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16th May 2012
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Because I'm not bashing or trolling anybody - you are.

People try to make serious answers to your "questions" but by the way you act afterwards you're not interested in answers, you're just trying to bait people.

And I had the thread closed because it was my thread and you ruined it.
I'm done. If you don't get anything I've said than I guess that's how it goes.
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My quote from the article is about people who work on records, as in recording professionals making less money than they used too. Record Sales are DOWN dramatically. When there are less sales, there is less money to pay musicians and less musicians get hired, and of those who do get hired, they get paid less.

It's simple math.

The article goes on to explain how a lot of other creatives are suffering as well, which is all related to the trickle down effect of there being less money generated from the sale of professional creative works.

and yes, the "Internet" is addressed, and it's clear from the article the "internet" is central to the problems it is describing:



I think line is appropriate as well...


One thing we know for sure, is that just because distribution has been democratized, talent certainly has not been.
Done with you, too. If you don't get it, than that's how it goes. I see you are already trolling up the other thread. That's too bad. But it's your forum not mine.
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Are all the Audio forums melting down !!! It's worse than the Euro crisis round here and all over the web what's going on ? Have the trolls won ? Or are there no Pro's left ...
I went looking for alternatives and found destruction everywhere :+(
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Thread ended ...maybe .
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Done with you, too. If you don't get it, than that's how it goes. I see you are already trolling up the other thread. That's too bad. But it's your forum not mine.
Aww, Alanis left...



And she didn't even sign my arm.
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17th May 2012
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All this time spent arguing about things I can't personally change has only taken away from the time I could have been making music.
Best of luck with your music or comedy or whatever it is you are working on.
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Dude. Thanks for the edit.
If you think it's a poor quality discussion, contribute some quality. I'm up for it.
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Dude. Thanks for the edit.
If you think it's a poor quality discussion, contribute some quality. I'm up for it.
Define "quality". We all know the biz is in trouble, but endless bickering doesn't do you or I (the people who make music) any good.

Option 1: Don't make music anymore.
Option 2: Make the best music you can and hope for the best.

Personally, I'm going for option #2.
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Hoping for the best is naive, unless you continue to press your case and resist pressure to work for zip.
No business plan on the planet states "hoping for the best". The bank manager would fall over laughing.
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Hoping for the best is naive, unless you continue to press your case and resist pressure to work for zip.
No, if you're the best at what you do, they will come to you.
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No, if you're the best at what you do, they will come to you.
Ah, but the question is what will they do when they come?

Will they bring you something in return?

Or will they merely take what you've got and leave you standing in the dust?
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Yea right, you're going to tell me that making "the best" music for a particular market is bullshit?

You make your "portfolio" of songs for that market and submit it through professional channels.
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Yea right, you're going to tell me that making "the best" music for a particular market is bullshit?
All I'm saying is it's no guarantee people will buy it, as the case of music software completely bears out.
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No, if you're the best at what you do, they will come to you.
but they may not come with cash, only consumption... which is very different.
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All I'm saying is it's no guarantee people will buy it, as the case of music software completely bears out.
It's true. You can make the best music (or software, or automobiles for that matte) but without proper promotion nobody will notice.

Especially now, when so many extraneous things are competing for everyone's attention.

The internet has not increased opportunity, it has done the opposite. When everything has equal exposure nothing has exposure.

Don't drink the Kool-Aide.
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It's true. You can make the best music (or software, or automobiles for that matte) but without proper promotion nobody will notice.
It's more the "you can't compete with free" argument.
The top music software is well promoted and well known, that doesn't prove people will buy it when a free version is available.
No one claims music software isn't as good as it was 5 to 10 years ago.
So it's a good product, widely understood and easy to obtain, but many still wont pay for it.
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It's more the "you can't compete with free" argument.
The top music software is well promoted and well known, that doesn't prove people will buy it when a free version is available.
No one claims music software isn't as good as it was 5 to 10 years ago.
So it's a good product, widely understood and easy to obtain, but many still wont pay for it.
I may be wrong here, but IMO it seems that there is an increased awareness among certain groups of people that software needs to be supported and developed. Smaller developers like U-he and Camel Audio appear to be doing ok, and I know many people who were condoning certain activities in the late '90s which they no longer do so (and I count myself among the converted).
Perhaps this is drowned out by the massive uptake (and availability)of creative type software, and mass acceptance/brainwashing certain companies and shills engage in for less legal methods of acquisition, but despite this I believe all is not as bleak as in seems.

Perhaps at the moment for musicians things are dark, but hopefully the awareness some software developers have carved out via top notch products and support, may transfer into other sections of what is essentially now all the digital economy.

Trying to be optimistic anyway.
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I hope so.
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