Logic 8 ? *merged*

[vixapphire]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

(Is 'Larry' the 'Man in black'? Stay tuned to GS and find out!)

no, he's just the cable guy.

[audiomichael]

Originally Posted by fuzzjunkie

i'm still happily using Logic 4.8. ...not everyone is on the upgrade...must...upgrade....where's my upgrade!!!! curve.

What are you using Logic for? I can't see any reason anyone would stay on 4.8 rather than upgrading to 7. Unless you only use Logic once in a blue moon to program some hi-hats.

[needlz]

for f*ck sake.

[vixapphire]

Originally Posted by audiomichael

What are you using Logic for? I can't see any reason anyone would stay on 4.8 rather than upgrading to 7. Unless you only use Logic once in a blue moon to program some hi-hats.

think about it: if you've got protools or something else to take care of the audio end and only need logic for midi sequencing, what's the big change since 4.8 on the midi side? nicer automation features are about all. if i wasn't dependent on logic to be my mixer and tape machine in addition to my sequencer, i wouldn't have spent all this money upgrading either. hell, 4.8 looks similar enough to 7 also. well, sort of...

[Simone Coen]

http://macvisionaries.com/pipermail/...er/000135.html

Now,

if it only was something I have seen on the web I would doubt... but I would bet my life on this post...

[Hint]

Originally Posted by Simone Coen

if it only was something I have seen on the web I would doubt... but I would bet my life on this post...

A post made in October 2006?

[florent]

logic 4.7 doesn't work on mac pro ,that's a reason that someone with modern ITB production[plug ins,soft synnth's etc,with no hardware]needs L.7.otherwise I also agree that there is not a "ground breaking" change on a program,even that I like the way it works for midi but not for a whole ITB production[mix edit auidio etc],but anyway I made a switch to cubase,they have kind of best of logic for midi and some great feautures on audio side.I hope for a new update ,still have the XS key.

[audiomichael]

Originally Posted by vixapphire

think about it: if you've got protools or something else to take care of the audio end and only need logic for midi sequencing, what's the big change since 4.8 on the midi side? nicer automation features are about all. if i wasn't dependent on logic to be my mixer and tape machine in addition to my sequencer, i wouldn't have spent all this money upgrading either. hell, 4.8 looks similar enough to 7 also. well, sort of...

I find it hard to believe that there hasn't been one feature implemented from 4.8 to 7.2.3 that would be useful for anyone.

Also, I find it unbearable to work on midi and audio in different applications at the same time. Yuck! But that's me.

[vixapphire]

Originally Posted by audiomichael

I find it hard to believe that there hasn't been one feature implemented from 4.8 to 7.2.3 that would be useful for anyone.

Also, I find it unbearable to work on midi and audio in different applications at the same time. Yuck! But that's me.

from the midi end of things, and notwithstanding the upgraded aesthetics, some would respond with, "yeah, maybe there's one or two nifty tweaks, but are they really worth spending a grand to upgrade just the software, much less the entire computer with it?"

if not for the audio/softsynth side of logic, i'd be happy running it on my old blue and white g3 with the pair of matching bondi blue monitors i used to have.

[fuzzjunkie]

well, vixapphire has been more than eloquent in covering for me, but yes...i have 3 macs and run logic 4.8 on an older g4 running 9.1...it's stable and i haven't had to adjust the environment more than twice in the past 4 years.

i use it exclusively for composing and sequencing. i've been waiting for the audio side to be a "protools killer" since version 2.5...the machines are finally fast enough for that to happen, but the logic 7 crowd has been waiting how long for logic 8 to fix things that i don't need fixed...don't have to deal with the issues that i see on forums of trying to run protools and logic on the same machine at the same time and i have a wall full of hardware synths and 2 racks full of pres, comps, reverbs, delays, filters and ring mods, so i don't really need soft synths or effects or have the need to upgrade them every six months...

there might be a feature or two...but i work with people with logic 7 rigs on a regular basis and don't feel like i'm missing out.

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by audiomichael

I find it hard to believe that there hasn't been one feature implemented from 4.8 to 7.2.3 that would be useful for anyone.

Also, I find it unbearable to work on midi and audio in different applications at the same time. Yuck! But that's me.

It's not any different than if you had a midi sequencer and tape going. What else would you have done in the 80's?

[octatonic]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

It's not any different than if you had a midi sequencer and tape going. What else would you have done in the 80's?

Synclavier?

[audiomichael]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

It's not any different than if you had a midi sequencer and tape going. What else would you have done in the 80's?

I would have cryogenicallly frozen myself till 2008, so that I wouldn't have to endure the torture of syncing midi and tape as well as:

• No Tivo or HD TV
• Not having internet girly sites (although there was a certain charm to magazines & VHS)
• Waiting for Logic 8
• Taking SAT's and/or final exams again

Geez...the list goes on.

[Tibbon]

Dude in the 80's you dialed up to the BBS's for ASCII porn!
You guys give the best answers.

[Simone Coen]

That post I cited is just a 'hint'...

it's not about the date but about what's hidden in my words.

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by Simone Coen

Logic audio 8 is being tested

Now,

if it only was something I have seen on the web I would doubt... but I would bet my life on this post...

Aha!

Sooo - you have seen said information elswhere too, and where you have seen it, it is worthy of some credibility?

The suspense continues....

[oune]

Originally Posted by Simone Coen

http://macvisionaries.com/pipermail/...er/000135.html

Now,

if it only was something I have seen on the web I would doubt... but I would bet my life on this post...

The post said :

Thu Oct 19 05:22:32 EDT 2006

Not a new message, it was posted one year ago

[rectifier]

Originally Posted by oune

The post said :

Thu Oct 19 05:22:32 EDT 2006

Not a new message, it was posted one year ago

O_o did you not bother to read any other posts?

[Hint]

Originally Posted by Simone Coen

it's not about the date but about what's hidden in my words.

OK, I understand... I don't think there is any doubt that Logic 8 exists and is likely to be "finished" by now.

[Volodia]

Originally Posted by noiseflaw

Aha!

Sooo - you have seen said information elswhere too, and where you have seen it, it is worthy of some credibility?

The suspense continues....

I know the author of the post ( original . the one from 2006 ) . He is a famous (here)

blind keyboard player who developed lots of synth sounds . He wouldn't say it if it was

not true .

[Jazzpunk]

From the Logic forum;

"I was at the European Apple Authorised Training Centre conference in Amsterdam this week. Got to see a presentation from the European Audio Business Manager.

Of course, we asked the obvious question (LP8). He refused to answer the question.

I asked about Garageband screwing L7 songs. He refused to answer the question.

I asked about Apple Loops being resized to less that 1/2 of the previous versions and whether or not the files were compressed. He refused to answer the question.

I pointed out that this was not a matter of speculation since the product was already released and asked why he couldn't answer the question. He refused to answer the question about not being able to answer the question.

He did, however, do a demo of Soundtrack Pro V2. It crashed three times.

So, lots of us are wishing for Logic 8? Careful what you wish for, lest it come true..."

[freestyle tromb]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

From the Logic forum;

"I was at the European Apple Authorised Training Centre conference in Amsterdam this week. Got to see a presentation from the European Audio Business Manager.

Of course, we asked the obvious question (LP8). He refused to answer the question.

I asked about Garageband screwing L7 songs. He refused to answer the question.

I asked about Apple Loops being resized to less that 1/2 of the previous versions and whether or not the files were compressed. He refused to answer the question.

I pointed out that this was not a matter of speculation since the product was already released and asked why he couldn't answer the question. He refused to answer the question about not being able to answer the question.

He did, however, do a demo of Soundtrack Pro V2. It crashed three times.

So, lots of us are wishing for Logic 8? Careful what you wish for, lest it come true..."

bahahahahaha!!!

ahhh, hahaha. oh man. that was good. it made me laugh out loud.

"it crashed three times."

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by freestyle tromb

bahahahahaha!!!

ahhh, hahaha. oh man. that was good. it made me laugh out loud.

"it crashed three times."

I'm with you. Think of the energy they've wasted by spreading development resources over three different audio aps?!

[MACINTONWA]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

I'm with you. Think of the energy they've wasted by spreading development resources over three different audio aps?!

I agree, especially when they bought Emagic it was already split in to beginner, a second level and a pro level

[tengu]

This thread is a little bit funny.

Most of us know/feel Logic has some little nuances that make it a little annoying and cumbersome but, none that should really stop anyone achieving goals. If it does, then we can go use something else.

I have no doubt that an update will eventually come and when it it does, I am almost certain that it will be quite amazing.

Apple makes a lot of money from Ipod's. What makes Ipods sell? Music for the most part. I really don't think it is in Apple's interest to neglect Logic. It just doesn't make much sense to drop the bundle with regards to Logic.

The new Apogee Duet only adds weight to that line of thinking IMHO.

[putte]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

From the Logic forum;

[I]"I was at the European Apple Authorised Training Centre conference in Amsterdam this week. Got to see a presentation from the European Audio Business Manager.
Of course, we asked the obvious question (LP8). He refused to answer the question.
I asked about Garageband screwing L7 songs. He refused to answer the question.
I asked about Apple Loops being resized to less that 1/2 of the previous versions and whether or not the files were compressed. He refused to answer the question.
I pointed out that this was not a matter of speculation since the product was already released and asked why he couldn't answer the question. He refused to answer the question about not being able to answer the question.

.. if i had attended this i probably would have gone upset and left the room.

i mean, how much arrogance can one take being a long-time loyal user of Logic??

putte

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

From the Logic forum;

[I]"I was at the European Apple Authorised Training Centre conference in Amsterdam this week. Got to see a presentation from the European Audio Business Manager.

Of course, we asked the obvious question (LP8). He refused to answer the question.

I asked about Garageband screwing L7 songs. He refused to answer the question.

I asked about Apple Loops being resized to less that 1/2 of the previous versions and whether or not the files were compressed. He refused to answer the question.

I pointed out that this was not a matter of speculation since the product was already released and asked why he couldn't answer the question. He refused to answer the question about not being able to answer the question.

He did, however, do a demo of Soundtrack Pro V2. It crashed three times.

What a complete TWAT!

I would have pressed him further: As European manager that seems like a great way to develop customer relations - completely BLANK legitimate real world customer concerns.

How and why oh why do these 'mook-salesmen' twats get these managerial positions?

If I had anyone working for me who demonstrated such a graceless lack of tact and imagination I would fire them immediately.

TWAT!

[ZeroSphere]

Originally Posted by noiseflaw

What a complete TWAT!

I would have pressed him further: As European manager that seems like a great way to develop customer relations - completely BLANK legitimate real world customer concerns.

How and why oh why do these 'mook-salesmen' twats get these managerial positions?

If I had anyone working for me who demonstrated such a graceless lack of tact and imagination I would fire them immediately.

TWAT!

I agree wholeheartedly. Even Digi are happy to ply the rumor mill. I am waiting for a bit to see. See what this uncertainty does in the market Apple????

I am a long time PT/Fairlight user who can't bear to get LE for a portable system with inferior convertors and limits on functionality... I like the look of the new Apogee interface but need the whole package. Logic might be it. then again it might be the paradigm shifting Reaper when the Mac version goes live.

Those who rest on their laurels get run over....

Regards to all.

Peter

[semtek]

Originally Posted by noiseflaw

What a complete TWAT!

I would have pressed him further: As European manager that seems like a great way to develop customer relations - completely BLANK legitimate real world customer concerns.

How and why oh why do these 'mook-salesmen' twats get these managerial positions?

If I had anyone working for me who demonstrated such a graceless lack of tact and imagination I would fire them immediately.

TWAT!

It's the effect of moving control of Emagic to a publicly owned company. It just doesn't work. If your stock price fluctuates according to reports of new product releases in the media, then you control those reports with an iron grip. Apple's pr department is probably the best in the industry at delivering the message they want, when they want it, and they keep a very close eye on what is said about them. For a product like the iPod it works very well because leaked details and so on can lead to pre-emptive competition. But in the DAW sector, it's just unnecessary. Product lead times are simply too long for it to make any difference if details are leaked. It's not like if they announce a single screen interface for L8 another company is going to produce a cheap single-screen Logic replica to bleed some sales off them. This is the case with iPods and you can appreciate why they keep details so closely guarded, but they definitely need a new policy regarding announcements of this kind relating to Logic.

At the moment the future does not look good for the software, whether or not L8 is a killer app. The lack of support and attention to feedback in the present climate will inevitably cause bad blood with the users. Perhaps Steve can write us all an open letter explaining exactly why there's been no indication of what Logic 8 will contain. As I've said before, it does affect the choices that studios and producers make when purchasing other software and equipment.

I hope, not least for the sake of the intelligent and creative guys at Emagic, that this gets sorted out before everyone jumps ship.

[bof]

Originally Posted by audiomichael

I find it hard to believe that there hasn't been one feature implemented from 4.8 to 7.2.3 that would be useful for anyone.

Well, believe it or not, there's been virtually nothing to interest those using external tone generators via MIDI. The only thing of note was the ability to draw nice curves in hyper-draw, however, that's severely compromised by the bug that draws curves where you don't want them.

On the down-side, Logic no longer records internaly generated SysEx from the Environment, Environment faders forget their definitions, MIDI file export creates all sorts of wierdness and on an Intel Mac it's even worse.

The last reasonably reliable version for MIDI programmers/editors is 6.4

Of course, if you don't use SysEx, MIDI files or Mixer Maps, then all's well and Logic offers some of the most advanced tools for making music. On the other hand, I know a guy who churns out the most amazing work using Notator SL on an Atari. Like any instrument, it's the player that determines the quality more than the instrument.