

Originally Posted by treymonfauntre

and why that teal windows theme?

That is a good question!



-mr moon

[dobz]

Tried out reaper last night and i really enjoy it!
Must say to everyone it's a great option and i may end up buying it after a week of use!

It has a simple layout that is easy to work at the bus, FX and monitor options are great! Plus i love the skins and color themes really helps get something that works well with your eyes, mood and room if that makes sense.

See you on the reaper forum

[ozraves]

I've been messing around with Reaper. I think the thing I like about it most is that it's got an easy analog logic about it. This may seem like a strange comparison but I remember back a long time ago there was a word processing program for Mac called Write Now. It was an elegant piece of software that was refreshing in that it lacked that bloat and bugs of Microsoft Word or Word Perfect.

[manning1]

just a note re ogg.
it has its uses.
before reaper i had never used ogg.....but kept an open mind.
it has a very important use for me NOW.
i'm a back up fanatic.....backing up to different pc's.
i use older ones for this task...still makes em usefull.
trouble is wave projects are so gimungous...
thus my last line of defense is ogg...which is a big space saver.
once ive finished a song, i render it as an ogg.
this way i can put a number of songs backed up as oggs
to pen usb drives also. and can fit more songs on a usb pen than
a wave project.
for example mywife n i are going out today shopping...n i take my usb pens with me or a dvd....just in case some joker breaks into the house.
in summary ogg is v usefull for me for back ups.

much as i love reaper , i dearly hope it remains affordable for poor musicians
amongst us....or people like me on overtaxed pensions....that suck....lol.
i dearly hope it doesnt go all corporate n pricey etc etc.
within the year...i think its gonna be the market leader at the pace of development. the devs seem absolutely driven type A personalities.
n i dont (well i hope not) think the driver is money.....
but prolly satisfaction in a great product.
version 2 approaching....latest is 1.825 i believe...so 175 versions to go anyway.
in fact i have trouble now figureing what else could be put into rpr as it does everything i need right now. except the midi side needs more facilities for midi centric users.

[sam c]

Originally Posted by Vocalvoodoo

UNLESS you are using Waves plugs. That is the only thing that has crashed Reaper for me. Big surprise though eh? I AM talking about Waves after all. ha ha

i use waves IR1, L3, ren bundle, and musicians bundle with no problem in reaper!

[PDC]

Originally Posted by mersisblue

the catch is

its easier to sell a million copies for 40 then 40 copies for a million

im gonna check it out now .........

Well, the problem with that is the million people are more likely to be novices, with no training in making a record, let alone operating a DAW, with God knows how many configurations of hardware, demanding support, because they are numb nuts, have not read the manual, are using bad gear or all of the above. Check out the forums for the users of these low budget DAWs. You questions like, "How do I plug my SM58 into the wall to get phantom power, to my recording sucks, where's the button to fix it?"

At some point, the guy will have to sell it to keep up support and not be a drain on his life.

Operationally, the thing is combursome. I can get around much quicker in PT, and when it comes to Beat Detective and snapping things to a grid, PT is MUUUUUCH faster/easier.

[mrbowes]

You can't crash Reaper.

Yes you can. I've done it several times.

[mr. moon]

Originally Posted by zwaps

How does this look outdated?

Well, I personally like (and again, this is just a personal preference issue we're discussing here, so there's no "right" or "wrong"), an interface that has a mixer console that has the tracks and mix buses separated. Sure, Reaper allows you to have tracks placed into folders, and then have all the folders shown with tracks hidden, or all folders to the left of the mixer, or everything laid out in a "flat" interface, but there's no way to have a separate mixer panel for tracks, and then one for submixes (folders), and such.

Additionally, the graphics are very basic and 2-dimensional, which is "outdated" by today's standard. While I don't like a super-gaudy 3-D "Aero-esque" interface, I do like a bit of depth to the graphics.

Something like these from another low-cost DAW program out there are OK (links only as the images are too large for proper formatting):
http://www.zynewave.com/images/Screen1.png
http://www.zynewave.com/images/Screen2.png
http://www.zynewave.com/images/Screen3.png
http://www.zynewave.com/images/Screen4.png

Again, we're just talking personal preference issues here, and I would rather have performance over "bling" any day of the week!!

-mr moon

[mahasandi]

Originally Posted by PDC

Well, the problem with that is the million people are more likely to be novices, with no training in making a record, let alone operating a DAW, with God knows how many configurations of hardware, demanding support, because they are numb nuts, have not read the manual, are using bad gear or all of the above. Check out the forums for the users of these low budget DAWs. You questions like, "How do I plug my SM58 into the wall to get phantom power, to my recording sucks, where's the button to fix it?"

At some point, the guy will have to sell it to keep up support and not be a drain on his life.

Operationally, the thing is combursome. I can get around much quicker in PT, and when it comes to Beat Detective and snapping things to a grid, PT is MUUUUUCH faster/easier.

that remains to be seen whether he loses interest,

but the thing is the whole communication of feature requests is done through the forum.

Justin so far is focused on what really needs fixing rather than fielding endless
questions , that seems to take care of itself in the community.

Noobs ask questions and get answers from other users from what i've seen.

though, i gotta hand it to you for the wall outlet p48, tell me you did make that up!

[mahasandi]

If you need a detective to find the beat, something is seriously wrong with the music.


actually beat detective is a neat feature .

i wonder if reaper will get a similar feature

happening ?

In the bigger picture whatever DAW your satisfied working on/with thats gold.

in my situation digi wore out the welcome in many ways; i'am done.

Yet, it is a good app for many reasons.

However i do think rome will fall.

[mr. moon]

Originally Posted by mrbowes

Yes you can. I've done it several times.

Me too. However, thus far for me this has been due to running several instances of various freeware VSTs on larger audio projects that have killed Reaper, as it were, and not Reaper itself ...Remove the offending plugs, and it runs like a champ again!



Additionally, I have observed that Reaper is able to run with significantly less CPU load than my primary DAW application, even at lower latencies!

-mr moon

[DeadPoet]

Trying reaper with two 20" widescreens results in a mess.. Can't read a thing.

I'm used at having arrange window left and mixer/the rest right which isn't possible with reaper. Nice idea but I'll watch from the sideline until at least v2


Herwig

[living sounds]

Exactly my problem with Reaper.

Originally Posted by DeadPoet

Trying reaper with two 20" widescreens results in a mess.. Can't read a thing.

I'm used at having arrange window left and mixer/the rest right which isn't possible with reaper. Nice idea but I'll watch from the sideline until at least v2


Herwig

[ephed]

was mentioned, but no Mac support as yet, otherwise i'd flip PT LE for it

[sekim]

Originally Posted by DeadPoet

Trying reaper with two 20" widescreens results in a mess.. Can't read a thing.

I'm used at having arrange window left and mixer/the rest right which isn't possible with reaper. Nice idea but I'll watch from the sideline until at least v2


Herwig

Works fine here on a pair of 20" Samsungs via Matrox 650. I use Samplitude pro but I keep the Reaper demo around to see how it progresses. I won't be changing anytime soon, but if I were starting from scratch, it looks like a good place to be - especially since they did some upgrading in the SRC department recently.

[Vocalvoodoo]

Originally Posted by sam c

i use waves IR1, L3, ren bundle, and musicians bundle with no problem in reaper!

Yeah, after further investigation, I've found that the DX versions seem to be fine, but the VST's were the ones giving me problems.

[sleepwalker]

What's the catch with Reaper?
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Have you seen it? It's got SAW Studio disease. I just can't get beyond a terrible interface. Not knocking the backend at all because I haven't tried it. The interface prevented me from even downloading it.

I hope he eventually hires a UI guy because I'd definitely give it a chance if it didn't look so tossed together.

I totally understand that it's not what the tools look like, but what they do. Still, I "feel" better working in an environment I feel was designed with me in mind.

[Ravian]

Originally Posted by sleepwalker

What's the catch with Reaper?
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Have you seen it? It's got SAW Studio disease. I just can't get beyond a terrible interface. Not knocking the backend at all because I haven't tried it. The interface prevented me from even downloading it.

I hope he eventually hires a UI guy because I'd definitely give it a chance if it didn't look so tossed together.

I totally understand that it's not what the tools look like, but what they do. Still, I "feel" better working in an environment I feel was designed with me in mind.

people ,cant see if you used a Neve or a berhinger desk when you release a album.
you can hear the diff.

who'd you rather use a EQ that sounds Musical and Sweet or a EQ that just looks out of this world sexy but sound like dfegad ???

than you have 2 tell people , i work'd with a EQ that LOOKS awsome.
insted of people telling you WoW that Album(Tracks) is the F*cking shit.


i rather go for reaper ,than Pro tools LE.

Reaper PDC

PTools LE PDC tutt

Reaper unlimited Tracks and plugs per track

PTools Le unlimited Tracks and plugs per track tutt

Reaper cpu Hogg tutt

PTools LE cpu Hogg

[sonnylarsen]

Originally Posted by sleepwalker

What's the catch with Reaper?
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Have you seen it? It's got SAW Studio disease. I just can't get beyond a terrible interface. Not knocking the backend at all because I haven't tried it. The interface prevented me from even downloading it.

I hope he eventually hires a UI guy because I'd definitely give it a chance if it didn't look so tossed together.

I totally understand that it's not what the tools look like, but what they do. Still, I "feel" better working in an environment I feel was designed with me in mind.

You have to be joking. SAW Studio looks like someone vomited all over the interface. Reaper looks similar to Sony's Vegas or Acid. I admit the original icons that the program defaulted to were not pleasant, but they have since redesigned them and included a bunch of different icon sets and looks into it's color scheme.

Anyway, I suppose if you don't like it, you don't like it.

[dobz]

Well after using reaper for a couple days now messing around with it i dont think i could go back to Cubase or Pro tools LE(have used both) its so easy to use and it runs so smooth and doesn't hog and CPU usage it's great! And i don't know why people are complaining abouts is display. It's simple everything is in front of you and once i messed around and created my own color theme i can relax and enjoy looking at my screen!

manning1.....mr moon .......you have converted me


GO REAPER!!!

[bogeyeater]

yes. i'm a convert too after this thread - thanks everyone - thanks justin!!!

it's a huge deal for me to discover something like this. i'm new-ish to audio DAW's but have been programming on 1040's since god...errr lol. what do i love so much? well, it feels skeletal and strong. no bells and whistles or useless things to crash and annoy me, the look put me off for a bit but after downloading some skins from the forum i've got it looking near as dammit to logic 5

i've been waiting to take the plunge on a DAW rig but the price and bugs and crashes and p)issballing about have stopped me

gonna hit that bradsucks tune outta the park

[SRR]

This is how I use Reaper across two 19" screens, one LCD, one CRT.