Roger Nichols Digital - They Did It Right! Congrats

[Dr Gruv]

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[James Lehmann]

Fair enough. But for those of us that don't have or want iLoks...??

[chriscoleman]

How is it possible to run a well-stocked DAW and NOT have at least one iLok these days?

[kingswood6]

I think it was "done right" before, as Elemental Audio. More realistic prices, no intrusive copy protection, cleaner design, plugin names that don't make you laugh...

Regards,

Will

[PDC]

Originally Posted by James Lehmann

Fair enough. But for those of us that don't have or want iLoks...??

Look into my eyes. Trust me. You need the mark. Take the mark. Would you like you iLok mark on your forehead or in your hand? If you do not have it you will die.

Sounds familiar.

[emgbiotch]

Originally Posted by chriscoleman

How is it possible to run a well-stocked DAW and NOT have at least one iLok these days?

UAD cards...thats how i do it...they kill...

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by emgbiotch

UAD cards...thats how i do it...they kill...

Yeah, and I hav eyet to be charged for a single sofwtare update.

[chriscoleman]

Originally Posted by emgbiotch

UAD cards...

...which is a card-based iLok of sorts.

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by chriscoleman

...which is a card-based iLok of sorts.

I guess.
Except that it works.
You can't lose it.
And it it wont break, as some iloks tend to do.

[Toad]

Originally Posted by kingswood6

I think it was "done right" before, as Elemental Audio. More realistic prices, no intrusive copy protection, cleaner design, plugin names that don't make you laugh...

Regards,

Will

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Roger Nichols

[chriscoleman]

Originally Posted by Henchman

I guess.
Except that it works.
You can't lose it.
And it it wont break, as some iloks tend to do.

And you can't take UAD cards with you (practically speaking) or add plugins from any manufacturer other than UAD.

What doesn't work about iLok? I know there have been gripes about the system, but generally speaking it works well. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I've never had a problem with the system...in fact, I prefer it to challenge/response authos.

[Henchman]

Originally Posted by chriscoleman

And you can't take UAD cards with you (practically speaking) or add plugins from any manufacturer other than UAD.

What doesn't work about iLok? I know there have been gripes about the system, but generally speaking it works well. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I've never had a problem with the system...in fact, I prefer it to challenge/response authos.

You absolutely can, if you set it up right.
I have 4 uad-1's in a cut down 4-slot Magma chassis.
Works liek a charm.

[Windshore]

Hey
Thanks for posting... I've just got used to the idea that I really can't use my elemental plugins anymore. However, your experience might be unique. I just enquired and they want $20 to transfer,... which is fine with me... I'm glad to know I can continue to use the plugs going into the future and $20 is certainly reasonable. I, like you, was very pissed when RND took over and didn't offer an upgrade- crossgrade path, but maybe they've decided it's better to have a larger installed base than have a bunch of former users so pissed off, they'd never use your product!

[kingswood6]

Yes, they've always been good folks at EA, and I purchased most of their original plugins.

Now that they have modified their upgrade policy, perhaps I'll consider the switch, too. (Still, the new names. )

Regards,

Will

[e-cue]

Originally Posted by Dr Gruv

Roger Nichols Digital - They did it right! Congrats
I can Give Praise Also - Not Just Complain

Roger Nichols Digital - They Did it Right Thank You

I had (4) elemental plugs... I emailed them about transferring over to RND plugs and how to begin the process.

(1) Got a form email from elemental to contact RND.

(2) OK contacted them, they said ‘fine, no problem’ Do you have an ILOK? I said sure..

(3) they deposited the licenses to ILOK - I downloaded the licenses and the software and was up and running with the RND plugs. No hassles - No FEES - nothing.

I was one of the biggest vocal critics and now realize that in all fairness, they need to be praised for doing it right!

GOOD JOB Elemental - to Roger Nichols Digital

I sincerely CONGRATULATE YOU - You did it right

-Mr. D

They told me it would be $20 to crossgrade and didn't say if that was for one or all plug in's. This is actually kinda dumb on their end because without the ilok, I'm forced to install and register each plug in on every new system I'm on, so those rigs are running the plug in's without paying- permanently. I'm not screaming bloody murder, but the fact that they treat customers different ($20 for me, free for you) turns me off.

Next thing you know they'll come up with a software version of an 80's sounding drum replacer with "izer" on the end of the name.

[sam c]

I liked Elemental Audio.

[James Lehmann]

Originally Posted by chriscoleman

How is it possible to run a well-stocked DAW and NOT have at least one iLok these days?

I'll be the first to admit my DAW is not well-stocked.

And one of the reasons for this is I've got totally fed up with the hassles, waste of time and expense of running workable software from the likes of Waves, Elemental Audio and Arboretum

I've gone back to hardware.

[Johns]

Originally Posted by James Lehmann

I'll be the first to admit my DAW is not well-stocked.

And one of the reasons for this is I've got totally fed up with the hassles, waste of time and expense of running workable software from the likes of Waves, Elemental Audio and Arboretum

I've gone back to hardware.

I agree. I have bought more hardware in the last few years. The software dance of upgrade cost, buyouts of companies, glitches with the host software, etc, has turned me off. I wouldn't mind trying the RND plugs at some time, but I am in no hurry.

[sam c]

Originally Posted by James Lehmann

And one of the reasons for this is I've got totally fed up with the hassles, waste of time and expense of running workable software from the likes of Waves, Elemental Audio and Arboretum
I've gone back to hardware.

Too bad these companies can't see the potential harm to their customer base for just these sort of things!!

I had not thought of going hardware but, if I sold all of my plugs I could get a decent start!!

[Third Eye]

I can confirm that it's US $20 for each plug-in. I emailed them yesterday, and they set up an account in their online store that basically charges $20 for each plug-in that you previously had EA authorizations for. I haven't decided yet if I want spend $100 to crossgrade 5 plug-ins that are currently working fine for me in PT 7.3. When the IXL plug-in came out, I only spent $29 for it originally!!!

[Whitecat]

I'm waiting till my EA versions break, and even then I'll be evaluating whether I actually need the new ones. There's nothing new in the RND versions other than the genius names and apparently some new presets.

Edit: wow, that was my 200th post. How uninteresting!

[TC5]

Originally Posted by kingswood6

plugin names that don't make you laugh...

Will

I hope they come up with a ugugelizer....

Elemental Audio was better.

[drew]

I was quoted $20 per plug also.

[GPl]

$20.xx each here also. I only have 2. The names reflect the mind set of the new owner. I'm not sure I'm ready to take that road. Besides, I don't use that many plug-ins. Especially ones with "izer" at the end of every name.
p.s. j/k

[ignatius]

dr. gruv, you must be really excited. i read this exact post on the bigbluelounge

i'm a cross posting bastard myself so i guess i can't say much.

merry x-mas. i like elemental audio. i hate stuff sticking out the back/side of my laptop.

[Slapstikz]

Originally Posted by kingswood6

I think it was "done right" before, as Elemental Audio. More realistic prices, no intrusive copy protection, cleaner design, plugin names that don't make you laugh...

Regards,

Will

uhm ... folks! I am not sure ... but ... shouldn't it be about sound? A not about names?? Can we please come back to topic and stop discussing names and iLoks? I would like to know what you guys think about the quality of the plug ins in comparision to the top of the software Eqs and dynamics aso ...

Does anyone know if UNIQUEL-IZER is linear??

BTW: You can find a small kind of review of the plug ins I have posted on another topic about the RNDs here (I have the trials now).
link: Elemental Audio.....Oooops! I mean Roger Nichols Limiter + EQ

thats from me so far ...

[e-cue]

Originally Posted by gilmano

uhm ... folks! I am not sure ... but ... shouldn't it be about sound? A not about names?? Can we please come back to topic and stop discussing names and iLoks?

You are missing the point, which is that since the company turned into "Roger Nichols Digital", none of the changes have been positive or beneficial to the preexisting consumer base that, from what I can tell, was already happy with the product.

Are you suggesting Roger gets a pat on the back for ONLY giving the plugin's stupid names which will lead to confusion down the line, charging different people different pricing for the crossgrade/namechange (or forcing people that do not support or use the ilok system to have to buy into it and use it)?

Except for screwing those up... [sarcasm]yeah... sure... bang up job Rog. Can't wait for the soundreplacer plug in that makes all my drums sound like HEART in the 1980's[/sarcasm]

[Slapstikz]

Originally Posted by e-cue

You are missing the point, which is that since the company turned into "Roger Nichols Digital", none of the changes have been positive or beneficial to the preexisting consumer base that, from what I can tell, was already happy with the product.

Are you suggesting Roger gets a pat on the back for ONLY giving the plugin's stupid names which will lead to confusion down the line, charging different people different pricing for the crossgrade/namechange (or forcing people that do not support or use the ilok system to have to buy into it and use it)?

Except for screwing those up... [sarcasm]yeah... sure... bang up job Rog. Can't wait for the soundreplacer plug in that makes all my drums sound like HEART in the 1980's[/sarcasm]

I don't think that I am missing the point - Once again, because we shouldn't care about comany political question, we should care about what the gear is doing. You for example still don't tell what it is doing good or bad (I don't even know if you have ever tested them). All I wanna find in a gear depending message board are detailed infomations about what the gear is definitely doing good or bad.

so, back to topic: Does anyone has compared RND with Waves EQ? Can anybody please share impressions with me?

thanks in advance ...

[George Necola]

the Equim is really good.

a bit harsh in the 2k region in my opinion. so I use it mainly to cut toms, or high lowpass.. buts its really good.

so roger nichols just changed the interface... I assume that its cool.

cheers

[Slapstikz]

Originally Posted by George Necola

the Equim is really good.

a bit harsh in the 2k region in my opinion. so I use it mainly to cut toms, or high lowpass.. buts its really good.

so roger nichols just changed the interface... I assume that its cool.

cheers

so you think the EQs still use the same algorythmics? Is Eqium equivalent to the UNIQUEL-IZER ? The Frequelizer seems to be the linear one, is that right? I am not sure but it sounds to me much harder than the UNIQUEL-IZER, and more metallic if I change jsut a lil bit of anything?