Logic 8 ? *merged*

[jon2911]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

Whatever man, he might be right, infact let´s hope that he is

Ha, don't mean to sound like I'm arguing with you. I'm actually fairly convinced that Apple bought Emagic to make Garageband, has let Logic Pro limp along for years, and will make it into an app for musicians and not Pro Audio Engineers (half-way there already IMO).

Isn't it sad when some obscure blog is the only glimmer of hope otherwise?

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by jon2911

Isn't it sad when some obscure blog is the only glimmer of hope otherwise?

I think they take the pro market seriously, heres some facts. (witch Im sure you know)

http://www.apogeedigital.com/product...erformance.php

[Macaroni]

I'm actually fairly convinced that Apple bought Emagic to make Garageband, has let Logic Pro limp along for years, and will make it into an app for musicians and not Pro Audio Engineers (half-way there already IMO).

Too bad your convictions are not based on any reality that remotely resembles Apple's usual methodology for high end products. What ridiculous speculation. You are obviously completely out of touch with how Apple does things.

There's not much difference between pro musicians and pro audio engineers these days, in case you hadn't noticed. It's all one game now, except for big time film mixing.

[Raygun]

Originally Posted by jon2911

I'm actually fairly convinced that Apple bought Emagic to make Garageband, has let Logic Pro limp along for years, and will make it into an app for musicians and not Pro Audio Engineers (half-way there already IMO).

It doesn't make sense to me whatsoever. Buy Emagic and one of the most used and beloved DAW:s on the market, just to be able to make Garageband and then not care at all about Logic? Make Logic into an app for musicians only? Then what is Garageband for and why did they make that?

I don't see why one would suspect that Apple wants to make their audio segment less pro oriented than any of their other segments. Especially when they have bought an existing pro app.. why degrade it? When you already have had a pretty good consumer product (Garageband) available for years? In fact, Garageband - Logic (or whatever they'll call it) feels like a very logical equivalent of iMovie - Final Cut Pro. For example.

Now if they completely re-write the whole thing and change it drastically, it might turn into a shitty program. It might also be great. We'll see..
Point is that I think Apple's ambitions are high and that there are few reasons to believe anything else.

[Macaroni]

The problem with forums like this, is that anyone can post their ridiculous, completely unfounded, out in left field, having nothing to do with reality, idiotic opinions, which takes the discussion away from something relevant, useful and intelligent.

Of course Apple didn't buy Logic just to make Garage Band, and leave the pro audio market, and saying such insane crap like this reveals that they clearly know nothing about business or Apple - it's moronic and foolish. They just want to bitch and moan and reveal their ignorance.

Yah, Apple has partnered with Apogee so Garage Band can use 3 Symphony cards, and the rest of the competition's DAWs can take advantage of that to crush Logic, while Logic will be left alone to languish, full of bugs.

Guys, if you don't have anything valuable to contribute to these threads, then just stop wasting bandwidth with the nonsense junk in your head.

tutt

[DJE356]

Hi guys,

As i told you in my precedent post Mr Philippe Brodu (the frenchman) was the Logic representative here in France during the Emagic times and the fact than Apple themselves ask him to stop speaking about the futur of Logic on his blog is the sign than he put his finger where he should not.

Ps: sorry for my poor english, it's not my native tong (and i'm 100% native, no DSP )

[noiseflaw]

Let's hope the finger of Mr Philippe Brodu (the Frenchman) was exactly where it should have been - right on the pulse of Apple's future developments for Logic Pro.

Vive La France, Magnifique!

[DJE356]

I think it was!

[Fredrik]

It´s known that apple has a touchscreen patent (iphone I guess), others are working on this as well, Jeff Han has a presentation up on youtube and it has been
posted here twice, really cool stuff. But how and when and if this will be incorporated in a apple product is impossible to tell IMO, I think this stuff is mostly in research still.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esDhF...elated&search=

The nasa map program (world wind) that is shown in the clip is windows only BTW.


I was tempted to put up some link to a site claiming the moonlanding never occurred or similar.

[jon2911]

Originally Posted by DJE356

As i told you in my precedent post Mr Philippe Brodu (the frenchman) was the Logic representative here in France during the Emagic times and the fact than Apple themselves ask him to stop speaking about the futur of Logic on his blog is the sign than he put his finger where he should not.

Yep, that might be right, and it will be fun to watch either way

I gotta say, this thread has made me very interested in Logic's future. Macaroni, don't know why my comments tick you off so much. Isn't it obvious that Apple has focused on Garageband more than Logic for the past few years? I never said that won't change, and it may change soon. We're all just sharing opinions...

[vanamp]

I have not been following this thread so I am sorry if this has been posted already.


Its from Page 2 of macrumors.com

http://page2.macrumors.com/


Revamped Logic On The Way? [Updated]

Wednesday February 28, 2007 12:21 PM EST
Posted by longofest
According to a blog posting (translated from original French version) getting increasing interest around the Mac web, Apple's professional audio workstation product, Logic, is being redesigned. The new version, reportedly set to use a different name, is supposedly heavily dependent on Mac OS 10.5 "Leopard" features, and will require the new OS to run. Also mentioned is the possibility of Apple using previous patents in the new version to provide tactile feedback.

According to the site, the revamped version would be launched at Frankfurt's MusikMesse, which runs from March 28-31. However, Apple currently does not plan to attend MusikMesse.

At the present time, we do not feel these claims have much substance, and post them to page 2 for interest's sake only.

Update: While Apple's upcoming events page does not list MusikMesse, it does appear as though Apple has rented out three boths at the event.



It also links to some patents apple has filed for. Apple files for many patents that they never use. I hope this one has NOTHING to do with logic.

here is the patent image

[Macaroni]

Macaroni, don't know why my comments tick you off so much. Isn't it obvious that Apple has focused on Garageband more than Logic for the past few years? I never said that won't change, and it may change soon. We're all just sharing opinions...

Jon, it wasn't your comments per se, but the cumulative weight of all the negativity about Logic and Apple in this thread and others. Yours was the proverbial straw on the camel's back. No offense intended, but my points still stand.

Yes of course, everyone is entitled to express their opinions, but that doesn't mean that all opinions have to be accepted or even respected. If we want to have a useful discussion, then we should at least base speculation on some factual or logical basis, whereas, many negative statements are often just people dropping mental turds on Apple and Logic because they're pissed off with something. Someone on this thread bitched about Sample Rate Conversion not working in Logic, but I just finished editing/mixing/mastering a project, that was recorded at 88.2, and I did SRC down to 44.1 and it sounds great. Go figure. I had no big problems with Logic that prevented me from doing everything I needed to complete the project.

They reveal a complete lack of understanding of where Apple has been, what Apple is doing now, and what they've indicated about the future, given all the incredible technological advances that continue to manifest on a regular basis.

Case in point - Did anyone not get blown away by the iPhone and what it portends for the future of cell phones and hand held devices? It's a perfect example of how Apple doesn't try to copy existing standards just to keep up. They always go to another level and leap frog the competition, causing all others to have to play catch up. Does anyone see any stiff competition for the iPod?

Look at the iPod and how it left everyone in the dust. Look at how Final Cut has garnered a big market share and redefined that professional arena, re high level functionality at an accessible price point.

Look at how they adopted Intel chips, which leveled the hardware playing field. No more - my PC is faster than your Mac - HA HA. Now the limitations and integration issues of Windoze + PCs are even more starkly exposed, considering the high standard of hardware/software integration you get with OSX and a Mac.

The reason Apple hasn't done much with Logic is so completely obvious if you understand Apple. They've been working on the next generation, blow everyone away, version of Logic, which will necessarily incorporate many unique features of OSX 10.5 Leopard, as well as benefit from the dual quad cores coming very soon. It all makes perfect sense and fits perfectly with everything else that Apple is doing on all other professional software fronts.

I defy anyone here to present convincing logic (pun intended), based on the facts of Apple's track record, past and present, to prove otherwise. If your speculation is not based on reality, then it's just mental masturbation, which I'd personally rather not be exposed to. The French blog was a very useful contribution, and was based on a reasonable perspective of Apple's reality.

You can't develop a "ProTools Killer" by just 'copying' the exact features of ProTools and going, "Ha ha, we're the same as you now, but cheaper!". That's not what Apple does. That's what everyone else often does with Apple's innovations, eg: Microsoft, etc.

Just look at the amazing advances incorporated in iPhone, and you can easily extrapolate what they're doing with Logic + OSX Leopard + dual quad cores = blow everyone else away by a big margin.

Yes, Apple is a big public corporation and must make money for its shareholders, but if you know Steve Jobs, you know he doesn't really care much about money per se, but he is totally into creating unbelievable, ground breaking hardware and software products that go beyond everyone's expectations. By doing that consistently, he has made money too, so it's a win/win/win for everyone.

[needlz]

sold.

[Roger Starr]

I'll buy it if it really comes out and makes the above mentioned promised complete!

So far, all just speculations and partly daydreaming.

It's all UDO, completely UDO = Unidentified Daw Object... Do you have a picture, do have some video? I believe it when I see it...

Roger

[arimaka]

Macaroni said it better than I could have ever dreamed about saying it.

Most of the people that diss the current version of logic are people who have never used it, or just barely used it. FWIW it's extremely stable; much more than my F*ing Pro Tools LE which gives me CPU error when I am recording at 128 buffer (recording 1 overdub track over 20 or so existing tracks; with logic I can record 12 tracks over 40 existing with a buffer of 64 and it won't even twitch). My pt LE also can't take the midi bandwidth to handle 24 faders of mackie control universal, which logic runs beautifully.

I run logic 7.1.1 and it's pretty damn stable, and when it does crash it's usually because of an 3-rd party plugin (UAD plugs, tritone digital, etc)...

So yes, like macaroni i believe that even people that diss the current version of logic are just talkin out of their ass.

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by arimaka

....

So yes, like macaroni i believe that even people that diss the current version of logic are just talkin out of their ass.

fuuck

[Macaroni]

So far, all just speculations and partly daydreaming. It's all UDO, completely UDO = Unidentified Daw Object... Do you have a picture, do have some video? I believe it when I see it...

Yes of course it is just speculation, but at least my conjectures are founded on reasonable assumptions, based solidly on Apple's past, present, and indicated future goals/objectives, and current technologies.

Like I said, I'm waiting for anyone to pose an alternate/opposite scenario based on similar solid facts.

[Ashermusic]

IMHO this kind of speculating is a waste of time but folks if it turns you on fine. I opt out.

[barryjohns]

Originally Posted by arimaka

Macaroni said it better than I could have ever dreamed about saying it.

Most of the people that diss the current version of logic are people who have never used it, or just barely used it. FWIW it's extremely stable; much more than my F*ing Pro Tools LE which gives me CPU error when I am recording at 128 buffer (recording 1 overdub track over 20 or so existing tracks; with logic I can record 12 tracks over 40 existing with a buffer of 64 and it won't even twitch). My pt LE also can't take the midi bandwidth to handle 24 faders of mackie control universal, which logic runs beautifully.

I run logic 7.1.1 and it's pretty damn stable, and when it does crash it's usually because of an 3-rd party plugin (UAD plugs, tritone digital, etc)...

So yes, like macaroni i believe that even people that diss the current version of logic are just talkin out of their ass.

Well I guess my Butt has something to say. I agree with most post here that are critical of Logic Pro. I used it for over 2 years and finally said forget it!!!! My opinion is only for those that primarily record audio, which is where Logic fails miserably compared to Protools. I have gone back to protools now and find it so much more fluent. Just doing something as simple as adding a new audio track in Logic was crazy-stupid-difficult.

Trust me, I want Logic to be so much better than it is today, but for right now, Protools LE blows it away in functionality and ease of recording AUDIO.

[Macaroni]

IMHO this kind of speculating is a waste of time

Agreed.

But after seeing so many ridiculous statements and complaints, I felt I had to make at least a counter statement to represent an alternate view that was based on some well founded ideas.

[Macaroni]

Just doing something as simple as adding a new audio track in Logic was crazy-stupid-difficult.

Trust me, I want Logic to be so much better than it is today, but for right now, Protools LE blows it away in functionality and ease of recording AUDIO.

I don't know how you're doing it, but adding a new audio track is about the easiest thing to do in Logic for me. In fact, for me, just about everything I do in Logic is very simple, intuitive and straight forward. Granted, I don't have a complex MIDI setup, but as far as recording tracks, fine-tune editing, mixing and mastering - it's a breeze for me.

What problems are you having?

[barryjohns]

Let's say I've got 20 tracks already recorded and that's all I setup when I started the session. Now I want to add another track, for some reason, it copies the same setup as the track right before the one I copy. It assigns it the same track number as the previous track, vice automatically assigning the next available track. Also there are times when I add a new track and it does not show up on the mixer. It drives me crazy as well that when I reorganize tracks in one window, it does not do so in the mixer window.

My only work around for the adding track issue was to start a session with 64 tracks and then hide a bunch of them, as I need them, unhide them.

Ctrl/Shit/N is all you need to do in protools, so darn easy. Keep in mind that this fundamental stuff.

[bleen]

Originally Posted by barryjohns

Let's say I've got 20 tracks already recorded and that's all I setup when I started the session. Now I want to add another track, for some reason, it copies the same setup as the track right before the one I copy. It assigns it the same track number as the previous track, vice automatically assigning the next available track. Also there are times when I add a new track and it does not show up on the mixer. It drives me crazy as well that when I reorganize tracks in one window, it does not do so in the mixer window.

My only work around for the adding track issue was to start a session with 64 tracks and then hide a bunch of them, as I need them, unhide them.

Ctrl/Shit/N is all you need to do in protools, so darn easy. Keep in mind that this fundamental stuff.

Because Logic can have multiple instances of the same "track object", that's what you are doing when you add a new track with your method. Look in your Key Commands window for "Create Track" and "Create Track with next Instrument". I have mine set to Shift+Return for "Create Track" when need a duplicate of the current object, and CTRL+Shift+Return for "Create Track with next Instrument" when I need "Audio Track 25" after I've used up the 24 visible in my Autoload.

Two key commands, as many tracks as I need.

[arimaka]

Originally Posted by barryjohns

Let's say I've got 20 tracks already recorded and that's all I setup when I started the session. Now I want to add another track, for some reason, it copies the same setup as the track right before the one I copy. It assigns it the same track number as the previous track, vice automatically assigning the next available track. Also there are times when I add a new track and it does not show up on the mixer. It drives me crazy as well that when I reorganize tracks in one window, it does not do so in the mixer window.

My only work around for the adding track issue was to start a session with 64 tracks and then hide a bunch of them, as I need them, unhide them.

Ctrl/Shit/N is all you need to do in protools, so darn easy. Keep in mind that this fundamental stuff.

Create track with next instrument my friend.
Just because you don't know how to use the software doesn't mean it doesn't work.

[barryjohns]

Originally Posted by arimaka

Create track with next instrument my friend.
Just because you don't know how to use the software doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Look, I don't want to get into an argument with you. But I just went back into logic, pulled up a song I worked on and selected create Track with Next Instrument from the Track toolbar in the arrange window. It created a new track with an already assigned track number, copied the track Icon I had on the previous track. The newly created track as assigned Track 1. There are 7 audio tracks on this song as well as several logic synths. Now when I added the new track, it should have crated a new track and assigned it to Track 8, the real next available track and not duplicated an Track assigned to Track 1.

[mersisblue]

I belkieve that command is dependant on the track you have selectyed

so select track 7 and see if it creates track 8

[H-Rezz]

Originally Posted by barryjohns

Let's say I've got 20 tracks already recorded and that's all I setup when I started the session. Now I want to add another track, for some reason, it copies the same setup as the track right before the one I copy. It assigns it the same track number as the previous track, vice automatically assigning the next available track. Also there are times when I add a new track and it does not show up on the mixer. It drives me crazy as well that when I reorganize tracks in one window, it does not do so in the mixer window.

My only work around for the adding track issue was to start a session with 64 tracks and then hide a bunch of them, as I need them, unhide them.

Ctrl/Shit/N is all you need to do in protools, so darn easy. Keep in mind that this fundamental stuff.

Hold 'Shift-control' and press 'return' will give you a new fresh track, what is so difficult ?

Folders can seperate drum tracks from voc tracks from synth tracks, what is so difficult , they are all 1 selection clicks ....

Sounds more like pilot error , now the plane is to blame

After owning P.Tools for 8 years along side Logic for the life of me i cann't understand how recording Audio into Logic is more difficult or not as good as P.Tools . organizing tracks in Logic is a piece of cake ....

If you want to simulate playlists just leave your Audio window open on another screen .......

Hope some of the above gave you some ideas

[Rufuss Sewell]

Look, Logic is a professional app. If you want to use it you should get professional training, or at least crack open the manual before you complain. It is completely simple to make new tracks in Logic if you know how to use the program.

The fact is, a huge amount of people record audio with Logic no problem. I have had Logic and Pro Tools for about the same amount of time. I had an HD system, and Logic works better for me with audio. They both work fine, but Logic gives me more options, so I prefer it. I sold the HD system and replaced it with M-Powered/Production Toolkit.

The reason Logic has a bad rep when it comes to audio has more to do with the lack of sample accurate editing in the arrange page, weird handling of automation with regard to copied regions, and it's seemingly random way of handling overlapping tracks. Sometimes it plays a region that you can't even see. But you just learn how to avoid those situations and your fine. Pro Tools has plenty of disadvantages too. For example, you can't batch fade several hundred regions with different values for fade in and fade out. In Logic that's simple, which is the #1 reason I prefer it of Pro Tools. I slice and dice drums into every single hit. That's just how I work, so I need to fade in at 1 ms and out at 300 ms for hundreds of regions at a time. Pro Tools won't do this so it's audio editing is useless for me.

Just one small example of how Logic can out-perform Pro Tools. There are many others... and vice versa.

[mersisblue]

Originally Posted by Reptil

fuuck

fuuck fuuck

I own Logic Pro 7

Logic 7.0 was useless

And I refuse to Update to a forced update of 7.2.3

7.1 was forced but ... I called apple and asked for a refund more then once

I was put on hold indefinately

dfegad 7.0

[mersisblue]

i think you'll see 2 apps ..... but what do i know