FINISHED: Steven Slate Drums with Drumagog

[Andrew07]

samples: http://www.stevenslatedrums.com/
groupbuy: www.stevenslatedrums.com/groupbuy.html

So I just got my sample cd yesterday and I'm really excited it to use it . Now, I don't have much experience with Drumagog/replacing. What is the "ducking method?" Bang, I think I read in a post of yours where you mentioned it. I see that Drumagog can have multiple sample layers per track and the Steven Slate sample cd has multiple velocity layers. For pop/rock how many should I be using? In Steven's samples Kick 10 under Z3 has 4-Kick hard 4-Kick Medium and 4-Kick soft. Thanks!



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OFFER IS FINISHED


OFFICIAL GROUP BUY RULES

First, I want to thank George for helping with this.

Here are the rules of the GEARSLUTZ Steven Slate Drums GROUP BUY:

1. To prevent people from dropping out, this will be a CASH BACK GROUP BUY

2. To participate in the group buy, you must first PM George Necola your full name and email

3. You will then go to www.stevenslatedrums.com/groupbuy.html and purchase the disc for its full price of $199, using regular priority shipping only (not express), and it will be shipped to you immediately

4. At the end of the group buy, which we have made January 14th, George will send us his list, and we will verify it with the buyers from the group buy page.

5. If 15-24 people have purchased, they will receive 20 dollars back via PAYPAL.
If 25-34 people have purchased, they will receive 40 dollars back via PAYPAL.
If 35 or more people have purchased, they will receive 50 dollars back via PAYPAL.

6. We will have George send us an updated list each day and we will post the number of people in the group buy at www.stevenslatedrums.com/groupbuy.html

This should be a fairly easy way to save yourself some cash, and get yourself a virtual worldclass drum locker! Thanks everyone, and thanks again George.

[XHipHop]

I'm sure someone will come along and give you a great tutorial but in the meantime, open up one of the preset sounds in drumagog and look at how the samples are arranged in there. That should give you a very good idea of where you need to go.

[Bang]

Hi Andrew. The first thing I would do is read over the Drumagog current manual. Its a pretty intense plugin with tons of features.

But for the most part, I would start out with the Z1 hits, and go to the SAMPLES menu. I would go to subgroup, GROUPS, and put reset, 4 groups. Then I'd delete one so you have three velocity layers for your three velocity kicks. Now click the samples tab, and import all the Z1 kicks hits in all the velocities. When you click on them, you'll be able to choose their group. All of the hard kicks should go in group 3, the medium in group 2, and the soft in group 1. Go to the main tab and put resolution to AUTO. Hit play and see what happens. If you go to the samples/group tab, you'll be able to SEE which hits are being used for your triggering. If for instance, you see a lot of the medium velocity kicks going off when there should be the hard velocity kicks, adjust the group sliders down accordingly. For kick, you'll want almost all of the hard velocity, so have that group slider at a decent point to grab most of the kicks, with the medium and soft velocities farther down to only get soft kicks that need the soft kick hit. Remember that even with all hard velocity kicks, given the fact that the kicks are multisampled AND that drumagog uses dyanmic tracking, the kick track will sound very realistic and will have dynamics as long as the source does as well. Hope this helps. Give me a shout if you need more info.

[Bang]

I should also say that we are working hard on getting the GOG disc done, and its free for anyone who buys the wav disc. Here now is a new demo we just posted on the site which utilizes three different Z1 kick/snares and the Z1 birch toms. It also reveals the original drums.

www.stevenslatedrums.com/demo/stevenslate14.mp3

The first minute starts out with mellow snare 4 and thuddy kick 6, then to the original drums, then goes to snare 9 with its amazing crack and kick 8 with it punchy round attack, then ends with kick 5 "the metal kick" and snare 10 the fatty smacker!! Throughout the demo, birch toms are used for tom replacement.
Andrew let me know how things are going, I'll help in any way I can.

[cajonezzz]

Hey Steven- do you have any experience with Aptrigga? and if so, how does it compare to drumagogg...

i've got the demo of drumagogg, but I'm avoiding jumping in, as learning another plug is down the priority list right now. Also, I've had good luck with
Aptrigga.

?

[Bang]

Aptrigga is a good plugin. And while it does allow multiple velocities, I do not believe it can do multi samples WITHIN these velocities. For professional drum replacing, I highly recommend Drumagog. The lite version is not that expensive. There is definitely a learning curve, but once you get over this curve, its an amazing plugin. I should have mentioned that in the newest demo (demo 1B on the site) I used the drumagog ducking feature. This feature applies a keyed gain reduction to tracks that you want to "duck" the original drum tracks out of ie: ducking the snare from overheads.

Having said that, my disc will work great with aptrigga and it'll sound fine, and we do have some guys who told me they were using aptrigga with the disc.

[Andrew07]

These samples sound kick ASS . Bang, I used the tips you detailed in your above post for some rock kicks and it sounded GREAT. I've only messed with the kicks so far, but I'm also trying to learn Drumagog as I go. If you could be kind enough to offer any tips for snare, I'd sure appreciate it. Everyone go buy these samples now!!!!

[George Necola]

wooooow!!!

these samples rock. I just ordered a CD buy it now!

is it possible to make a groupbuy?
like:
20 copies: - 5%
40 orders: - 10%

something like this?

[YellowMatter]

Hi George, I think we could definitley entertain the idea of a group buy. And since there has been such positive feedback, I will even offer better numbers.

group buy

15-24 people - you receive 20 dollars back via PAYPAL.
25-34 people - you receive 40 dollars back via PAYPAL.
35 or more people - you will receive 50 dollars back via PAYPAL.

Hows that sound? Who can help organize this?

Mark

[luctellier]

[QUOTE=Bang;1039518]Aptrigga is a good plugin. And while it does allow multiple velocities, I do not believe it can do multi samples WITHIN these velocities. QUOTE]

It does!

[Bang]

In that case, it should be a fine tool to use. Can it save sample sets as presets? I actually have it installed on one of our Nuendo machines, I'll have to load it up. Is the multisampling a new feature, beause I'm sure our plugin has not been updated in a while.

As for this group buy, if anyone would like to help organize it, please PM me or Mark. We'll have to figure out a START and END date.

Now, to Andrew.. First, great that your diggin it. Second, the snares.

I would set up the dynamic groups in Drumagog first. There should be a decent amount of space between the CRACKS velocity and the HARD velocity. You don't want a slight mishit to trigger a HARD when it should have been a crack. So I would also go through your original snare track and CLEAN it up. Remove excess leakage that can cause a mistrigger. Fix mishits. And even out the dynamics a bit so your resulting sampled snare isn't too weak at parts. But again, knowing the Drumagog features will really help.

For TOMS, 90% of the time, I get tom tracks that were recorded a bit too low. So even though the drummer is nailing them, it only picks up the medium and soft velocities of the tom samples in Drumagog. So what I'll usually do is stick a limiter before drumagog so it brings the tom peaks up. You could also lower the dynamic groups in Drumagog.

If this confuses anyone, let me know.

[luctellier]

Steve,

With ApTrigga2 you can select the Multimode samples:

Manual
Dynamic
Sequence
Random
Stack
Dynastack

I would never return to Drumagog. I LOVE ApTrigga... the only time I use Drumagog is when I need the trigger to create a midi signal.

[Bang]

Thats very cool, I'll have to check it out again. Can it import samples sets as presets?

I should also say, that if you checked out Drumagog before 4.07, it has had a lot of new features, and better trigger engine as well. The auto align feature works great as well. I personally use and will endorse Drumagog, but the wav CD can be loaded into ANYTHING, Aptrigga, Sound Replacer, etc.

What would really help us now is figuring out which sampler format/s to work with. We've heard Reason Refill, Kontakt2, Mach 5. I don't know much about samplers so user and customer assistance will be greatly needed. I do know that once we do get it on a sampler format, its going to be really fun programing these drums from scratch!

[luctellier]

Steven,

It does, I just tried to create a preset with 10 samples, all the settings and stuff, save it to a preset.. removed the plugins, put it back on the audio channel, reloaded the preset and everything's there! ;)

Btw, I tried the latest version of Drumagog, I like it but ApTrigga is less pricey, consumes less CPU ressources too.

[Bang]

Two things...

It can load a preset that you've made.. but, is there a way to make sample sets that can be loaded into it that haven't been made on your machine? Like loading a GOG?

Also, I just went through the manual again, and I do see that in Dynamic mode you can use one sample per velocity, with the hardest velocity on top, the lowest on bottom. BUT, it still doesn't appear that you can use different hits WITHIN those velocities. You can use different hits of the same velocity in RANDOM mode, but then you can only use one velocity. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[luctellier]

Unfortunately, no I've not been able to save a presets within the plugins (like Waves SSL or others). It's a Cubase Presets... it's not possible to create something like the GOG files. I also verified your point and no it's no possible to use multisamples for a specified velocity like we do so easily in Drumagog but it's possible to use the Dynamic mode to bend the threshold line and tells ApTrigga to use randomly the sample above or below at a sample level. I don't if you understand but check by yourself you'll understand :)

[yeloocproducer]

Will you do a compatible "kit" organization for TL Drum Rehab?

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by Bang

What would really help us now is figuring out which sampler format/s to work with. We've heard Reason Refill, Kontakt2, Mach 5. I don't know much about samplers so user and customer assistance will be greatly needed. I do know that once we do get it on a sampler format, its going to be really fun programing these drums from scratch!

Well I was actually going to ask you a question about that just yesterday...

I want the Drums, cos they are immediate and punchy and full of 'vibe' - I am not traditionally a 'Rock' producer/mixer but I have done indy, pop rock stuff which I programme from scratch when arranging for clients.

I think BFD is overkill for my needs and your samples are just the ticket for the kind of stuff I might do, but...........I am a Logic pro 7 guy and I cannot live without my EXS24 MKII sampler.

So i'll put in a shout for that EXS format.

I was thinking about buying the drum samples and programming the layers into the sampler - I dont think your sample CD is a 'squillion gigabytes' in size so it presumably is a do-able job and not too time consuming.

[Bang]

We've had quite a few people ask us for EXS. After sampling the best collection of cymbals in Z system, our first plans are to do Kontakt 2, Reason Refill, Gigastudio, and then EXS. We're also going to contact MOTU about Mach 5.

I like BFD, but from what our customers have told us, its a lot easier to get a finished, radio ready drum sound using our samples. But its not really a straight up comparison because we don't have "kits" we just have a virtual drum locker with tons of snares and kicks all sounding unique for different styles of music, all processed with the best vintage and modern gear.. and you can quickly choose your room size with the Z system. I'm very psyched to get the cymbal pack done so we can get the sampler stuff going. Some of our customers have mixed the hits with their own cymbals and have made some drum tracks that I would never have realized were programmed.

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by Bang

We've had quite a few people ask us for EXS. After sampling the best collection of cymbals in Z system, our first plans are to do Kontakt 2, Reason Refill, Gigastudio, and then EXS. We're also going to contact MOTU about Mach 5.

That is great news. I am a definate buyer.

BFD is something I will also buy later, but the accessibility of quickly creating 'ready to rock' drums with you sample set is perfect for my needs just now.

I have other sample sets like Artist Drums / Real Giga Drums and other stuff but your sounds are on the button - breath of fresh air.

[George Necola]

group buy

15-24 people - you receive 20 dollars back via PAYPAL.
25-34 people - you receive 40 dollars back via PAYPAL.
35 or more people - you will receive 50 dollars back via PAYPAL.


Mark

hm... I can do it for ya.

send me a PM with name, adress and the amount you wana order.

let's make it a 2 weeks offer. end is 14th of January 2007.



cheers George

[YellowMatter]

OFFICIAL GROUP BUY RULES

First, I want to thank George for helping with this.

Here are the rules of the GEARSLUTZ Steven Slate Drums GROUP BUY:

1. To prevent people from dropping out, this will be a CASH BACK GROUP BUY

2. To participate in the group buy, you must first PM George Necola your full name and email

3. You will then go to www.stevenslatedrums.com/groupbuy.html and purchase the disc for its full price of $199, using regular priority shipping only (not express), and it will be shipped to you immediately

4. At the end of the group buy, which we have made January 14th, George will send us his list, and we will verify it with the buyers from the group buy page.

5. If 15-24 people have purchased, they will receive 20 dollars back via PAYPAL.
If 25-34 people have purchased, they will receive 40 dollars back via PAYPAL.
If 35 or more people have purchased, they will receive 50 dollars back via PAYPAL.

6. We will have George send us an updated list each day and we will post the number of people in the group buy at www.stevenslatedrums.com/groupbuy.html

This should be a fairly easy way to save yourself some cash, and get yourself a virtual worldclass drum locker! Thanks everyone, and thanks again George.

[Bang]

Group Buy page is up and running now at:
www.stevenslatedrums.com/groupbuy.html

New Jerry Lyons drum demos coming today as well.

[Mazaga]

Hi Steve...
Don't you deliver it to South America...I live in Brazil
At your site I saw US, Canada, Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia.

Let me know

thanks

M.

[Bang]

We can deliver anywhere on the planet, for Latin America, choose US/Canada and I'll have someone create a new Latin America option today, sorry about that.

[Bang]

new demos of drummer Jerry Lyons posted today with samples replacing kick snare and toms. PM George Necola or go to
www.stevenslatedrums.com/groupbuy.html to find out about the group buy that can be a potential 25%

Rock/Hard Rock Jerry Lyons
www.stevenslatedrums.com/demo/stevenslate16.mp3

Pop/Rock Jerry Lyons
www.stevenslatedrums.com/demo/stevenslate17.mp3

SPEED METAL!! Jerry Lyons
www.stevenslatedrums.com/demo/stevenslate18.mp3

You can find out about the Gearslutz group buy at;
www.stevenslatedrums.com/groupbuy.html

or PM George Necola

Anyone who bought the drum disc today, Dec 30th, please email George and you can still be elligible for the cash back. Thanks guys for the kind words on the drums, I'm getting out of the studio now but I'll come back later and post some stuff on the making of the disc.

[George Necola]

groupbuy is up and running..

[johnjm22]

Everything I've heard about this library has been good, and the demos sound great!

My only gripe is that there's only 3 toms per set.

Is there a chance that down the road a set of four or even five toms could be added to the library? Rarely ever do I record at set with less then 4 toms.

[modulation]

No cymbals? Cymbals in the near future perhap? i believe this may have been mentioned something about cymbals in an earlier post.

[RoundBadge]

Originally Posted by johnjm22

Everything I've heard about this library has been good, and the demos sound great!

My only gripe is that there's only 3 toms per set.

Is there a chance that down the road a set of four or even five toms could be added to the library? Rarely ever do I record at set with less then 4 toms.

I've just been retuning the toms to create whatever pitche's needed for anything more than 3 toms..sounds great.