It is a shame. - Page 7 - Gearslutz.com Gearslutz.com
 


All Advertisers
Go Back   Gearslutz.com > The Forums > Archives > Music Business

It is a shame.
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 16th May 2012   #181
Gear addict
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 479

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Eppstein View Post
Because I'm not bashing or trolling anybody - you are.

People try to make serious answers to your "questions" but by the way you act afterwards you're not interested in answers, you're just trying to bait people.

And I had the thread closed because it was my thread and you ruined it.
I'm done. If you don't get anything I've said than I guess that's how it goes.
frednurk is offline  
Old 16th May 2012   #182
Gear addict
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 479

Quote:
Originally Posted by rack gear View Post
My quote from the article is about people who work on records, as in recording professionals making less money than they used too. Record Sales are DOWN dramatically. When there are less sales, there is less money to pay musicians and less musicians get hired, and of those who do get hired, they get paid less.

It's simple math.

The article goes on to explain how a lot of other creatives are suffering as well, which is all related to the trickle down effect of there being less money generated from the sale of professional creative works.

and yes, the "Internet" is addressed, and it's clear from the article the "internet" is central to the problems it is describing:



I think line is appropriate as well...


One thing we know for sure, is that just because distribution has been democratized, talent certainly has not been.
Done with you, too. If you don't get it, than that's how it goes. I see you are already trolling up the other thread. That's too bad. But it's your forum not mine.
frednurk is offline  
Old 16th May 2012   #183
Lives for gear
 
DaveUK's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Location: newcastle upon tyne
Posts: 1,120
My Recordings/Credits

Are all the Audio forums melting down !!! It's worse than the Euro crisis round here and all over the web what's going on ? Have the trolls won ? Or are there no Pro's left ...
I went looking for alternatives and found destruction everywhere :+(
DaveUK is offline  
Old 16th May 2012   #184
Lives for gear
 
DaveUK's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Location: newcastle upon tyne
Posts: 1,120
My Recordings/Credits

Thread ended ...maybe .
It's a gift I have
DaveUK is offline  
Old 16th May 2012   #185
Banned
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 557

Quote:
Originally Posted by frednurk View Post
Done with you, too. If you don't get it, than that's how it goes. I see you are already trolling up the other thread. That's too bad. But it's your forum not mine.
Aww, Alanis left...



And she didn't even sign my arm.
Shock Value is offline  
Old 17th May 2012   #186
Gear addict
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 479

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shock Value View Post
All this time spent arguing about things I can't personally change has only taken away from the time I could have been making music.
Best of luck with your music or comedy or whatever it is you are working on.
frednurk is offline  
Old 17th May 2012   #187
Lives for gear
 
DaveUK's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Location: newcastle upon tyne
Posts: 1,120
My Recordings/Credits

.
DaveUK is offline  
Old 17th May 2012   #188
Gear Guru
 
chrisso's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: Oz
Posts: 20,029

Dude. Thanks for the edit.
If you think it's a poor quality discussion, contribute some quality. I'm up for it.
__________________
Chris Whitten
chrisso is online now  
Old 17th May 2012   #189
Banned
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 557

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisso View Post
Dude. Thanks for the edit.
If you think it's a poor quality discussion, contribute some quality. I'm up for it.
Define "quality". We all know the biz is in trouble, but endless bickering doesn't do you or I (the people who make music) any good.

Option 1: Don't make music anymore.
Option 2: Make the best music you can and hope for the best.

Personally, I'm going for option #2.
Shock Value is offline  
Old 17th May 2012   #190
Gear Guru
 
chrisso's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: Oz
Posts: 20,029

Hoping for the best is naive, unless you continue to press your case and resist pressure to work for zip.
No business plan on the planet states "hoping for the best". The bank manager would fall over laughing.
chrisso is online now  
Old 17th May 2012   #191
Banned
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 557

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisso View Post
Hoping for the best is naive, unless you continue to press your case and resist pressure to work for zip.
No, if you're the best at what you do, they will come to you.
Shock Value is offline  
Old 17th May 2012   #192
Gear Guru
 
John Eppstein's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2009
Location: San Francisco, CA.
Posts: 12,006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shock Value View Post
No, if you're the best at what you do, they will come to you.
Ah, but the question is what will they do when they come?

Will they bring you something in return?

Or will they merely take what you've got and leave you standing in the dust?
__________________
All opinions expressed in my posts are solely my own: I do not represent any other forums (of which I may or may not be a member), groups, or individuals although at times my views may resemble those of other entities.

******************************************
Inside every old man is a young man wondering WTF happened.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Ohlsson
The appropriate role for science is the study of observed phenomena to gain an understanding. It is not dictating what people ought or ought not to be observing.
John Eppstein is offline  
Old 17th May 2012   #193
Gear Guru
 
chrisso's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: Oz
Posts: 20,029

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shock Value View Post
No, if you're the best at what you do, they will come to you.
That's another unfortunate piece of tech propaganda you've swallowed, as this article on music software proves:
The Paradox of Pirate Logic : Music Versus Music Software – Full Post | The Trichordist
chrisso is online now  
Old 17th May 2012   #194
Banned
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 557

Yea right, you're going to tell me that making "the best" music for a particular market is bullshit?

You make your "portfolio" of songs for that market and submit it through professional channels.
Shock Value is offline  
Old 17th May 2012   #195
Gear Guru
 
chrisso's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: Oz
Posts: 20,029

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shock Value View Post
Yea right, you're going to tell me that making "the best" music for a particular market is bullshit?
All I'm saying is it's no guarantee people will buy it, as the case of music software completely bears out.
chrisso is online now  
Old 17th May 2012   #196
Gear Guru
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Location: the big rack
Posts: 11,248

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shock Value View Post
No, if you're the best at what you do, they will come to you.
but they may not come with cash, only consumption... which is very different.
rack gear is offline  
Old 17th May 2012   #197
Gear Guru
 
John Eppstein's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2009
Location: San Francisco, CA.
Posts: 12,006

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisso View Post
All I'm saying is it's no guarantee people will buy it, as the case of music software completely bears out.
It's true. You can make the best music (or software, or automobiles for that matte) but without proper promotion nobody will notice.

Especially now, when so many extraneous things are competing for everyone's attention.

The internet has not increased opportunity, it has done the opposite. When everything has equal exposure nothing has exposure.

Don't drink the Kool-Aide.
John Eppstein is offline  
Old 17th May 2012   #198
Gear Guru
 
chrisso's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: Oz
Posts: 20,029

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Eppstein View Post
It's true. You can make the best music (or software, or automobiles for that matte) but without proper promotion nobody will notice.
It's more the "you can't compete with free" argument.
The top music software is well promoted and well known, that doesn't prove people will buy it when a free version is available.
No one claims music software isn't as good as it was 5 to 10 years ago.
So it's a good product, widely understood and easy to obtain, but many still wont pay for it.
chrisso is online now  
Old 17th May 2012   #199
Lives for gear
 
cuckoo.old's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Location: Hellbourne, OZ
Posts: 1,134

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisso View Post
It's more the "you can't compete with free" argument.
The top music software is well promoted and well known, that doesn't prove people will buy it when a free version is available.
No one claims music software isn't as good as it was 5 to 10 years ago.
So it's a good product, widely understood and easy to obtain, but many still wont pay for it.
I may be wrong here, but IMO it seems that there is an increased awareness among certain groups of people that software needs to be supported and developed. Smaller developers like U-he and Camel Audio appear to be doing ok, and I know many people who were condoning certain activities in the late '90s which they no longer do so (and I count myself among the converted).
Perhaps this is drowned out by the massive uptake (and availability)of creative type software, and mass acceptance/brainwashing certain companies and shills engage in for less legal methods of acquisition, but despite this I believe all is not as bleak as in seems.

Perhaps at the moment for musicians things are dark, but hopefully the awareness some software developers have carved out via top notch products and support, may transfer into other sections of what is essentially now all the digital economy.

Trying to be optimistic anyway.
cuckoo.old is offline  
Old 17th May 2012   #200
Gear Guru
 
chrisso's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: Oz
Posts: 20,029

I hope so.
chrisso is online now  
Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook  Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter  Submit Thread to LinkedIn LinkedIn 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Similar Threads
Thread Thread starter Forum Replies Last Post
Best DAW for MIDI, VSTi's and is 64 bit? (Cubase 6, Logic Pro 9, or Reaper?) MikeSnoody Music Computers 50 15th May 2012 05:55 PM
Taking a single sound and turning it into a virtual instrument Blue42kilo Rap + Hip Hop engineering & production 25 11th May 2012 07:59 PM
Isn't it a shame that plugins will be obsolete? StringBean Music Computers 9 18th January 2012 10:06 PM
My Mixes Suck: Is it me? Is it my speakers? Is it the room? Royalston Studio building / acoustics 22 28th May 2008 08:03 AM
SHAME!! Midi guitars !!SHAME toolskid So much gear, so little time! 3 20th June 2006 10:35 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:34 PM.

Home - Search Forum - Contact Us - Terms Of Use / Privacy Policy - Advertise on Gearslutz - All Advertisers - Top
 
 
Powered by vBulletin®
Gearslutz.com LTD - UK Company Number 7597610.
Registered Office - 35 Ballards Lane, London, N3 1XW.
Hosted by Nimbus Hosting.

By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies.

SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.