If You Are Anti Piracy and Pro Legislation, Good Groups to Join?

[Dick_Money]

Hey Everyone,

Not wanting to turn this thread into another debate thread. If you are Anti Piracy and Pro Legislation, what are some good organizations, to get behind and support via donations of money and time?

I personally feel the tide is changing on this subject and am very happy about that. Would like to help out, sure there is others that might want to get involved.

Again this is not a debate thread, if you are pro piracy and/or anti legislation, start your own thread to list groups please.

[Dick_Money]

Originally Posted by Murphster

If you are pro SOPA and similar legislation there is one group that you should be joining...

CPUSA.org

Dude you just couldn't resist could you. Attention span issues? People are organizing on both sides of the fence, deal with it.

I can think of a million things to say back, but want to keep this thread civil. So at least I will try to be a grown up and let it slide. Seriously curious to hear about different organizations.

[chrisso]

Originally Posted by Dick_Money

Dude you just couldn't resist could you. Attention span issues? People are organizing on both sides of the fence, deal with it.

Agreed.

On from that.......
It's a good question. I'd like to know myself.
If there isn't a grouping we need to start one. If you search illegal filesharing issues or piracy issues on Google you have to wade through pages of pro-piracy blogging to even get to a factual page.
I was hopeful when this collective came into being:
Featured Artists Coalition

But in this past, rather dramatic week, they've only been twittering about manager awards etc...

[Dick_Money]

Originally Posted by chrisso

Agreed.

On from that.......
It's a good question. I'd like to know myself.
If there isn't a grouping we need to start one. If you search illegal filesharing issues or piracy issues on Google you have to wade through pages of pro-piracy blogging to even get to a factual page.
I was hopeful when this collective came into being:
Featured Artists Coalition

But in this past, rather dramatic week, they've only been twittering about manager awards etc...

Yeah crazy to me, that I haven't heard of one. What I call the "Lars Effect" is now lifting and many people in the biz are starting to see that it is ok to talk about being anti piracy again. Who knows, but I hear a waking giant here in LA and it needs to be organized!!

I'm in USA and besides the normal unions I would have no idea who to contact. The hard thing would to make this a world organization, but is probably needed. Hopefully someone will get this going .

[chrisso]

Yes, I honestly think the 'Lars Effect' is at play.

Quite a few collectives (independent label associations, songwriter associations and of course the majors) dip in and out of the debate. But I wish more everyday working musicians would organise.... and thus be heard.
From the people I talk to privately, 1) they are very busy just trying to pay the bills, 2) they are afraid of turning off fans, 3) they are genuinely confused, because some feel they have benefitted from the free promotion, some have had bad experiences with the majors, and some are naturally attracted to the concepts of free sharing.

So it can be a bit of divided we fall I fear.

[drBill]

There are many aspects of "making music" that are NOT traditional band/fan oriented who feel the need to get on board and support copyright. I am involved in many of them, and would like to know as well. I'm not worried about alienating fans.

[Dick_Money]

Originally Posted by drBill

There are many aspects of "making music" that are NOT traditional band/fan oriented who feel the need to get on board and support copyright. I am involved in many of them, and would like to know as well. I'm not worried about alienating fans.

Hmm good point. I am also an engineer primarily, pays my bills and has for years. Maybe there should be a more engineer "friendly" group, because honestly I find engineers are very unlikely to have anything good to say about piracy. At least from my peers I am around.

The problem is I would feel an engineer group would need the support of the artists? Doubt the normal person cares too much what an engineer has to say?

The "Lars Effect" was one of the worst things to happen to this whole debate. The good thing is I really feel artists are starting to see through this.

Shoot the other day I had to have a very heated debate with one of my oldest friends. He just could not accept that what he was doing (piracy), that I thought it was unethical/and unmoral (in my opinion) and the "easy way" for him. He is still my friend (obviously), but I could no longer turn a blind eye when he discussed some movie he had pirated.

It's time to be open and truthful about how you feel on the subject.

So there really isn't any groups that have taken up this cause? The "cause" needs to be more organized, for the next round!!

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by Dick_Money

Hey Everyone,

Not wanting to turn this thread into another debate thread. If you are Anti Piracy and Pro Legislation, what are some good organizations, to get behind and support via donations of money and time?

I personally feel the tide is changing on this subject and am very happy about that. Would like to help out, sure there is others that might want to get involved.

Again this is not a debate thread, if you are pro piracy and/or anti legislation, start your own thread to list groups please.

Organizations To Watch/Join:
Music Rights Now | Facebook
Copyright Alliance
Home | Creative America

Two LEGAL sites worth checking Daily:
Copyhype
www.musictechpolicy.com

Must Know Info about SOPA & Big Tech Anti-Copyright Strategy:

Googles Piracy Liability...
Google's Piracy Liability - Forbes

This details how the "censorship" card is used every time any anti-piracy legislation is introduced.
Dispatches from the SOPAcolypse | Copyhype

who profits from piracy and how...
Dirty Money. Who Profits from Piracy?

why google opposes any effective rouge site legislation...
http://musictechpolicy.wordpress.com...d-the-numbers/

youtube was built on theft, and google rewarded them for it...
Viacom vs. YouTube/Google: A Piracy Case in Their Own Words - DailyFinance

[Dick_Money]

Originally Posted by rack gear

Organizations To Watch/Join:
Music Rights Now | Facebook
Copyright Alliance
Home | Creative America

Two LEGAL sites worth checking Daily:
Copyhype
www.musictechpolicy.com

Must Know Info about SOPA & Big Tech Anti-Copyright Strategy:

Googles Piracy Liability...
Google's Piracy Liability - Forbes

This details how the "censorship" card is used every time any anti-piracy legislation is introduced.
Dispatches from the SOPAcolypse | Copyhype

who profits from piracy and how...
Dirty Money. Who Profits from Piracy?

why google opposes any effective rouge site legislation...
http://musictechpolicy.wordpress.com...d-the-numbers/

youtube was built on theft, and google rewarded them for it...
Viacom vs. YouTube/Google: A Piracy Case in Their Own Words - DailyFinance

Was just about to copy this in. Thanks so much!!

[initialsBB]

Originally Posted by Dick_Money

So there really isn't any groups that have taken up this cause? The "cause" needs to be more organized, for the next round!!

It needs some kind of catchy hook like the pink ribbon or the 99% or whatever so people can add it to their avatars and sig files across the web and give it some visibility. To the extent that there even is an anti-piracy "movement" I don't think it has found its voice yet.

[Dick_Money]

Originally Posted by initialsBB

It needs some kind of catchy hook like the pink ribbon or the 99% or whatever so people can add it to their avatars and sig files across the web and give it some visibility. To the extent that there even is an anti-piracy "movement" I don't think it has found its voice yet.

Hmm catchy phase and colored ribbon, will get on that.

[chrisso]

Home taping is killing music?

(btw, I put a lot of time into my punk/DIY timeline)

[initialsBB]

how about a ribbon made from 1/4" tape?

[Dick_Money]

Originally Posted by initialsBB

how about a ribbon made from 1/4" tape?

Genius!!

[manysounds]

The next person who tries to tell me, "Any smart musician wants as many people as possible to hear their music" is getting my boot in their face.

/seriously anti-pirate

[Dick_Money]

Originally Posted by manysounds

The next person who tries to tell me, "Any smart musician wants as many people as possible to hear their music" is getting my boot in their face.

/seriously anti-pirate

Hear, hear!!!

[mikeg09]

Originally Posted by rack gear

Organizations To Watch/Join:
Music Rights Now | Facebook
Copyright Alliance
Home | Creative America

Two LEGAL sites worth checking Daily:
Copyhype
www.musictechpolicy.com

Must Know Info about SOPA & Big Tech Anti-Copyright Strategy:

Googles Piracy Liability...
Google's Piracy Liability - Forbes

This details how the "censorship" card is used every time any anti-piracy legislation is introduced.
Dispatches from the SOPAcolypse | Copyhype

who profits from piracy and how...
Dirty Money. Who Profits from Piracy?

why google opposes any effective rouge site legislation...
http://musictechpolicy.wordpress.com...d-the-numbers/

youtube was built on theft, and google rewarded them for it...
Viacom vs. YouTube/Google: A Piracy Case in Their Own Words - DailyFinance

Thanks!

[Murphster]

What? My post was deleted?

If you have a no politics rule that is fair enough, I am guilty as charged and will not do it again.

But, and a big BUT. That thread was a thread asking for the websites of groups to join if you are pro-SOPA legislation. That is the political legislation in favour of Internet censorship.

It was a political thread asking a political question!!!
Anyone who has answered that thread is making a political post and the thread starter was being political.

Whether you like it or not SOPA is a political issue. So you should let your rules slide for that issue, or not allow that issue to be debated at all.

Rackgear has replied with a list of URL's to various organisations which include the Copyright Alliance which to all purposes is a group who engages in lobbying on behalf of the creative industry - they are a political organisation!!!

Now I might have made a lighthearted post directing the OP to the USA Communists website - which if breaking your rules then fair enough.

So then why just my post?

You need to make up your mind whether you are going to allow politics or not - you cannot just give warnings out to some and not others - How is that fair?

[spaceman]

excuse me, but what the hell is a "Lars Effect" ?

[Whitecat]

Some good links here and we'll leave it at that. The Piracy forum was closed for a reason - we can't let it spill over here. Thanks for your understanding.