Logic 8 ? *merged*

[Dom & Roland]

Hahaha!!!

[NoVi]

Originally Posted by kmshroom

I've spoken directly to Gehrard L. (I forget his last name exactly, something like Langling or whatever), who is the head of all audio dev (head of eMagic), and he said GB is the exact same Logic code, just with a different GUI cover and limitations written in.

dr. Gerhard Lengeling

I remember talking to him at the Frankfurter Messe around 1994 and explaining all the issues I had with the Logic interface at that moment, not knowing who he was. After the conversation he gave me his business card and oops then I realized who i had been talking to.

[mersisblue]

Originally Posted by Macaroni

No they don't! The margins in computer hardware are not that great. It only works if you sell millions of them. Apple is not selling millions of Macs because of ProTools.
.

well .... you have to agree that their number of logic sales DEPENDS on mac sales

IE you can not run software without the computer ...so hardware is top priority

And software ( and lots of it .. meaning OPTIONS of DAWS ) sells macs

[Macaroni]

well .... you have to agree that their number of logic sales DEPENDS on mac sales

IE you can not run software without the computer ...so hardware is top priority

And software ( and lots of it .. meaning OPTIONS of DAWS ) sells macs

Yes of course. My main point was that there are literally millions of musicians who are potential DAW users, and all of the top DAWs run on a Mac, as well as a PC.

And now both Macs & PCs use the same Intel chips, so no more, "my PC is faster/better than your Mac" arguments. OSX is clearly the best OS for audio/video apps - Vista still has a ways to go to prove it can keep up, considering it was just released, vs OSX has matured over many years.

The Logic team has an advantage over other DAW companies, because they have the inside track on OS & hardware developments - more power to them and us.

Every major/significant computer innovation over the years - both hardware and software has been from Apple.

[DJE356]

Hi everyone, i'm new here but Logic freak for years i have some reliable news about the futur of this software.

I recently connect to the blog of Philippe Brodu who was the Logic french representative during the Emagic time and still be very close with Dr Lengling.

There will be no Logic 8!!!!!

The new app will have a new name.
They are working on it for 5 years and it will be out this year.
It will be a "Pro Tools Killer" with a Logic feel but in a new user interface and take advantage of OSX.5 (it will need it and don't work on X.4 or prior) and new Apple hardware (touch screen display!).

For those of us who understand french:
http://phbrodu.free.fr/

More info: no more xskey and no more envirronement

[DrDeltaM]

Originally Posted by DJE356

Hi everyone, i'm new here but Logic freak for years i have some reliable news about the futur of this software.

I recently connect to the blog of Philippe Brodu who was the Logic french representative during the Emagic time and still be very close with Dr Lengling.

There will be no Logic 8!!!!!

The new app will have a new name.
They are working on it for 5 years and it will be out this year.
It will be a "Pro Tools Killer" with a Logic feel but in a new user interface and take advantage of OSX.5 (it will need it and don't work on X.4 or prior) and new Apple hardware (touch screen display!).

For those of us who understand french:
http://phbrodu.free.fr/

More info: no more xskey and no more envirronement

How's that for a first post

If what you say is true, there's plenty reason to get excited

The French blog sounds promising anyway. According to them, Lengeling filed several patents concerning touch-screen operated music software.

[StaticStudios]

Oh my god!
A brand new App on a brand new OS. This should be real fun!

Should be all set to run in a pro environment this time next year. Thats if its released this spring.

[needlz]

Originally Posted by DJE356

Hi everyone, i'm new here but Logic freak for years i have some reliable news about the futur of this software.

I recently connect to the blog of Philippe Brodu who was the Logic french representative during the Emagic time and still be very close with Dr Lengling.

There will be no Logic 8!!!!!

The new app will have a new name.
They are working on it for 5 years and it will be out this year.
It will be a "Pro Tools Killer" with a Logic feel but in a new user interface and take advantage of OSX.5 (it will need it and don't work on X.4 or prior) and new Apple hardware (touch screen display!).
More info: no more xskey and no more envirronement
http://phbrodu.free.fr/

For those of us who don't speako the french...
http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools


Translation of the follow up commentary:
http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools


I gotta call BS on this. I would be pretty pissed off if news about an app being coded by friends in me-own back yard is broken to me by someone in France. No disrespect to the fine people of France.

[DrDeltaM]

Originally Posted by needlz

I gotta call BS on this. I would be pretty pissed off if news about an app being coded by friends in me-own back yard is broken to me by someone in France. No disrespect to the fine people of France.

Don't forget Emagic was a European company. It's not unlikely there are still many connections between former Emagic people now working at Apple and their homeplaces in Europe.

[MattiMattMatt]

Originally Posted by needlz

I gotta call BS on this. I would be pretty pissed off if news about an app being coded by friends in me-own back yard is broken to me by someone in France. No disrespect to the fine people of France.

FWIW, Stephen St. Croix also believed something like this was going on. Whether this work would turn into Logic 8, a new application or a future development of Soundtrack was not clear, but he was convinced that Apple was hard at work on a ProTools killer.

[needlz]

Perhaps but calling bullshizen and displaying blind national pride is more fun.

[DrDeltaM]

FWIW, here's a list with patents filed by Gerhard Lengeling:

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...ngeling&d=PG01

The patent info in that French blog seems to be correct at least

[Wiggum, Ralph]

WOW

If this is true, count me in!!!

[Macaroni]

There will be no Logic 8!!!!!

The new app will have a new name.
They are working on it for 5 years and it will be out this year.
It will be a "Pro Tools Killer" with a Logic feel but in a new user interface and take advantage of OSX.5 (it will need it and don't work on X.4 or prior) and new Apple hardware (touch screen display!).

This sounds 'exactly' like what I've been saying/speculating, and that would be precisely the kind of thing that Apple loves to do to blow everyone away for real - not just hype.

[Reptil]

"And now for something completely different"

LOL

[Dr Gruv]

When your right - Your right... :)

Music patents for apps....

note the virtual mixer via multitouch

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...ngeling&d=PG01

damn i'm good ;) i made the prediction when the iphone came out

[initialsBB]

This one sounds sweet although I'm sure we'll never see it in a real product:

Method and apparatus for simulating a mechanical keyboard action in an electronic keyboard

Abstract

An electronic keyboard simulates the keyboard action of one or more acoustic pianos and/or organs. Sensors associated with each key capture the force exerted on the key, the speed of the key and the position of the key to compute an amount of force to apply in feedback to the depressed key. An actuator associated with each key provides the computed feedback value as a counter-force to the player's finger pressure. Feedback may be computed in one or more processors by applying the sensor readings to a system model of the desired instruments mechanical key action. Also, feedback may be determined through a lookup table containing feedback values defining a particular instrument's action. The player can switch between different instrument action definitions as desired, and may tune certain parameters to achieve a customized action.

[Roger Starr]

I think this is not just a rumour. Soon we will know. For sure, I think the whole touch screen idea is the way to go!

Regards,

Roger

[Fredrik]

When is the next apple event? Isn´t it possible that this could be revealed the same time as 10.5 rather than NAMM.

[jetplane666666]

DJE356 mentioned that the new app might not have the environment. This would be a big loss as I use it extensively it to make connections between the dozens of hardware modules in my 4 Unitor8 system. One example, I replaced the keyboard in one of my synths with a different brand and the velocity scaling is now different for the black keys. To correct this I use one transformer per black key to tailor the velocity response. Without the environment this would be impossible, and all the black keys would be really loud.

The only thing that makes sense is that because the (midi) environment duplicates some of the functionality of the core midi System Preferences page, they might move these options to the system preferences. That way the system would already be "wired" for all audio apps.

But if it we lose transformers and splitters I'll be dissapointed.

[kmshroom]

If Apple gets its way, which I suspect it will, I think the environment will just completely disappear, without substitute.

[thebri]

That would really be cool to put that funcionality into the CoreMIDI. I have to run some apps like MIDI patchbay to some simple, but crucial routing filtering multing.

Originally Posted by jetplane666666

The only thing that makes sense is that because the (midi) environment duplicates some of the functionality of the core midi System Preferences page, they might move these options to the system preferences. That way the system would already be "wired" for all audio apps.

But if it we lose transformers and splitters I'll be dissapointed.

[jetplane666666]

Originally Posted by kmshroom

If Apple gets its way, which I suspect it will, I think the environment will just completely disappear, without substitute.

What will really suck is if AMT disappears. Or worse yet, if MIDI disappears! I can just hear them talking: "Midi? Who uses that anymore?" After all, the first thing to go when Apple bought Emagic was the Emagic line of professional hardware Midi Interfaces.

Although admittedly I think these sentiments may be a bit extreme.

Here's hoping for the best!

[jon2911]

Wow. This would be great. I think some kind of new touch interface is definitely the future.

Somehow, though, I just don't see Apple coming out with a program that would work with NONE of their current computers, including the new Mac Pro's. Maybe they would sell just the touch display? But that wouldn't solve it for laptops. If anyone can pull it off, they can. Cool idea, but I'll believe it when I see it...

[Reptil]

My girlfriend's got touchpads all over her. That doesn't mean she sends CC messages.

Apple better keep midi support or AMT & Logic controller legacy support.
"disappointed" is putting it very very mild. "Ruïned and hopping mad" would be a more accurate description in my case and for a LOT of people who invested in this. I think they know about the whole analogue synth-midi thing, and will come up with a good midi solution. A rewrite doesn't mean dropping support. Midi is logic's strong point and the environment it fine for that. I doubt if they let go of the faders and tracks in the arrangement idea. (THAT would be radical ) IMO the real innovations are in the audio range. I expect realtime melodyne stuff, both in editing and synthesis. A touchpad would help sculpt audio that way.

[quincyg]

i personally would be quite happy to see the environment dissapear, or at least be buried deep in the app. although i have had to route all kinds of crazy crap in the environment, i have never understood why it even exists. for me, totally unnecessary. there are better ways.

[jetplane666666]

Originally Posted by quincyg

there are better ways.

There are better ways? For example? Logic implements signal flow and representation of devices in the simplest way possible, with graphic icons and cables. Logic also goes a step further and let's you manipulate this flow with complex signal processors (transformer) and intelligent signal routing tools (transformer/splitter, etc). Cycling 74 Max/MSP use the same icon/cable methodology. How else would you do it?

I have an extremely complex (midi) environment to manage my large midi composing studio. Other programs like Pro Tools simply lack the sophistication to manage my setup. Let's take a simple real world example; short of patching Max/MSP as a front end how would you achieve the keyboard velocity scaling I describe in my post above?

[Roger Starr]

Originally Posted by kmshroom

If Apple gets its way, which I suspect it will, I think the environment will just completely disappear, without substitute.

That's a good thing for sure!!!

Roger

[Macaroni]

If Apple gets its way, which I suspect it will, I think the environment will just completely disappear, without substitute.

What exactly do you mean, "if Apple gets its way". What do you know conclusively about what Apple wants or doesn't want re Logic? Are your suspicions based on facts or just speculation?

Apple's usual 'way' is to serve the needs of professionals who will use their products, not to thwart them.

The Environment as we know it, most likely will change into something more elegant and simple. They still have to accommodate people who need something like the Environment due to their specific setup, so hopefully they've come up with a better, more simplified way to handle it.

As far as touch screens, I for one am not anxious to have my arms constantly extended towards a screen to touch things that I want to manipulate. Think about it... that would be very uncomfortable over an extended period of time. Between my Mackie controller, a keyboard and a mouse, I've got it all ergonomically covered, without feeling like I'm constrained or something. Maybe if the touch screen was flat on the desk it would be more direct and accessible, but I'm not convinced that I'll be spending $ on another monitor just to grease it up with my fingers.

And even if the new app is touch screen capable, that doesn't mean you won't be able to use it without touching, so as long as you can run OSX 10.5, you'll be able to use the new program.

[joris de man]

Originally Posted by jetplane666666

There are better ways? For example? Logic implements signal flow and representation of devices in the simplest way possible, with graphic icons and cables. Logic also goes a step further and let's you manipulate this flow with complex signal processors (transformer) and intelligent signal routing tools (transformer/splitter, etc). Cycling 74 Max/MSP use the same icon/cable methodology. How else would you do it?

I have an extremely complex (midi) environment to manage my large midi composing studio. Other programs like Pro Tools simply lack the sophistication to manage my setup. Let's take a simple real world example; short of patching Max/MSP as a front end how would you achieve the keyboard velocity scaling I describe in my post above?

Well, Nuendo/Cubase handles this in one of two ways; it has a midi transformer on the midi input of a midichannel that can be set either globally or locally, in which you can scale the velocity.
The other way is that it supports midi plugins which can be set per channel, on which you can also use a velocity scaler.

I was a long time logic user on the mac (since 2.5) but switched to a PC with Nuendo when it went to os X. I was surprised that for many things that logic does there are good alternatives (or at least alternatives that worked for me). Like you, I'm a pretty advanced midi user (I once even created an environment in Logic to do random keyswitching of multiple samples with the EXS, which unfortunately exposed a nasty environment bug), but many things don't necesarrily have to be modular in order to work.
Your velocity example is really a kind of set and forget thing, that I imagine once setup you don't need to change too often.
My point is that the enviromnent is probably not as unmissable as you might think...

Joe