Logic 8 ? *merged*

[nikki-k]

Originally Posted by Stiff

What the hell did Apple even do there then?

Well, they had all the booths reserved, but then I heard that with their new iphones and google mapping satellite, they discovered Amsterdamn wasn't THAT far away. Unfortunately, only 1/4 of those that went thought it was important enough to give up the rest of the week to sit in booths having to answer questions about the "new Logic Pro." At least that is what I heard....

[AnalogBob]

I am bummed that there seem's not to be an update. I am a big fan a[of logic in general and for the most part 7.2.3 works fine except for the fact that you cannot do tempo changes and use the view Quicktime movies at the same time without it jumping back in time and a host of other bugs in the SMTP window. A very major bug for a "pro" app to go left without a fix for how long was hoping it would be resolved but looks like no.
dfegad dfegad

[Stiff]

Originally Posted by nikki-k

they discovered Amsterdamn wasn't THAT far away.

I think you heard right

But we must not loose our hope friends, as someone else have already stated - Apple doesn't need messe to show Logic 8, they can throw their own party.

[wafze]

yeah, i was eager to see something, maybe only a 7.2.3.1 ... .... 0 00 0 0 looool

but nothing dfegad , so lets wait another month for the pro application NAB

[Stiff]

The MIPA nominees and winners have been presented. It STILL says Logic 7.3.

http://www1.mipa-award.de/2007/winner.htm

[Green Lifesaver]

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed this yet, but what is this program shown on apple's website? It doesn't look like Logic 7 or Soundtrack Pro to me?

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObje...amily=audiopro

[Lindell]

Looks like Logic Pro 7 to me....

[Lindell]

This has to be the longest "hype" thread in GS history..... 29'916 views and 485 posts of crap!
(489 including mine)

[autodidactic]

Originally Posted by Green Lifesaver

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed this yet, but what is this program shown on apple's website? It doesn't look like Logic 7 or Soundtrack Pro to me?

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObje...amily=audiopro

I don't know about that guitar being there but the actual DAW looks like some of the ads for Logic Pro 6.

[Stiff]

It's just Logic,...

[Stiff]

Originally Posted by Lindell

This has to be the longest "hype" thread in GS history..... 29'916 views and 485 posts of crap!
(489 including mine)

Yeah! Let's continue crapping it down until we're featured in Ripleys Believe it or not!

[iMAD]

Talking of crap ! then take a look @ this thread (check the last 2 pages)

http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/...5958&start=105

[heavypop]

Originally Posted by autodidactic

I don't know about that guitar being there but the actual DAW looks like some of the ads for Logic Pro 6.

What about the "picture" in the inspector bar? I'm not sure I've seen that before.

[iMAD]

Originally Posted by Stiff

Yeah! Let's continue crapping it down until we're featured in Ripleys Believe it or not!

Yeah let's continue F**KIN it until we're featured in Mac ooooooooops i mean Guiness Book

[heavypop]

What if Apple wil make something out of the fact that upcoming 8-core macs most probably could host plugs like the ones from tc and uad. If these plugs came bundeled w logic X, not only would apple kill the competition but also generate a lot of money for 3rd party developers AND sell a lot of new macs. They could dedicate 1 or 2 CPU's for "super plugs" only.

[gsilbers]

apple has a lot of "audio" software dont u think?

garbagebad

logic and

soundtrack.

i think maybe they will go with one product and have an LE and HD version. (sounds familiar no?)

so ill bet it will be Garbageband Pro. so u get into garbageband when u buy a mac and then u go "pro" with some of logics features.

oh boy, that will suck.

dfegad

come on apple, i need audiosuite and a way to record auxes
and easier way to select midi to controls
and better Fades editing and..
ahh screw it im going to use Live5 now

[Bump Music]

Originally Posted by gsilbers

apple has a lot of "audio" software dont u think?

garbagebad

logic and

soundtrack.

i think maybe they will go with one product and have an LE and HD version. (sounds familiar no?)

so ill bet it will be Garbageband Pro. so u get into garbageband when u buy a mac and then u go "pro" with some of logics features.

oh boy, that will suck.

dfegad

come on apple, i need audiosuite and a way to record auxes
and easier way to select midi to controls
and better Fades editing and..
ahh screw it im going to use Live5 now

That would be like Apple releasing iMovie Pro HDdfegad

[gsilbers]

yep, your right. it just feels like apple has pushed garbageband more than logic, with steve jobs jaming with famouse musicians on his keynotes or apple conferences and so forth.

seems like the just left logic in the back shelves.

[Fredrik]

I will put it like this. I would prefer if they address various problems and quirks with logic properly from the ground up, instead of adding to the code that has been in there forever.

Apple has the potential to make a killer DAW since they control the whole chain, computer hardware, os, coreaudio, logic, sound card, converter.

Id say that they are serious about this, they would not have made the efforts with apogee if not.







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[gsilbers]

yes. a re work of the cide would be nice and all the featrues poeple request at

www.logicprohelp.com

[joris de man]

Originally Posted by heavypop

What if Apple wil make something out of the fact that upcoming 8-core macs most probably could host plugs like the ones from tc and uad. If these plugs came bundeled w logic X, not only would apple kill the competition but also generate a lot of money for 3rd party developers AND sell a lot of new macs. They could dedicate 1 or 2 CPU's for "super plugs" only.

I suspect that pretty much all of TC's and UAD's plugins would run just dandy regular CPU's, if they wanted to.
Plugins that were once exclusive to DSP systems (such as the Sony Oxfords) run fine on native CPU's, and today's processors would have ample processing power to run them.
TC Powercore is a pretty regular DSP card with the same DSP's as an HD card (or was it Mix? Can't remember); the UAD card is actually a 5-6 year old graphics card modded to do DSP processing instead of GFX processing, and I don't even want to geustimate how much power they would get on today's graphics cards (Nvidia Quadro for example).
Consider that a dual core processor these days easily runs the equivelent amount of plugins that a Mixfarm can.

They won't, however, because it is against their interest. You can't suddenly start producing native plugins when for years you've claimed they can only run on your proprierty hardware.

Cheers,

Joris

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by joris de man

I suspect that pretty much all of TC's and UAD's plugins would run just dandy regular CPU's, if they wanted to.
Plugins that were once exclusive to DSP systems (such as the Sony Oxfords) run fine on native CPU's, and today's processors would have ample processing power to run them.
TC Powercore is a pretty regular DSP card with the same DSP's as an HD card (or was it Mix? Can't remember); the UAD card is actually a 5-6 year old graphics card modded to do DSP processing instead of GFX processing, and I don't even want to geustimate how much power they would get on today's graphics cards (Nvidia Quadro for example).
Consider that a dual core processor these days easily runs the equivelent amount of plugins that a Mixfarm can.

They won't, however, because it is against their interest. You can't suddenly start producing native plugins when for years you've claimed they can only run on your proprierty hardware.

Cheers,

Joris

Id second that, I suspect that the number one reason a company goes that route today is to protect against piracy. There are benchmarks on the apogee site comparing a TDM based DSP card with a mac pro and the mac kills the that card in terms of power.

[hmurchison]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

Id second that, I suspect that the number one reason a company goes that route today is to protect against piracy. There are benchmarks on the apogee site comparing a TDM based DSP card with a mac pro and the mac kills the that card in terms of power.

And it'll only get worse. Intel and AMD are working on new microprocessor cores that
can contain special processing core dedicated to specialized processing. AMD Torrenza and Fusion add Hyptertransport enabled co-processing services and Fusion is a CPU/GPU hybrid.

DSP chips simply aren't keeping up with the microprocessor design. Later this year we'll see volume production of Intel's 45nm Penryn (Core2 shrink) microprocessor followed by Nehalem next year which is much faster in key areas. The next year after that you'll see 32nm parts called Westmere and 4 years from now you'll have yet another new core called Gesher. Each step will bring more cores, larger caches, faster busses and new core technologies.

If in 5 years native processing systems aren't the most powerful systems out I'll eat a bug. Right now hardware boxes are just dongles.

[autodidactic]

Native systems are going to be supercharged for sure but don't count out DSP systems yet. Below is an interesting link about IBM showcasing their cell processor. The implication is that OSX is not running on the cell but that the cell is doing the rendering on a DSP card of some sort. So just imagine a dsp card with 16 cell processors on it. I bet the dsp card manufacturers will move in this direction and if/when they do, things can get really interesting. IMHO the way the near future is looking, it seems like you won't be able to go wrong with any platform native or otherwise.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...cell+processor

[Stiff]

Well... If you look at the whole thing historically, wasn't the same claims made with the old computers that are now obsolete? Since the Amiga days (that's as far back as I go) people (companies) have been saying "this and that is possible and now we don't need this and that". Guess what, the Mac Pro won't smoke in two years from now and Digidesign will probably have DSP cards that really improve.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the whole native development and can't wait to try a Symphony system (death to latency), but there will be bigger fishes in the DSP ponds as well... We aren't looking at the death of DSP, simply at the next generation of native that will FORCE a next generation DSP to come out of the shadows.

... All speculation of course

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by Stiff

We aren't looking at the death of DSP, simply at the next generation of native that will FORCE a next generation DSP to come out of the shadows.

... All speculation of course

We have already witnessed the death of DSP cards as necessary processing tools, and have seen the birth of them as dongles.

[Stiff]

Well, I wasn't arguing against THAT.

[gsilbers]

Damn, i want my Logic 8

or garbageband pro or whatever its new name will be
(if theres a new name for it)

hopefully it wont look like final cut pro or soundtrack and DVD studio pro , all that greyish look , its soooo 2002 eh

(PD im joking, some guy at logicprohelp.com got really pissed when i said the new name of logic pro will be garbageband pro)

[steff3]

Originally Posted by gsilbers

(PD im joking, some guy at logicprohelp.com got really pissed when i said the new name of logic pro will be garbageband pro)

:-) would definitely be appropriate if you look at the presentations from the Musikmesse:
Apple - nothing
Steinberg - a Garageband clone
NI - repackaging of NI
Arturia - a stolen product for which they use a dongle to protect "THEIR"(?!) intellectual property
Propellerheads - nothing new

But if they do not get editing right that time Logic will be the King of my trash can - so garbageband pro is very probable....

best

[hmurchison]

Originally Posted by autodidactic

Native systems are going to be supercharged for sure but don't count out DSP systems yet. Below is an interesting link about IBM showcasing their cell processor. The implication is that OSX is not running on the cell but that the cell is doing the rendering on a DSP card of some sort. So just imagine a dsp card with 16 cell processors on it. I bet the dsp card manufacturers will move in this direction and if/when they do, things can get really interesting. IMHO the way the near future is looking, it seems like you won't be able to go wrong with any platform native or otherwise.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...cell+processor

Good video. The interviewer was a bit clueless but I was amazed at
the 720p raycasting of Mt St Helens. I can only imagine what
improvements will be made with further process shrinks and core
changes. The very little that I do know about Cell is that the
Synergistic Processor Elements (SPE) are simplified as compared to the
modern day general microprocessor but they are total BEAST when it
comes to handling the stuff that makes modern day procs struggle.

I guess I'll need to find out how Cell could integrate with today's
general purpose CPU for a powerhouse tandem.

OT- I send you a friend request. Impressive music I'd like to support
you. Hope you don't mind

Originally Posted by gsilbers

Damn, i want my Logic 8

or garbageband pro or whatever its new name will be
(if theres a new name for it)

hopefully it wont look like final cut pro or soundtrack and DVD studio pro , all that greyish look , its soooo 2002 eh

(PD im joking, some guy at logicprohelp.com got really pissed when i said the new name of logic pro will be garbageband pro)

LOL I saw that. Man he must have had a bad day.