Logic 8 ? *merged*

[emgbiotch]

Originally Posted by jon2911

I think Logic vs. Pro Tools statements like this are a bit misinformed.
Guess which partner had the biggest presence at DigiWorld San Francisco? Apple.
Guess who makes a ton of money for Apple? Digi.

Exactly. 99% of professional Pro Tools users will stay Pro Tools. Do you guys actually think that Apple is going to win these people over enough so they ditch all of their Pro Tools stuff and go Logic?...puuhlease ...

Chances are Logic 8 will just have a little bit better audio editing, and a few new plugins.

[Roger Starr]

Originally Posted by Macaroni

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Logic has more users than any other DAW, so a big upgrade means serious $$$ for Apple.

Certainly NOT! Cubase is the most sold daw out there, not Logic. The industry standard tho'' is plain PT...

Roger

[Dr Gruv]

Originally Posted by emgbiotch

Exactly. 99% of professional Pro Tools users will stay Pro Tools. Do you guys actually think that Apple is going to win these people over enough so they ditch all of their Pro Tools stuff and go Logic?...puuhlease ...

Chances are Logic 8 will just have a little bit better audio editing, and a few new plugins.

i think you're wrong my friend

(1) intel showed off a teraflop chip - 80 chips combined into one - said it would come in five years or sooner...
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070212-8824.html

(2) digi has processing power - now becoming irrelevant as intel speeds and quads / octo and perhaps 16 core tigertons in the second half of '07 - (45nm and new gate process btw) http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/11099

(3) manufacturers of plugs are porting them over to AU - why? they see the writing on the 'intel' wall

(4) it isn't going to happen overnight - people aren't going to drop their digi systems - but it will gradually change

(5) apogee and perhaps others having direct support in the software

(6) dollars rule - unfortunate but true - if a comparable system is able to do the same function $15,000 - $20,000 or $10,000 what would you buy? the change won't be huge in the beginning, but those coming into the market will choose the lesser $$$ system...

[Roger Starr]

Originally Posted by Dr Gruv

i think you're wrong my friend

(1) intel showed off a teraflop chip - 80 chips combined into one - said it would come in five years or sooner...
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070212-8824.html

(2) digi has processing power - now becoming irrelevant as intel speeds and quads / octo and perhaps 16 core tigertons in the second half of '07 - (45nm and new gate process btw) http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/11099

(3) manufacturers of plugs are porting them over to AU - why? they see the writing on the 'intel' wall

(4) it isn't going to happen overnight - people aren't going to drop their digi systems - but it will gradually change

(5) apogee and perhaps others having direct support in the software

(6) dollars rule - unfortunate but true - if a comparable system is able to do the same function $15,000 - $20,000 or $10,000 what would you buy? the change won't be huge in the beginning, but those coming into the market will choose the lesser $$$ system...

Yep!

Roger

[Macaroni]

Chances are Logic 8 will just have a little bit better audio editing, and a few new plugins.

Yah, right.

Thank God you're not in charge of Logic's development.

I'll bet you $1,000 you're absolutely wrong.

[arimaka]

Originally Posted by Roger Starr

Certainly NOT! Cubase is the most sold daw out there, not Logic. The industry standard tho'' is plain PT...

Roger

This is def not true.
Most cubase users I know didn't pay for their software, All logic users I know payed for theirs

[uvc1977]

Originally Posted by arimaka

This is def not true.
Most cubase users I know didn't pay for their software, All logic users I know payed for theirs

Australian Magazine Audio Technology recently for its 50th edition did a number of surveys from its readership. One of those survey's related to DAW use:

"Its immediately obvious that Pro Tools in its various guises has a dominant position in the market, with an impressive 40.9% of readers electing Pro Tools as their primary DAW. Abelton Live has a smaller but vocal group of aficionardos & beats Acid in the quick arrangement stakes. While Cubase beats arch rival in the numbers game"

Unfortunately the mag only provides a pie chart & no % values next to each DAW. But from a visual representation one would say that approx 23% used Cubase, while 12% used Logic. If you add Nuendo to those figures takes it up to about 26-27%.

Obviously this only relates to Audio Tech readership but whenever polls are done here on GS Cubase consistently polls higher than Logic. So Anecdotally id say Cubase has a greater number of users than Logic. However I would hazard a guess that a higher number of Logic users are more likely to be professionals than Cubase users because of Logic being MAC only & often u see people who like to use Logic & Pro Tools hardware - although this seems to be in decline due to the power of todays MAC's.

In terms of who sells the most id probably agree with Roger due to the number of copies of Cubase LE's that are bundled with so many audio cards - Focusrite, Presonus, EMU etc. But of these sales I would say that the majority of people who had bought a audio card already have a existing DAW that they are using with instead.

But all of this is academic i always recommend to anyone just use the software that suits your work flow. I am a long time Cubase user & I have paid for all the upgrades - now using Cubase 4.

[Roger Starr]

Originally Posted by arimaka

This is def not true.
Most cubase users I know didn't pay for their software, All logic users I know payed for theirs

I'm not talking about cracks! I'm talking about sales, that is licences...

Then, PT is the biggest, but counting Nuendo & Cubase, then in numbers that will rival PT. Finally, yes it is true that the average Logic user is generally more pro then an average Cubase user. This mainly because Logic in the 90's was simply way better then Cubase and had the PT Bridge why more pro users went Logic. All that is totally past time now...

Roger

[jon2911]

Originally Posted by MattiMattMatt

Until now, much of what Apple has done has to do with packaging, stopgaps, compatibility, and a few Frankensteinien bells and whistles. But Apple has yet to really do their thing and turn Logic into an Apple-like application like they did with FinalCut. With the next version it should be clear if Logic is going to limp or sprint, if Apple is going to continue to patch on a little of this and a little of that, or if they're genuinely developing it as an Apple-quality pro application for the next 750-1000 or so years.

I'm actually applying for a job that would be completely Logic. So I really hope that Apple does great things with 8. I still think that Logic 8 killing of PT is wishful thinking. PT 7.3 is just too good. Digi definitely woke up, let's see if Apple will. My $1000 bet is that the expectations on this thread are way too high for Logic 8...

You may not agree with the musician vs. engineer distinction, but that was quoted from an Apple rep at NAMM. And as I watch Apple, a lot of their strategy is like that: marketing distinctions between pro vs. consumer, etc. And they do a dang good job at it. So I don't think that idea is far-fetched at all. Either the Apple rep said that, or the poster above is lying, but either way you don't have to flame me

[synthdogg]

I'm always intrigued by the attitude of people to want to be assured that the musical gear that they have chosen is "the best"...and by "best" I mean it's universally accepted by everyone else. There's this competetive spirit that gies along with it, and it seems like guys want to stack their gear lists against everyone else and....what?....win?

Now, I get that there are different goals when accumulating gear. There are studio owners who want to sell time to clients, and having the status quo is crucial to their sales.
Personally, I'm not one of those people....and I've been using Logic since my Atari days, and I use it well. I'm fast with it, I know it...I can do things with it that I can't do with other software, and it makes me money. I couldn't care less if it's the best selling DAW out there or if I'm one of only 10 people in the world using it (Well....other than the fact that I don't want it dropped, I would like Logic's life to continue, so I hope a FEW more people are using it.)

I just don't think I'll ever get when people get so emotionally invested in their software. It's as if the tools have become more important than the music.

I'm sure when Logic 8 arrives, it will be great and have some features that I find useful. But hey....that's the future, and right now I'm getting things done (well) with Logic 7. If it wasn't working for me, I would move to a platform that did work for me.

SO here's hoping Logic 8 is wonderful....hope you guys don't mind if I continue getting work done in 7 in the meantime.

[MattiMattMatt]

Originally Posted by jon2911

I'm actually applying for a job that would be completely Logic. So I really hope that Apple does great things with 8. I still think that Logic 8 killing of PT is wishful thinking. PT 7.3 is just too good. Digi definitely woke up, let's see if Apple will. My $1000 bet is that the expectations on this thread are way too high for Logic 8...

You may not agree with the musician vs. engineer distinction, but that was quoted from an Apple rep at NAMM. And as I watch Apple, a lot of their strategy is like that: marketing distinctions between pro vs. consumer, etc. And they do a dang good job at it. So I don't think that idea is far-fetched at all. Either the Apple rep said that, or the poster above is lying, but either way you don't have to flame me

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I definately did not mean to flame you! I was quoting your post to express a general thought about the musician/engineer Logic/ProTools distinction. IMHO, it seems that as the distinction between engineer and musician continues to blur, there will be less of a distinction between the software catering to each. The "musicians" who buy Logic increasingly demand the audio features of ProTools, just as the "engineers" who buy ProTools increasingly demand the music features of Logic.

Regardless of what today's trade show company rep says about distinguishing their software from the competitor, I think they have no choice but to battle the other for their survival. Each DAW wants as many users as possible, and the users want as many features as possible. Logic has to take on ProTools, because ProTools is taking on Logic, and vice versa. Indeed, they appear to be developing into each other's turf. My point is that it will all wind up as one turf.

I too use Logic. But that doesn't mean that I'm not interested in a more elegant "engineer-oriented" (if you want to call it that) tracking system. If Logic doesn't develop its engineering features, and ProTools continues to develop its music features, I would likely defect.

So while it makes sense that Apple would advertise the current musician/engineer distinction on the outside, I would bet that at Logic Central, on the inside, the developers are less interested with distinguishing - and more interested in killing - the competition.

[Orren]

Originally Posted by synthdogg

I just don't think I'll ever get when people get so emotionally invested in their software. It's as if the tools have become more important than the music.

I can understand it to a degree. The thing to keep in mind is that it's not just "software" as a whole that the folks in this thread are getting excited about. I don't think any of the people who have expressed extreme love/hate about Logic feel the same passion about iCal, or Outlook, or Graphic Calculator, for example.

It's gotten to the point that the DAW has become an instrument in itself. And musicians have always been passionate about their instruments.

Perhaps the biggest difference between a DAW and a musical instrument is that if you want the sound/build of another guitar, you can buy it and add it to your collection with minimal learning curve and complete transfer of your current guitar playing ability. To continue with this analogy, if your guitar of choice is a Les Paul, if you decide you want the tremolo and pickup configuration of a Stratocaster for a song or two, there will be a bit of a learning curve for the longer string scale, neck shape, and tremolo technique, but overall you'll find that your previously written songs should translate fairly well, and you are still about as facile as you were on your Les Paul.

If you want the feature in another DAW, switching DAWs is a far more complicated procedure than simply buying another guitar. New operating paradigms, new key commands, new interface, lack of song compatibility, and so on. So while the guitarist may see no need to put a tremolo on his Les Paul and just buy a Stratocaster, the Logic user feels much that he'd be better served by Apple adding a tremolo bar to Logic instead of buying Pro Tools for it's tremolo bar if you catch my drift.

That said, in my line of work, I deal with a lot of professionals, and they do tend to have the guitarist's attitude. One of my good acquaintances is a top UK alternative rock producer/engineer who loves Logic and uses it for everything. However, when he needs beat detective in his work, rather than posting all over the Internet how Logic sucks because it doesn't have beat detective and if Logic 7, 8, 9, 10, or whatever doesn't add it he's going to leave it forever, he just loads up Pro Tools, uses beat detective, bounces the result, reimports it to Logic, and calls it a day. Just like a guitarist who loves his Les Paul, but pulls out the strat when he needs it.

I'm sure when Logic 8 arrives, it will be great and have some features that I find useful. But hey....that's the future, and right now I'm getting things done (well) with Logic 7. If it wasn't working for me, I would move to a platform that did work for me.

I'm sorry, that attitude is far too reasonable. You will be fined.

Orren

[Orren]

Originally Posted by MattiMattMatt

Regardless of what today's trade show company rep says about distinguishing their software from the competitor, I think they have no choice but to battle the other for their survival.

That may have been true before the days of acquisition/investment by the big boys, but I don't think that's the case anymore.

Logic will survive as long as Apple feels it's worth it's while to offer a music production application that compliments its video production applications. Logic could be the number one application and discontinued if it doesn't suit Apple, or continued even if it was a failure.

Same with Pro Tools. Even if Yamaha or Apple develops a "Pro Tools killer" as long as it made sense for Avid to keep Digidesign alive, even if just to make software for M-Audio interfaces, Pro Tools will continue.

Same with Cubase/Nuendo. If everyone stopped using Cubase and Nuendo tomorrow, as long as Yamaha wanted to bundle it with its hardware, it will continue.

The major DAWs by independent companies are Digital Performer and SONAR. MOTU is basically a hardware company and will keep DP alive as long as the private owners want it to be alive, and Cakewalk has heavy investments from Roland and Microsoft, so I think they'll be fine regardless as well.

My point is that I don't think that DAWs are currently in a battle for survival. I think instead they are all going through a period of their owners trying to figure out how best to integrate them into their product line and corporate strategy. I think they're all here to stay, at least for the forseeable future.

Orren

[Roger Starr]

Originally Posted by Orren

My point is that I don't think that DAWs are currently in a battle for survival. I think instead they are all going through a period of their owners trying to figure out how best to integrate them into their product line and corporate strategy. I think they're all here to stay, at least for the forseeable future.

Orren

Cool point. Interesting to see what the corporate strategy is and what combination will bring the most interesting product line...

Regards,

Roger

[Macaroni]

So while it makes sense that Apple would advertise the current musician/engineer distinction on the outside, I would bet that at Logic Central, on the inside, the developers are less interested with distinguishing - and more interested in killing - the competition.

I've been a Mac user since Feb/84, and I've observed Apple transforming throughout that period. You have to understand Steve Jobs and you'll understand what they intend for Logic. It's simple - they want all their applications, Logic included, to be absolutely mind blowing, do anything and everything the 'professional', eg: musician/engineer/producer (it's all one now), wants and needs to do, in the most elegant and simple way, with no limitations or difficulties, and perhaps even in ways we may not have imagined. That's where they're taking Logic. That's Apple's mindset with all their products.

All of these people who speculate wildly that the Logic group is stuck in some corporate dungeon, ignored and at the mercy of bean counters, etc, are so far off it's ridiculous and unfounded. That is not Apple, and the evidence repeatedly suggests the opposite.

Think about it... OSX 10.5 + Mac Intel Dual Quad Core + Logic Pro 8 = figure it out for yourself.

[H-Rezz]

Originally Posted by Macaroni

Think about it... OSX 10.5 + Mac Intel Dual Quad Core + Logic Pro 8 = figure it out for yourself.

Don't forget to throw Apogee into that mix , i do not believe Apogee chose Apple/Logic by accident if the two had no future plans

[Macaroni]

Don't forget to throw Apogee into that mix , i do not believe Apogee chose Apple/Logic by accident if the two had no future plans

Right on! I forgot about that & you're right - it's even more evidence/proof of what I said.

Can anyone here possibly imagine that the Logic development group is not working on something phenomenal with all these new elements in play?

[H-Rezz]

Originally Posted by Macaroni

Can anyone here possibly imagine that the Logic development group is not working on something phenomenal with all these new elements in play?

Nope. The evidence of the last year indicates that Apple/Logic are working on something special , if not a 'P.Tools killer' at least another Pro alternative too it ....

Logic 8+Quad core/Dual Core+Apogee Symphony= Wow , for the serious Pro and at a competative price ......

I do not like the term 'Pro Tools Killer' because it suggests one has to die for the other to live , i think the more options the merrier

[Macaroni]

I do not like the term 'Pro Tools Killer' because it suggests one has to die for the other to live , i think the more options the merrier

Another very good point.

Apple doesn't have to think about 'killing' other software directly. All they, or anyone for that matter, have to do is make an 'insanely great' application that does everything that is required in its specific field of activities. The market will decide, as it always does, and they all know that.

Creative professionals are typically very discerning buyers when it comes to the core software they use for their primary creative work. They know what they want/need and like - you can't trick them with stupid marketing and gimmicks.

The Logic team knows full well what the stakes are and what the greatest DAW should/could be. They've got the best possible OS to work with as a base, unbelievable hardware advances, which opens up unlimited possibilities, and they're certainly not struggling for financial resources. And they've got the inside track on everything that Apple is doing that could impact them. It doesn't get much better than that.

There will always be 5-7 pro level DAWs, with the top 3 setting the standards. Competition is good, and doesn't always result in the demise of the lesser products.

[MattiMattMatt]

Originally Posted by Orren

Logic will survive as long as Apple feels it's worth it's while to offer a music production application that compliments its video production applications. Logic could be the number one application and discontinued if it doesn't suit Apple, or continued even if it was a failure.

Same with Pro Tools. Even if Yamaha or Apple develops a "Pro Tools killer" as long as it made sense for Avid to keep Digidesign alive, even if just to make software for M-Audio interfaces, Pro Tools will continue.

Same with Cubase/Nuendo. If everyone stopped using Cubase and Nuendo tomorrow, as long as Yamaha wanted to bundle it with its hardware, it will continue.

The major DAWs by independent companies are Digital Performer and SONAR. MOTU is basically a hardware company and will keep DP alive as long as the private owners want it to be alive, and Cakewalk has heavy investments from Roland and Microsoft, so I think they'll be fine regardless as well.

My point is that I don't think that DAWs are currently in a battle for survival. I think instead they are all going through a period of their owners trying to figure out how best to integrate them into their product line and corporate strategy. I think they're all here to stay, at least for the forseeable future.

Orren

It is rare that I disagree with you so this is something of a special occassion.

I disagree.

While what you say is true in theory - for that matter, Apple could transform Logic into a tool used primarily in the irrigation management systems for leafy greens if they wanted to - in practice, the "big boy" companies want their niche products to succeed in their niches. Logic is not one of those things that Apple bought to let die on the vine.

And for it not to die on the vine, for it not to suffer user defection, it must compete with ProTools. Apogee is part of that, new macs will contribute, but the software itself has to evolve to address competition from ProTools.

I think that Logic is a develop or die kind of application, not something that lingers around a corporate portfolio.

Well, I don't disagree entirely though.

I agree that none of the major DAWs are about to die. But not because a suit has decided to let them linger as is. Rather, their developers are mutually simultaneously trying to destroy the others, and that will keep them all alive.

[MattiMattMatt]

Originally Posted by Macaroni

Apple doesn't have to think about 'killing' other software directly. All they, or anyone for that matter, have to do is make an 'insanely great' application that does everything that is required in its specific field of activities.

Please don't interpret this as a flame if I say that that is another false dichotomy. the thinking, the mindset, the motivation at Apple is very much KILL KILL KILL. The thinking, the mindset , the motivation at Digidesign is very much KILL KILL KILL. That's what keeps them alive.

"Insanely great product" is a marketing facade on what the developers see as DEATH TO THE COMPETITION.

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by MattiMattMatt

Please don't interpret this as a flame if I say that that is another false dichotomy. the thinking, the mindset, the motivation at Apple is very much KILL KILL KILL. The thinking, the mindset , the motivation at Digidesign is very much KILL KILL KILL. That's what keeps them alive.

"Insanely great product" is a marketing facade on what the developers see as DEATH TO THE COMPETITION.

Hmm...

I think the mindset of any corporation is to protect and build their profit margin. Sometimes companies are 'Bloody Bold and Resolute' with regard to this (Apple in particular), sometimes companies are safe and almost stagnant - only being moved to innovate when another company offers 'better' and 'cheaper'.

Let's face it if Digi wanted to kill (opportunities for Apple) - they would 'liberate' Pro Tools LE into a non restricted audio track DAW with full Delay compensation... but No - they are too busy protecting their higher end Cash Cow - for them it is a gamble worth taking. That is not a 'Killing' business strategy.

Apple are clever, hungry and ambitious and I feel they are much more Darwinian in their approach to their busines - the problem is they are trying to be everything to everybody. That means some parts are going to be left lagging behind others for a while.

But as I said Apple are clever - let's hope, clever enought to put Logic Pro 8 futher up front in the DAW pack to make it a real deal App in the long term.

[jon2911]

Originally Posted by MattiMattMatt

the thinking, the mindset, the motivation at Apple is very much KILL KILL KILL. The thinking, the mindset , the motivation at Digidesign is very much KILL KILL KILL. That's what keeps them alive.

"Insanely great product" is a marketing facade on what the developers see as DEATH TO THE COMPETITION.

But wait, you guys are missing my point. When an audio engineer buys Pro Tools and a Mac to run it on, Apple makes a TON of money. They don't need Logic for that. So it's not direct competition. That's why they're still such close partners, because Digi makes Apple money. If you study them closely, Apple are mainly interested in selling computers (and iPods and iPhones). Garageband helps sell a lot more computers than Logic, thus the emphasis that everyone has noticed since the Emagic buyout.

I'm not saying they'll abandon Logic (any more than they already have), but don't expect a dramatic change of priorities or quicker updates and bug fixes anytime soon. Maybe they'll prove me wrong, but this thread shows the current state of affairs: wishful thinking from hardcore Logic users, contrasted by lack of updates, bug fixes, etc. from Apple. The evidence speaks for itself IMO...

[Macaroni]

But wait, you guys are missing my point. When an audio engineer buys Pro Tools and a Mac to run it on, Apple makes a TON of money.

No they don't! The margins in computer hardware are not that great. It only works if you sell millions of them. Apple is not selling millions of Macs because of ProTools.

They don't need Logic for that. So it's not direct competition. That's why they're still such close partners, because Digi makes Apple money.

Again - flawed logic. Final Cut Pro is in DIRECT competition with Avid, and has take a HUGE chunk of the market away from Avid, including a Mac for each FCP workstation. More musicians can afford $1,000 for Logic, and a Mac quad, than can afford a ProTools HD setup, and Apple clearly knows that.

ProTools is entrenched in studios, but that's actually a small niche market, and getting smaller - way smaller than all the musicians out there who could potentially make their own world class recordings at home.

I'm not saying they'll abandon Logic (any more than they already have), but don't expect a dramatic change of priorities or quicker updates and bug fixes anytime soon. Maybe they'll prove me wrong, but this thread shows the current state of affairs: wishful thinking from hardcore Logic users, contrasted by lack of updates, bug fixes, etc. from Apple. The evidence speaks for itself IMO...

The evidence does NOT speak in your favor. You've just done the usual bitching and then say it's a 'conclusion'. What proof do you have that we shouldn't expect a dramatic change, etc? None. You're just speculating based on reasoning that is not at all logical or in sync with Apple's reality. You wouldn't make a good lawyer.

I sympathize with those who are seriously impeded by any existing bugs, but lack of specific bug fixes does not prove or imply anything about the future of Logic.

I don't know about you, but I'm using Logic as it is, and I'm recording music and mixing and mastering without any problems that are stopping me from working.

[MattiMattMatt]

Originally Posted by jon2911

But wait, you guys are missing my point. When an audio engineer buys Pro Tools and a Mac to run it on, Apple makes a TON of money. They don't need Logic for that. So it's not direct competition. That's why they're still such close partners, because Digi makes Apple money. If you study them closely, Apple are mainly interested in selling computers (and iPods and iPhones). Garageband helps sell a lot more computers than Logic, thus the emphasis that everyone has noticed since the Emagic buyout.

Do you think that Apple is therefore hobbling Logic on purpose in order to give ProTools an advantage in the audio editing department? Do you think they really say to themselves: let's continue to give ProTools the audio editing edge in order to benefit from related hardware sales (rather than sell those same customers their hardware in conjunction with Logic)?

Originally Posted by jon2911

I'm not saying they'll abandon Logic (any more than they already have), but don't expect a dramatic change of priorities or quicker updates and bug fixes anytime soon. Maybe they'll prove me wrong, but this thread shows the current state of affairs: wishful thinking from hardcore Logic users, contrasted by lack of updates, bug fixes, etc. from Apple. The evidence speaks for itself IMO...

And of course, the other way of interpreting the lack of updates is that Apple hasn't abandoned Logic, but is working hard on a substantial update while we are using a sufficiently stable version for the time being. This you call the "wishful thinking" point of view, but it's fortified by hints from the mothership.

[jon2911]

Originally Posted by Macaroni

More musicians can afford $1,000 for Logic, and a Mac quad, than can afford a ProTools HD setup, and Apple clearly knows that.

ProTools is entrenched in studios, but that's actually a small niche market, and getting smaller - way smaller than all the musicians out there who could potentially make their own world class recordings at home.

OK, very good point Macaroni, this is what I've been saying all along. Also goes along perfectly with what the Apple rep said at NAMM. Maybe Apple has decided to leave the shrinking studio market to their partner Digi, and take over the musician market. I've said it like four times on this thread, but that would be a VERY good move if that's what they're doing.

You guys need to realize I'm a big Apple fan and enjoy watching their strategies. The Emagic purchase really intrigued me, so I've been watching ever since. The big question is, did they really want to take over the pro market, or did they mainly want the Logic engine for Garageband? Obviously the emphasis has been on Garageband for the past five years, but maybe that will change now? Only time will tell. Bring on Logic 8

[thebri]

Originally Posted by jon2911

The big question is, did they really want to take over the pro market, or did they mainly want the Logic engine for Garageband? Obviously the emphasis has been on Garageband for the past five years, but maybe that will change now? Only time will tell. Bring on Logic 8

From what I've been told by Apple-ites is that while they use some tech from Logic in GB, GB was made here in the US, and Logic Dev continues in Germany. Apple already had Soundtrack mosty done and GB well on it's way when they bought eMagic.

[jon2911]

Originally Posted by thebri

From what I've been told by Apple-ites is that while they use some tech from Logic in GB, GB was made here in the US, and Logic Dev continues in Germany. Apple already had Soundtrack mosty done and GB well on it's way when they bought eMagic.

Hmmm. I was basing that on several Sound on Sound articles, who knows? At least that gives Logic an excuse for only one major update (7) while Pro Tools and everyone else has had several in the same time frame. Who knows what's going on over there? I'm also interested in these rumors that most of the original Emagic team has quit. This is getting interesting though

[kmshroom]

Originally Posted by thebri

From what I've been told by Apple-ites is that while they use some tech from Logic in GB, GB was made here in the US, and Logic Dev continues in Germany. Apple already had Soundtrack mosty done and GB well on it's way when they bought eMagic.

I've spoken directly to Gehrard L. (I forget his last name exactly, something like Langling or whatever), who is the head of all audio dev (head of eMagic), and he said GB is the exact same Logic code, just with a different GUI cover and limitations written in.

[thebri]

Originally Posted by kmshroom

I've spoken directly to Gehrard L. (I forget his last name exactly, something like Langling or whatever), who is the head of all audio dev (head of eMagic), and he said GB is the exact same Logic code, just with a different GUI cover and limitations written in.

I could be confusing some of the GB dev stuff with some of the Sountrack dev stuff for sure. But the Apple loop tech was definatly from the US from some guys aquired from Sonic Foundry. I'm sure they clean roomed the code, but it is earily similar to the Acid thing.