Logic 8 ? *merged*

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by DJDJ

This is really interesting to me.

I just came back from a weekend trip with a good friend who is working on Logic Pro 8. He told me a bit about it, some of which is exactly what you've said here, and other things are completely different.

For example, he said that they are indeed implementing elastic audio and bouncing effects to audio regions in the arrange page without having to export, BUT he said, this won't happen in the initial release of LP8, but in the one of the first updates.

He also said that he is using it on a Macbook Pro running Tiger, and it runs just fine. He said it DOES require an intel mac, but not necessarily leopard, which is in direct contradiction to what you've shared here....

He also said that yes, the GUI is way streamlined and simplified, that "everything can be accessed on one page". He said the Surround has been greatly improved, as has the audio editor. Ultrabeat has been updated and bettered, as has the compressor plugin, which now has a bunch of classic compressor presets. He said the new Delay designer is really cool too. All this AND, apparently there's a huge new library of sounds/samples that comes with it, totaling almost 50 Gigs.

I asked him if it would be hard to learn the new program for all the pre-existing users of LP7, and he said no, that it is designed to be really easy to understand and learn and really accessible.

As far as when, he said apple won't tell him. He said he has no idea when it'll be released, but he thinks it's ready to go; he said in the whole time he's been working on the program, it hasn't crashed once. Compaired to the somewhat regular occasional crashes in LP7, it's rock solid.

he seems to be totally elated with it, which, knowing my friend is a really good sign


that's about all I know.

Here is what I can tell you for a fact: if he is telling you this and giving you permission to repeat it here he is violating his NDA and if Apple gets wind of it he will not be working on Logic 8 any longer.

Either you are self-aggrandizing here or both you and he are making very poor decisions.

[MattiMattMatt]

Originally Posted by Ashermusic

Here is what I can tell you for a fact: if he is telling you this and giving you permission to repeat it here he is violating his NDA and if Apple gets wind of it he will not be working on Logic 8 any longer.

Either you are self-aggrandizing here or both you and he are making very poor decisions.

Clearly you have very little experience with Apple's NDA. While Apple's NDA forbids dissemination of proprietary information before official announcements, an FOF exclusionary clause specifically allows the publication of unanounced features via the internet by FOF ("friends of friends"). Everything here is A-OK, my friend, and by the book.

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by MattiMattMatt

Clearly you have very little experience with Apple's NDA. While Apple's NDA forbids dissemination of proprietary information before official announcements, an FOF exclusionary clause specifically allows the publication of unanounced features via the internet by FOF ("friends of friends"). Everything here is A-OK, my friend, and by the book.

Actually I do have experience with it and there is no such thing as this FOF clause. Apple regularly sues websites for this kind of thing.

The readers here are free of course to believe you if they wish.

[chris5s]

So, it won't run on PPC? Hm, when did they sell the last PowerMacs and what was the timeframe for PPC support when Steve announced the switch?

I don't believe they'll screw their customers that bad.

Cheers
Chris

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by DJDJ

...He said it DOES require an intel mac.

Major, Major, MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT.

[DJDJ]

Originally Posted by MattiMattMatt

If your friend is indeed working on L8, and you spent a whole weekend with him, if that's all you know about it, you're either really really good friends and didn't do much talking, or you know more about L8 and you're not telling.

a. it was a trip with a bunch of us

b. I didn't want to pry too much. It's a private thing, he's really busy and shouldn't be telling me anyways

[DJDJ]

Originally Posted by Ashermusic

Here is what I can tell you for a fact: if he is telling you this and giving you permission to repeat it here he is violating his NDA and if Apple gets wind of it he will not be working on Logic 8 any longer.

Either you are self-aggrandizing here or both you and he are making very poor decisions.

evidently, I made a poor decision.

for your benefit.

He didn't give me any such permission. I was really excited to share what I had gathered, hopefully without giving too much away of who this person is.

perhaps I should ask this information to be removed. You guys have me worried now.

[kenn.michael]

Originally Posted by noiseflaw

Major, Major, MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT.

It's not out yet. You can't be disappointed until it's out and all the final specs are posted. ...and IF PPC isn't supported (which I personally highly doubt), then you can be disappointed...

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by kenn.michael

It's not out yet. You can't be disappointed until it's out and all the final specs are posted. ...and IF PPC isn't supported (which I personally highly doubt), then you can be disappointed...

Too True.....


However I would not be surprised - it is a very credible tactic to get the move over to Intels accelerated in the audio community.

We'll see.

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by kenn.michael

It's not out yet. You can't be disappointed until it's out and all the final specs are posted. ...and IF PPC isn't supported (which I personally highly doubt), then you can be disappointed...

I just communicated with a friend of mine at Apple and he has given me permission to post the following.

if the statement is "The next big version of Logic will be INTEL only" then it is "utter bullshit."

He also says the so-called "exclusionary clause" in Apple's NDAs is "bullshit."

So you can all relax now and stop listening to idiots who self-aggrandize. BTW it may not be MattiMattMatt or DJDJ but their friend who is the guilty party here.

[theblotted]

Originally Posted by Ashermusic

I just communicated with a friend of mine at Apple and he has given me permission to post the following.

if the statement is "The next big version of Logic will be INTEL only" then it is "utter bullshit."

He also says the so-called "exclusionary clause" in Apple's NDAs is "bullshit."

So you can all relax now and stop listening to idiots who self-aggrandize. BTW it may not be MattiMattMatt or DJDJ but their friend who is the guilty party here.

not trying to start a war here, but is it that as long as you have permission by a friend at Apple, you can let info like the above thru? and okay to confirm unreleased info as yes or "bullshit"?

Apple's got an interesting NDA clause.

i'm waiting patiently. if what DJDJ's buddy said was true, then great. if not, no harm done. it's gonna be what it will be.

[DJDJ]

I share only what I was told, no more, no less, and not to self aggrandize, but instead to share and inspire hope in the logic user community. I was excited about what I heard, so I shared it. It came (more or less) straight from the horse's mouth. My apologies if I spread any information that is inaccurate. That being said, I am not an idiot (nor is my friend), and I don't particularly appreciate being flamed and called one. As said before, I was posting as a service to our community. It may have been inappropriate, but it was a relatively educated gesture of goodwill.

It's the harsh lashing out at people that are trying to help that is so disappointing about this site. So many smug arrogant atitudes, not only in this thread, but across the board.

I guess it's possible that even some of the people on the project don't have all the information, keeping everyone but the people at the top in the dark about all the details of this upcoming release. It would explain the conflict of information represented here.


anyways, if nothing else, I guess we can confirm that it *IS* coming out.

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by DJDJ

I share only what I was told, no more, no less, and not to self aggrandize, but instead to share and inspire hope in the logic user community. I was excited about what I heard, so I shared it. It came (more or less) straight from the horse's mouth. My apologies if I spread any information that is inaccurate. That being said, I am not an idiot (nor is my friend), and I don't particularly appreciate being flamed and called one. As said before, I was posting as a service to our community. It may have been inappropriate, but it was a relatively educated gesture of goodwill.

It's the harsh lashing out at people that are trying to help that is so disappointing about this site. So many smug arrogant atitudes, not only in this thread, but across the board.

I guess it's possible that even some of the people on the project don't have all the information, keeping everyone but the people at the top in the dark about all the details of this upcoming release. It would explain the conflict of information represented here.


anyways, if nothing else, I guess we can confirm that it *IS* coming out.

Re-read my post. I said it may not be you or the other poster who was a self-aggrandizing idiot but perhaps your friend.

But SOMEBODY is because the information is wrong and anyone who really was involved would know that. So it is possible it came not from the horse's mouth but a horse's ass.

And yes, I lashed out because I am angry as this is how destructive rumors get started.

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by theblotted

not trying to start a war here, but is it that as long as you have permission by a friend at Apple, you can let info like the above thru? and okay to confirm unreleased info as yes or "bullshit"?

Apple's got an interesting NDA clause.

i'm waiting patiently. if what DJDJ's buddy said was true, then great. if not, no harm done. it's gonna be what it will be.

Rank hath its privileges.

And IMHO harm IS done if the rumor that the next big version of Logic will be Intel only is spread.

[Geert van den Berg]

Finally some new info!

Who cares it's against the rules of some NDA?

It's just what this thread needed, which was based on speculation already anyway, a little extra speculation doesn't hurt...

I hope it has sample accurate editting in the arrange window, if so I might jump ship...lol

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by Geert van den Berg

Finally some new info!

Who cares it's against the rules of some NDA?

It's just what this thread needed, which was based on speculation already anyway, a little extra speculation doesn't hurt...

I hope it has sample accurate editting in the arrange window, if so I might jump ship...lol

If there's sample accurate editing in the arrange window alone... that would be the killer feature for me.

Could care less about 64 bit, fancy interface, 50gb of samples, 10.5 only support, intel optimization, etc...
Just give me better audio editing that's not all in separate little windows (and give me a grid mode that works for the editing!) and we can call it a day.

And make the midi work a little smoother for the MTC stuff so people will stop whining about the midi too.

And make the integration with AVID/FCP work seemlessly (conforming, handles, etc...)

And I'll never even look at another DAW.

If they don't do this... then I'm going to be checking out that Fairlight DAW.

[Orren]

Originally Posted by Rufuss Sewell

It requires an Intel Mac? That would be very disappointing. Are there any apps that only work on Intel Mac's? I thought the whole point of UB was for it to work with both Intel and PPC processors.

Logic 7 is Universal Binary. I believe it would actually take more work to go to an Intel-only version than to keep it Universal. I'm not a coder, but just from my understanding of UB, that the coders would deconstruct the UB sounds extremely unlikely.

And of course, if this guy's friend who "has" Logic 8 is already lying/wrong about this...I wonder how many other things aren't true...?

I hope everyone is keeping these old posts, so one day when there is something actually released by Apple, we can all have a good laugh over how many of these "my friend who has the app and I watched it running posts" turned out to filled with lots of poo.

Orren

[goldphinga]

more rumors from this blog


Barbarism Begins at Home: Will There Be No Logic Pro 8?

Anonymous said...


I am tired of this B.S that Logic 8 will never see the light of the day, but...it´s true...because I am a betatester of Logic and the new version will be named Logic HD and it´s running quite perfect on my dual Quad beta Mac machine. It´s pretty cool to watch the 8 little performancemeters not even moving when running 48 spacedesigners. The program is now running with 64 bits floating point and all sonalksis plugins are include for free. Also there are reverbs from TC Electronic, including VSS4 from Reverb6000.AccessVirus is included but just one instance at a time. THe GUI is pretty the same but more purple now and environment is now very easy to understand. THe NI Komplete4 is included too. I can´t tell you more at this time, but clearly Cubase will for sure go to the digital heaven!

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by goldphinga

more rumors from this blog


Barbarism Begins at Home: Will There Be No Logic Pro 8?

Anonymous said...


I am tired of this B.S that Logic 8 will never see the light of the day, but...it´s true...because I am a betatester of Logic and the new version will be named Logic HD and it´s running quite perfect on my dual Quad beta Mac machine. It´s pretty cool to watch the 8 little performancemeters not even moving when running 48 spacedesigners. The program is now running with 64 bits floating point and all sonalksis plugins are include for free. Also there are reverbs from TC Electronic, including VSS4 from Reverb6000.AccessVirus is included but just one instance at a time. THe GUI is pretty the same but more purple now and environment is now very easy to understand. THe NI Komplete4 is included too. I can´t tell you more at this time, but clearly Cubase will for sure go to the digital heaven!

Dear god, I hope that's a joke. It's got to be. My humor meter today feels like that from Data on StarTrek, so I can't tell if it's supposed to be another rumor... or more joking.

Anyways,

All of these people that are "in the know" almost always end up being wrong.
There was some fool running around here claiming that Logic 8 was going to be released in January, and that 'his sources' were good. Bullshit. There's claims like this all the time. The people NEVER fess up to not being right. They never say sorry, they just keep spewing more rancid bullshit. They just make another claim, or change their username. MacRumors.com is horrid for this. They even have stock analysts making predictions about when/what Apple will release.

Just send me the press release when it's out. Until then, music making time.

I bet in the time we've all spent on this thread, we could have each learned 100 new shortcuts and features in Logic 7 that we didn't know before.

[Orren]

Originally Posted by DJDJ

I share only what I was told, no more, no less, and not to self aggrandize, but instead to share and inspire hope in the logic user community.

First of all, I appreciate that you wish to spread hope. I am not being sarcastic, I'm sure you're intentions are great.

But the problem is, what if your friend was yanking your crank? What if he's been told things that aren't true?

I just finished an album completely in Logic. So personally, I don't need tons of new features. But the problem is when folks like you try to inspire "hope" by talking about things that may or may not be true, if they're not...any breakthroughs that might be present will be overshadowed by disappointment by what isn't, that people knew would be there because they heard it from this guy who knows this dude who's former roommate read it on the Interweb...

That said, I think the reason that people like you feel they need to bring hope, is that Apple doesn't allow the development team to communicate with the user base. And this is absolute bull pucky of the most frustrating and smelly sort. Trust me, nobody involved with Logic is happy with the mandated lack of communication. But you can also trust me, that they really like their jobs, and would never spill anything.

I guess it's possible that even some of the people on the project don't have all the information

Actually, not only possible, but probable.

It's the harsh lashing out at people that are trying to help that is so disappointing about this site.

Well, some of us feel very personally close to the developers and the team. And when rumors come out—and again, I know you mean no harm, I'm not getting down on you personally—the team themselves get pressured from above, as Cupertino accuses them of not being secure enough, putting out rumors themselves, or at the very least, giving previews or software to people who aren't trustworthy. And so they get the screw tightened, which makes it harder on them.

And let's be honest here...if your friend really does have access to Logic 8, and really did tell you the truth, then Apple is right: the team trusted an untrustworthy person, your friend, who broke his NDA by talking to you. And again, even though you were not meaning any harm, by posting what your friend said on Gearslutz, you might have inadvertently gotten our friends in trouble.

Anyway, the poster who said that in the end, we'll see what there is to see when it's released is right. That's when we'll know how much of all these various rumors is in the released application, and how much, well intentioned or not, turns out to be false.

Orren

[Orren]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

Dear god, I hope that's a joke. It's got to be

Again, if this is false, you know someone will be very disappointed, and if it's true, my friends in Relligen are going to get lectured for something that may not be their fault at all. If this is true, it could be anyone at any of these plug-in companies who is spilling information, not anyone connected with Apple at all.

But as with all of these rumors, from the point of view of an observer, some of it just doesn't sound right...TCE plug-ins for free, when they're selling them as PowerCore-only? AccessVirus for free, when they're trying to sell you a Virus TI? Pretty fishy...especially when Apple GmbH has arguably some of the top DSP coders in the biz.

We'll see....

Orren

[lanervoza]

Originally Posted by goldphinga

more rumors from this blog


Barbarism Begins at Home: Will There Be No Logic Pro 8?

Anonymous said...


I am tired of this B.S that Logic 8 will never see the light of the day, but...it´s true...because I am a betatester of Logic and the new version will be named Logic HD and it´s running quite perfect on my dual Quad beta Mac machine. It´s pretty cool to watch the 8 little performancemeters not even moving when running 48 spacedesigners. The program is now running with 64 bits floating point and all sonalksis plugins are include for free. Also there are reverbs from TC Electronic, including VSS4 from Reverb6000.AccessVirus is included but just one instance at a time. THe GUI is pretty the same but more purple now and environment is now very easy to understand. THe NI Komplete4 is included too. I can´t tell you more at this time, but clearly Cubase will for sure go to the digital heaven!

that just sounds excessive...

[DJDJ]

Originally Posted by Orren

Well, some of us feel very personally close to the developers and the team. And when rumors come out—and again, I know you mean no harm, I'm not getting down on you personally—the team themselves get pressured from above, as Cupertino accuses them of not being secure enough, putting out rumors themselves, or at the very least, giving previews or software to people who aren't trustworthy. And so they get the screw tightened, which makes it harder on them.

And let's be honest here...if your friend really does have access to Logic 8, and really did tell you the truth, then Apple is right: the team trusted an untrustworthy person, your friend, who broke his NDA by talking to you. And again, even though you were not meaning any harm, by posting what your friend said on Gearslutz, you might have inadvertently gotten our friends in trouble.

Anyway, the poster who said that in the end, we'll see what there is to see when it's released is right. That's when we'll know how much of all these various rumors is in the released application, and how much, well intentioned or not, turns out to be false.

Orren

points well taken. I shouldn't have said anything. I sincerely hope that no major trouble ensues for the Logic team as a result of opening my big fat yap. I have no ill intention, and shouldn't have violated the trust of my friend. Perhaps he lied to me, perhaps he's BSing, though I sincerely doubt it.

I guess we'll see when it comes out......

[DJDJ]

Originally Posted by Orren

Logic 7 is Universal Binary. I believe it would actually take more work to go to an Intel-only version than to keep it Universal. I'm not a coder, but just from my understanding of UB, that the coders would deconstruct the UB sounds extremely unlikely.
Orren

it seems unlikely until you consider the amount of machines that could be sold as a result of going intel only. Yes, it's more work for the coders, more labor cost, etc, but that's small taters next to what apple could make in new computer sales to go with all the new Logic sales.

[No4PCs]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

As I'm sure everyone feels:

I hate Logic's audio, but I LOVE it's midi.

I love protool's audio, but it's midi is a joke!

Sysex faders anyone?

Pro Logic Tools is the solution !

[joris de man]

Originally Posted by Ashermusic

Re-read my post. I said it may not be you or the other poster who was a self-aggrandizing idiot but perhaps your friend.

But SOMEBODY is because the information is wrong and anyone who really was involved would know that. So it is possible it came not from the horse's mouth but a horse's ass.

And yes, I lashed out because I am angry as this is how destructive rumors get started.

Stop; now take some deep breaths, pop on some hot cocoa an chill out.
If anyone is self-aggrandizing here it's you.
You're posting in a thread about Logic rumours, that has already run way past its course and up to about 29 pages of pure speculation.
ANY rumour posted here should be treated as such; just a rumour.

Your statement that you talked to 'an official source' holds just as much water as DJDJ's 'friend sourced' rumour. Why should I trust yours anymore than his? Because it's official? Because you say so?

Get off your high horse and treat people that try contribute something to this thread with some respect. All these accusations and petty legal statements about who violated what NDA because you might not like what you're hearing (after 20 odd pages of people wishing there was some news) do nothing but turn what should be some lighthearted speculation into a nasty thread with angry accusations.

Unless Apple announces something, Logic 8 might not even excist. It might not even be called Logic; it could be Garageband Pro, it could be 'APK' (Apple' Protools Killer). Until then, any speculation here is as good as the next, whatever people say. Sources, whether they are friends or 'my official source at Apple' mean jack sh*t unless you have a name of someone who is directly involved with the development (that you can actually publish) or a truly official press release.

Accusing someone you don't know to have said something you can't officially verify about a product that doesn't officially exsist violating an NDA you haven't seen is quite simply, ********.

And with that, I will humbly retreat from my soapbox...

Joris

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by joris de man

Stop; now take some deep breaths, pop on some hot cocoa an chill out.
If anyone is self-aggrandizing here it's you.
You're posting in a thread about Logic rumours, that has already run way past its course and up to about 29 pages of pure speculation.
ANY rumour posted here should be treated as such; just a rumour.

Your statement that you talked to 'an official source' holds just as much water as DJDJ's 'friend sourced' rumour. Why should I trust yours anymore than his? Because it's official? Because you say so?

Get off your high horse and treat people that try contribute something to this thread with some respect. All these accusations and petty legal statements about who violated what NDA because you might not like what you're hearing (after 20 odd pages of people wishing there was some news) do nothing but turn what should be some lighthearted speculation into a nasty thread with angry accusations.

Unless Apple announces something, Logic 8 might not even excist. It might not even be called Logic; it could be Garageband Pro, it could be 'APK' (Apple' Protools Killer). Until then, any speculation here is as good as the next, whatever people say. Sources, whether they are friends or 'my official source at Apple' mean jack sh*t unless you have a name of someone who is directly involved with the development (that you can actually publish) or a truly official press release.

Accusing someone you don't know to have said something you can't officially verify about a product that doesn't officially exsist violating an NDA you haven't seen is quite simply, ********.

And with that, I will humbly retreat from my soapbox...

Joris

Joris, a few points.

You are absolutely correct that my opinion only has as much credibility as you care to assign to it.

That said:

My opinion is consistent with the guy who wrote "Logic Pro 7 Power" and I am an Apple Certified Trainer so maybe, just maybe, our opinion will be deemed credible by some, if not you. Also if you visit my website you will notice that I have some record of accomplishment so some may or may not factor that in to the equation.

Those kind of rumors may be "lighthearted fun" to you but they have real world negative consequences to the companies that are victimized by them and and I will NOT treat people who are spreading them to friends by pretending to knowledge they do not have respectfully because they do not deserve it. It is the equivalent of tabloid journalism, another "harmless" practice that amuses many while hurting other people's lives.

Once again it is not MattiMattMatt or DJDJ that I am saying is necessarily responsible, it may well be their friend who is the guilty party. I went after them because their friend is not here.

Like it or not when I read someone spreading what I know to be untruths publicly I will challenge them. Believe me or not, that is indeed your choice.

[Shabo]

Originally Posted by joris de man

Stop; now take some deep breaths, pop on some hot cocoa an chill out.
If anyone is self-aggrandizing here it's you.
You're posting in a thread about Logic rumours, that has already run way past its course and up to about 29 pages of pure speculation.
ANY rumour posted here should be treated as such; just a rumour.

Your statement that you talked to 'an official source' holds just as much water as DJDJ's 'friend sourced' rumour. Why should I trust yours anymore than his? Because it's official? Because you say so?

Get off your high horse and treat people that try contribute something to this thread with some respect. All these accusations and petty legal statements about who violated what NDA because you might not like what you're hearing (after 20 odd pages of people wishing there was some news) do nothing but turn what should be some lighthearted speculation into a nasty thread with angry accusations.

Unless Apple announces something, Logic 8 might not even excist. It might not even be called Logic; it could be Garageband Pro, it could be 'APK' (Apple' Protools Killer). Until then, any speculation here is as good as the next, whatever people say. Sources, whether they are friends or 'my official source at Apple' mean jack sh*t unless you have a name of someone who is directly involved with the development (that you can actually publish) or a truly official press release.

Accusing someone you don't know to have said something you can't officially verify about a product that doesn't officially exsist violating an NDA you haven't seen is quite simply, ********.

And with that, I will humbly retreat from my soapbox...

Joris

He has spoken!!!!..relax! threads can be funny that way. They say this,we say that, we say this bout that,they say this bout us..blah blah blah....i do agree with your point BTW...

[MattiMattMatt]

Originally Posted by Ashermusic

Actually I do have experience with it and there is no such thing as this FOF clause. Apple regularly sues websites for this kind of thing.

The readers here are free of course to believe you if they wish.

Sorry - I thought the idea that an NDA would have an "FOF exclusionary clause" that allows Friends Of Friends to leak stuff to the net would be so obviously absurd and ridiculous that you would recognize it as a joke.

Of course there's no such thing as an FOF Clause. The readers here are free to laugh or think I'm an idiot.

On a non-joking note, Apple never sues websites for this kind of thing. Not once. Apple's web lawsuits are limited to situations in which the owner of the website is involved in both the collection and publication of trade secrets. Websites that host discussions like this one are not held responsible for participant content.

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by MattiMattMatt

Sorry - I thought the idea that an NDA would have an "FOF exclusionary clause" that allows Friends Of Friends to leak stuff to the net would be so obviously absurd and ridiculous that you would recognize it as a joke.

Of course there's no such thing as an FOF Clause. The readers here are free to laugh or think I'm an idiot.

On a non-joking note, Apple never sues websites for this kind of thing. Not once. Apple's web lawsuits are limited to situations in which the owner of the website is involved in both the collection and publication of trade secrets. Websites that host discussions like this one are not held responsible for participant content.

OK, clearly I had a sense of humor bypass

I did not mean to imply that Apple would sue Gearslutz because of your posts. What I meant is if a website owner were to receive info from a "friend" (btw, you should hang out with a better class of people than your friend) and publish it as fact he could be sued and I am told that Apple has done this, although I do not know it to be a fact personally.

And now, folks, in summation, you have been told the truth. Believe what you choose.

Either way please take my advice and don't be negative rumor mongers. It does in fact cause harm.

i am done with this.