Logic 8 ? *merged*

[illynoise]

Isn't it about time?

[Tibbon]

It's not even worth speculation. You won't know until Apple premiers something like that. If it is released, then it is... if not, keep getting work done in Logic 7. You should be able to make music either way. No biggie.

Anyway, we all know that all Apple will do is add new Softsynths, prettier colours to match the newest OS X theme for their professional products, and 8000 new loops.

[statikcat]

Does Apple ever release new Macs at NAMM? (8 cores wink wink)

[audiomichael]

In the keynote address, Jobs said that computer stuff will be in up-comming months. Right now it looks like they don't want to take any thunder away from iPhone and Apple TV.

It might be a bit early for Logic 8, I would think that it'd be more like 7.5

Rumors have been flying for the last year however, that Logic is undergoing a significant rework. Enough so that people have either been fired or quit over it. Also, it is rumored that the old Emagic developers are so unhappy that they stopped developing. I hope this is all exagerations.

It's been over a year since Logic had a 'real' update. I hope they've got something to show at NAMM.

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by statikcat

Does Apple ever release new Macs at NAMM? (8 cores wink wink)

Likely not. I'm not sure what the next big show is, but Apple has been preferring to put out big things at "Their" events, where all of the press will be on them

[Tibbon]

I'd really love an 8-core however, not for music (as I REALLY don't think I'm gonna use that many softsynths or reverb plugins.... as I don't really like using either if I can save it..)

I just got a new digital camera, and Aperture is KILLING my MDD 1.25 G4. Yea, i've got it full of memory (2gb), but it's not even supposed to be able to run on this machine (hexediting did the trick...). Damn 20mb RAW files...

Ok, I don't NEED the 8-core machine, but if i'm going to buy something... I want to get the most for my money.

[steff3]

isn't Namm show where they normally announce deals like:

if you have Final Cut Studio you get Logic for free as it is now part of Final Cut Studio - as Logic User you can Update for US$800 - if you want to update to Logic 8 later this yeat - which by then is a integral part of Final Cut Studio 6 you'd better go for that excellent deal. :-)

best

[Rufuss Sewell]

I don't think they'll release anything short of amazing for Logic 8. I'm guessing they'll eliminate all the confusing crap and deliver most of the features everyone has been asking for in a nice shiny new GUI. Then everyone will buy 8 core Mac's, Symphony, and Apogee converters. I'm also thinking it will include some revolutionary application that makes editing audio as simple as editing MIDI. This is purely wishful thinking, but with the money Apple has right now it wouldn't surprise me. A matrix editor for any audio track. It has the ability to recognize notes within a chord and allow you to change every aspect of them including pitch, timing, volume, and tone. It would also be able to do seemingly impossible things like correct the phase of multi mic'ed sources. For example it could recognize the snare bleed in the kick drum track and allow you to move it into phase with the snare track without effecting the kick timing. You double click on the kick track and all of the other drums that bleed into the kick mic will show up as notes on the matrix. You then simply move them, increase or decrease their velocity, quantize, what have you. Or you could simply remove the snare from the kick track by erasing it without effecting the tone of the kick itself what-so-ever. How about tuning only the G string of an acoustic guitar. I imagine a simple AI type algorithm could pull it off. Maybe you need to define the notes first. Say you play the snare at three different velocities and from then on Logic recognizes the harmonic signature of the snare. Completely non-linear wave files. It would pretty much instantly make all other music apps obsolete. And I think Apple could do it. Extremely unlikely... but remotely possible.

My money's on Logic 8 at Namm '07. But I'm guessing that if what they have now doesn't at least completely outperform Pro Tools they'll wait until it does rather than release some of it in a 7.5 just to hold us over. I'm sure they want the biggest wow factor possible when they release Logic 8.

But I'm not a fool and accept that Apple just may leave us with some lame DAW that might as well be called Garage Band Pro. I'll be bummed, but probably still stick with my current 90% Logic 7/ 10% Pro Tools approach.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for my initial description being unveiled next week!

[XHipHop]

It won't be released before the next os...

[Rufuss Sewell]

I'm actually hoping it won't be released until Leopard is released. I want Logic 8 optimized for 64 bit, time machine and all that jazz. But I want an announcement with some details. I know Apple doesn't like to talk about stuff before the release date, but they did announce the iPhone 6 months early. They also announced 7.2 at Namm last year, several months before release.

A nifty $20 7.3 for bug fixes. A nice infomercial type announcement of Logic 8 to make everyone drool and hold off on that new 003... or 002 Pro or whatever, while at the same time offering free upgrades to those who purchase Logic 7 after January 19th. I think that would satisfy just about everyone, and keep people from jumping to whatever else comes out at Namm, without losing Logic sales in the mean time.

Not that Apple will do it, but it would be nice!

[Mac-dee]

hey all i have apogee symphony + rosetta as my convertor/audio interface ........ thing is in logic 7.2.3 i had problems getting 176 and 192 working and heaps more crashs in logic the apple team correct it all and have logic smooth on the intels

[ersheff]

I also expect Logic 8 to be a big change.
Isn't 7 pretty similar to 6 (I've never used anything earlier than 7)?
Logic 7 is so far from what a piece of Apple software usually looks like.
It's NOT simple and intuitive like almost everything else they make.
My guess is that for 7, they didn't really have the time to completely re-tool it into a truly "Apple" program. I can't imagine that they will NOT overhaul it big time for the next big release.
Also, I highly doubt it will be dumbed down power-wise in the process. Apple seems pretty serious about their Pro apps, and I'm sure they recognize that Logic actually has a rather high installed base in DAW users.

[paddo]

Been with logic from the first incarnation after creator on the Atari and the GUI is pretty much the same.Apart from anything else like bug fixes etc would be nice for them to give us better routing and a more elegant interface.Sadly after seeing there priorities at there own show (everthing came second to the iphone) Its gonna be about megabucks products.I reckon logic is something they have to service rather than a priority hope i,m wrong.



Paddo

[clonewar]

Originally Posted by XHipHop

It won't be released before the next os...

But it could be announced at NAMM for a spring/summer release to coincide with Leopard. Like Rufuss said, that would hold off people jumping ship in the mean time. Plus, it would give those of us who are considering leaving the Windows world for a Mac Pro / Logic setup a lot more to sway their desicion.

[Big Boss Man]

I think they are doing a major overhaul. Logic 8 should be a Pro Tools killer. Super low latency with the Apogee Symphony card. Whole new interface. It might not be ready for NAMM, but definitely some time this year. If I am wrong, they might as well give up and just rename it Garage Band Pro.

[Roger Starr]

Originally Posted by Big Boss Man

I think they are doing a major overhaul. Logic 8 should be a Pro Tools killer. Super low latency with the Apogee Symphony card. Whole new interface. It might not be ready for NAMM, but definitely some time this year. If I am wrong, they might as well give up and just rename it Garage Band Pro.

... if nothing serious will come out this year it's a sinking ship or GarageBandPro, that is Nuendo or ProTools...

Also, if the original Emagic programmers are unhappy and part of them would have left the company, this would be fairly known in the forum gossip circuit isn't?

Regards,

Roger

[quincyg]

Originally Posted by clonewar

But it could be announced at NAMM for a spring/summer release to coincide with Leopard. Like Rufuss said, that would hold off people jumping ship in the mean time.

i already jumped ship. i needed a working app now, not pipe dreams. if logic 8 does come along soon and is solid and stable i will think about jumping back. the sooner the better.

[clonewar]

Originally Posted by quincyg

i already jumped ship. i needed a working app now, not pipe dreams. if logic 8 does come along soon and is solid and stable i will think about jumping back. the sooner the better.

I've seen your posts about moving from Logic to DP. Right now I'm at the point of building a new DAW and am seriously thinking about a Mac Pro. I like OSX but the real reason I'm interested is for the midi power of Logic and the fact that the OS is 64 bit now and with Leopard the apps will be able support a lot of ram too. I want to be able to run large sample templates all in one box and it looks like we're about there. Windows is moving to 64 bit with x64 and Vista 64, but the driver and application support is not all there yet and I'm worried that the Vista ride could get bumpy.

The Mac Pro will cost around $1000 more for a less powerful machine then I can build in a pc (especially when it comes to the video card).. and all of the parts that I buy will have either 3 year or lifetime warranties, without having to pay extra for Apple's extended warranty.

I'm hoping that they roll Logic 8 out and it makes the decision really easy..

[vixapphire]

Originally Posted by Rufuss Sewell

I don't think they'll release anything short of amazing for Logic 8. I'm guessing they'll eliminate all the confusing crap and deliver most of the features everyone has been asking for in a nice shiny new GUI. Then everyone will buy 8 core Mac's, Symphony, and Apogee converters. I'm also thinking it will include some revolutionary application that makes editing audio as simple as editing MIDI. This is purely wishful thinking, but with the money Apple has right now it wouldn't surprise me. A matrix editor for any audio track. It has the ability to recognize notes within a chord and allow you to change every aspect of them including pitch, timing, volume, and tone. It would also be able to do seemingly impossible things like correct the phase of multi mic'ed sources. For example it could recognize the snare bleed in the kick drum track and allow you to move it into phase with the snare track without effecting the kick timing. You double click on the kick track and all of the other drums that bleed into the kick mic will show up as notes on the matrix. You then simply move them, increase or decrease their velocity, quantize, what have you. Or you could simply remove the snare from the kick track by erasing it without effecting the tone of the kick itself what-so-ever. How about tuning only the G string of an acoustic guitar. I imagine a simple AI type algorithm could pull it off. Maybe you need to define the notes first. Say you play the snare at three different velocities and from then on Logic recognizes the harmonic signature of the snare. Completely non-linear wave files. It would pretty much instantly make all other music apps obsolete. And I think Apple could do it. Extremely unlikely... but remotely possible.

I love that list!

Of course, the program will likely take 5-8 hours to accomplish any of those operations, running on 8-core; older macs like my G5 will require at least 2 weeks to accomplish them!

[ToddS]

I'm hoping for a NAMM release as well. I have been dying to replace Pro Tools with an Apogee Symphony rig (already own an AD/DA-16X) but things like tab to transient keep me in pro tools. Beat detective would be awesome too.....

[Roger Starr]

Originally Posted by clonewar

I've seen your posts about moving from Logic to DP. Right now I'm at the point of building a new DAW and am seriously thinking about a Mac Pro. I like OSX but the real reason I'm interested is for the midi power of Logic and the fact that the OS is 64 bit now and with Leopard the apps will be able support a lot of ram too. I want to be able to run large sample templates all in one box and it looks like we're about there. Windows is moving to 64 bit with x64 and Vista 64, but the driver and application support is not all there yet and I'm worried that the Vista ride could get bumpy.

The Mac Pro will cost around $1000 more for a less powerful machine then I can build in a pc (especially when it comes to the video card).. and all of the parts that I buy will have either 3 year or lifetime warranties, without having to pay extra for Apple's extended warranty.

I'm hoping that they roll Logic 8 out and it makes the decision really easy..

Check Cubase4 too, very much worth while considering actually...

Regards,

Roger

[quincyg]

if they do roll out a logic 8 which is a major overhaul, then the question will be how stable and bug free it is. may take a bit to sort out new bugs.

[barryjohns]

Look guys, I've got the inside scoop.

It's a scoop.......of vanilla

[quincyg]

but seriously folks.

[Jazzpunk]

I love how people keep expecting Apple to unveil the almighty 'Pro Tools' killer. Digi keeps adding new features while Jobs keeps wheeling out the iCrap.

[paddo]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

I love how people keep expecting Apple to unveil the almighty 'Pro Tools' killer. Digi keeps adding new features while Jobs keeps wheeling out the iCrap.

So true if digi implemented any kind of delay comp on LE and wrote some decent drivers they would have a Logic 8 killer


Paddo

[illynoise]

I would just like to be able to auto record engage a track when I click on that track.
This is the one feature, (like in Sonar, where there's no auto input quantize!)


!!!!

Logic 8 will be a monster I bet!

[Rufuss Sewell]

Right... we'll just let the track count limits, proprietary hardware, and lame excuse for midi slide.

It's pretty silly to compare M-Powered and LE to Logic. I owned an HD system for over a year and in my opinion I felt crippled with Pro Tools HD compared to Logic. I sold it and have an M-Powered system with the production toolkit now just for compatibility and multi channel Beat Detective. It's pretty much a joke compared to the abilities Logic gives me.

But at the same time I hear you. Digidesign is a big company whose focus is DAWs. Apple is a big company with a great DAW who pretty much ignores it. What they announce tomorrow will make or break a LOT of people's faith in Apple to maintain the greatness of Logic. If they don't wow me, and Digi comes out with an even better product, I'll probably get back into the high end side of Digi.

Either way, they both continue to allow me to make great albums, so I really can't complain. Namm is like Christmas and it's fun to daydream so why not?

[Ashermusic]

I would be surprised (pleasantly) if we see anything on Logic 8 tomorrow at NAMM other than possibly screenshots. I think Leopard will have to preceed it.

No insider info, just my guess.

[Tibbon]

As I'm sure everyone feels:

I hate Logic's audio, but I LOVE it's midi.

I love protool's audio, but it's midi is a joke!

Sysex faders anyone?