My friend is the greatest musician i have ever met, seen, or played with. He has made a good living for the past 9 years doing nothing but music. If you are good, money will always be there for you. Without good songs you can't rely on money coming from your music. Not everyone is entitled to making enough money to live off of music. If you are talented and can't earn a living its a shame, if you are average and can't make a living there is nothing wrong with that scenario.
As far as the decline of record sales, im my opinion it coincides perfectly with the decline of good songs being written and recorded. After 1999 the number of good songs released declined rapidly. Either labels started signing worse bands or good bands stopped forming and seeking out labels. Good music still sells itself, people will buy what is good, what is just ok they will not buy but will take for free.
Napster didn't ruin Metallica, Metallica stopped writing cool songs. They hadn't produced a good album in 8 years and then they blamed Napster for their decreased income. People didn't stop buying their albums because they pirated them, they stopped buying them because the albums weren't good. This type of thing happened all the time long before the internet.
A good album will still sell, crap won't sell. There was a time when crap would get bought up, and it still happens sometimes - look at John Mayer's last 3 albums.
both will sell less than half what they did a decade ago and that's the point, less than half... good or crap, less than half of what they did a decade ago, let that sink in.
both will sell less than half what they did a decade ago and that's the point, less than half... good or crap, less than half of what they did a decade ago, let that sink in.
So? Half of a lot is still a lot . . . that is the point. Let what sink in? Some statistic i already knew? Those stats Haven't stopped a lot of people i am friends with from flying around the world and buying expensive crap. They are good though, you know? Actually have good songs? Any of this sinking in? Big deal if you sell 3 million instead of 6 million. Selling 100,000 instead of 200,000 hurts, but 200,000 record sales doesn't set you up for life financially anyway. THAT is the point, if you have great material you will come out ok.
So? Half of a lot is still a lot . . . that is the point. Let what sink in? Some statistic i already knew? Those stats Haven't stopped a lot of people i am friends with from flying around the world and buying expensive crap. They are good though, you know? Actually have good songs? Any of this sinking in? Big deal if you sell 3 million instead of 6 million. Selling 100,000 instead of 200,000 hurts, but 200,000 record sales doesn't set you up for life financially anyway. THAT is the point, if you have great material you will come out ok.
Actually, the way the last twenty years or so has gone, the reverse is even more true. Crap music tends to sell more than good music (the definition of both being totally subjective of course).
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So? Half of a lot is still a lot . . . that is the point.
really? You wanna make half in ten years, doing the same work or more?
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Let what sink in? Some statistic i already knew?
so you don't think an industry and everyone in it getting boned for a decade is a problem? really?
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Those stats Haven't stopped a lot of people i am friends with from flying around the world and buying expensive crap. They are good though, you know? Actually have good songs? Any of this sinking in? Big deal if you sell 3 million instead of 6 million. Selling 100,000 instead of 200,000 hurts, but 200,000 record sales doesn't set you up for life financially anyway. THAT is the point, if you have great material you will come out ok.
so the only people with great material and that deserve to be paid are the ones with major label deals?
Yes. The ones that should get paid are the ones that have good product.
The ones that shoot stuff out their arz should not get paid because it sucks.
funny, so know you have the monopoly on taste? and so you'd steal music you don't like, that's even more funny... who steals things they don't like and don't want?
Yes. The ones that should get paid are the ones that have good product.
The ones that shoot stuff out their arz should not get paid because it sucks.
Although I agree with Rack, I'll just add that what you suggest is nothing new.
You buy music you like, you don't buy music you don't like.
That has been the case for many, many years. So why download music you neither like or respect?
I glanced over some of it, but that is beside the point: reading legislation is not for those unversed in law, sorry, unless you have a law degree you cannot interpret what is between the lines...
In other words you didn't bother to read it and just swallowed the lies you were fed.
Thanks a lot.
You do understand that Wikipedia has a vested interest in and is largely funded by the anti-copyright crowd? And that Google, one of the primary players in the anti-copyright movement invests heavily in funding academics who will deliver opinions favoring thjeir position?
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Hey man, I'm with you on this...all I was saying is that they should go after the companies that are making money out of piracy/exploitation (directly and indirectly) rather than some end-users...for their own sake too.
For example, the FBI know well enough to go after drug dealers/creators and attack the end-users by education rather than heavily prosecuting or making examples out of them.
Sorry but this is the paradox of copyright legislation; copying is fundamental to the creative process, Beethoven copied Mozart/Haydn, and certainly didn't compensate them for it... though occasionally had the humility to dedicate a thing or two. I'm sure glad Jeff Buckley was allowed to make use of all those songs without some legislation breathing down his throat. If every time an up and coming artist got up on stage to sing a cover, he was arrested for "piracy", well, bring that to its logical conclusion...
Basically, police it at the point(s) of revenue, and leave the kids alone.
There is money in live music. That's why there are more tours and festivals than ever before. Hundreds of touring A/V companies make money along with the musicians and promoters. Recently, AES called us up and asked why we don't exhibit anymore. The answer: The people who attend AES are mostly people doing recording, and they do not have much money. That's why AES is shrinking too.
Anyone can go on Amazon and buy adequate gear to start recording. With enough work and time some can even produce fun-to-listen-to music. Pros who do studio recordings have to compete with amateurs who often have new and better ideas, just less skill. Some very successful producers work with newbies and get paid to help them realize those ideas, because the newbies have some money.
Getting up on stage is another matter and takes a much higher level of skill. People do pay for it and ticket prices can be pretty high.
The internet commoditizes everything that passes through it. Theft of intellectual property doubles the pain, but infringement occurs on and off the net. Stealing is clearly wrong, yet, we have plenty of situations where the musician can only hope that someone would want to steal his music. This kind of situation leads to poverty.
Meanwhile, some musicians with skill, like the one below, still self-produce and put out something real good. He still has to beg you to pay for it.
Truth is Billy has been out of touch with himself since melloncollie. Theres no vitality to anything he wrote after that. It has all been "I need to write a song now". Paying the bills rock. Whatever. Ill still listen to the early stuff and up till melloncollie and enjoy songwriting at its most glorious expressive, life changing beautiful moments and enjoy it for what it is. I don't pay any attention to what he has to say nowadays.
It's true but if you can get more then 10,000 dollars a show you really shouldn't complain about anything. He should be set by now and any money being made now is just to stack
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