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Old 26th February 2007   #1
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Question logic, changing latency problem

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the latency in my logic DAW does not seem to be constant.

IF I try and set the record offset to compensate for the latency I would have thought I should be able to set it once and forget it. Unfortunately this is not the case.

It seems to vary ALOT between different projects, and
(to a lesser degree) even between different takes in the same project.

I thought at first it was an issue with my firewire audio interface, but now I am using Lynx AES cards and it has not fixed the problem.

Friends of mine have said they have the same issue, but I can't find any thing about it on the web. Everyone works around it by looping the click track in occasionally then setting the record offset afresh from time to time.

Everyone (well 3 people) that I know that has noticed this has different systems. Mine is two Lynx AES cards, another has an 002, and another has an m-audio USB device. The only similarity is Logic and G5's.

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Would help to know:

which Version are u using?
what interface are u using?
Are u using plugins on youre recording tracks?
Are u using outboard in a I/O Plugin?
Are u using PDC while recording?
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which Version are u using?
latest versions of logic and osx

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what interface are u using?
two lynx AES 16's clocked (and locked) to mytek 896's

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Are u using outboard in a I/O Plugin?
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no plugins on tracks that are being recorded, although there are (at least sometimes) plugins on tracks that are just being played back, I wouldn't have thought this would make a difference? If it does it still wouldn't acount for different latencies on two different takes immediately after each other..

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Would help to know:

Are u using plugins on youre recording tracks?

Are u using PDC while recording?
actually I was just thinking, maybe plugins on busses could cause this? on a track the compensation is done by shiftingthe original audio early (I assume) but on busses this is not as easily possible, so perhaps it does PDC by delaying outputs? if that makes sence

I'll look into it

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actually I was just thinking, maybe plugins on busses could cause this? on a track the compensation is done by shiftingthe original audio early (I assume) but on busses this is not as easily possible, so perhaps it does PDC by delaying outputs? if that makes sence

I'll look into it

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i've found that when running signal to outboard, PDC set to all is less accurate than "Audio tracks & inst". but PDC does compensate for plugins on busses.

honestly, i've never touched the Recording Delay. but i don't use software monitoring either, instead i use RME FF800's direct monitoring.
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i've found that when running signal to outboard, PDC set to all is less accurate than "Audio tracks & inst". but PDC does compensate for plugins on busses.

honestly, i've never touched the Recording Delay. but i don't use software monitoring either, instead i use RME FF800's direct monitoring.
I've been having recording delay issues with Logic 7.2.3 with a Metric Halo interface... I solved the problem by turning off Logic's software monitoring and using the MH monitoring only...PDC or having a plugins up didn't seem to make a difference.

I was quite amazed by how badly delayed recordings are if software monitoring is left on...very scary It makes a huge difference if you're recording a tight bassline for example. I'm guessing it's a bug with Logic that causes this.

I'm now in a position where the system will nearly pass an out of phase nulling test, but not quite. If anyone has a method for calculating the remaining (very small) latency so it can be compensated for using the recording delay offset, it would be much appreciated.
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I've been having recording delay issues with Logic 7.2.3 with a Metric Halo interface... I solved the problem by turning off Logic's software monitoring and using the MH monitoring only...PDC or having a plugins up didn't seem to make a difference.

I was quite amazed by how badly delayed recordings are if software monitoring is left on...very scary It makes a huge difference if you're recording a tight bassline for example. I'm guessing it's a bug with Logic that causes this.

I'm now in a position where the system will nearly pass an out of phase nulling test, but not quite. If anyone has a method for calculating the remaining (very small) latency so it can be compensated for using the recording delay offset, it would be much appreciated.
this has f'd me up a couple times.
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FX on busses will do this. You can set "low latency mode" to off and it will disable high latency plugs like the Adaptive Limiter when you're recording. I've had a few times where I went down the rabbit hole and then noticed there was an AL on a bus. Mostly things work fine, but there's still those moments when you look up and say "it's a Logic moment". Some times all you can do is perform blood sacrifice (any small animal will do), light some candles and incense, do a dance, reboot, and pray it works.
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FX on busses will do this. You can set "low latency mode" to off and it will disable high latency plugs like the Adaptive Limiter when you're recording. I've had a few times where I went down the rabbit hole and then noticed there was an AL on a bus. Mostly things work fine, but there's still those moments when you look up and say "it's a Logic moment". Some times all you can do is perform blood sacrifice (any small animal will do), light some candles and incense, do a dance, reboot, and pray it works.
Good to know about these things...especially the buss fx issue. I'm going to real careful about checking the timing of overdubs in the future, especially late in the game when there might be plugs on board. Will also get the cat to catch some mice for the animal sacrifices...it all helps.
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Sometimes all you can do is perform blood sacrifice (any small animal will do), light some candles and incense, do a dance, reboot, and pray it works.
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Good to know about these things...especially the buss fx issue. I'm going to real careful about checking the timing of overdubs in the future, especially late in the game when there might be plugs on board. Will also get the cat to catch some mice for the animal sacrifices...it all helps.

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would girlfriend's fat, obnoxious cat be acceptable?

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FX on busses will do this. You can set "low latency mode" to off and it will disable high latency plugs like the Adaptive Limiter when you're recording. I've had a few times where I went down the rabbit hole and then noticed there was an AL on a bus. Mostly things work fine, but there's still those moments when you look up and say "it's a Logic moment". Some times all you can do is perform blood sacrifice (any small animal will do), light some candles and incense, do a dance, reboot, and pray it works.
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try turn the I/O safty buffer off and set your buffer size to 'small'. it worked for me
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