I guess touring isn't going to save music . . .

[dubmunkey]

i dont think artists are messing it up i think the industry is

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[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by dubmunkey

i dont think artists are messing it up i think the industry is

Which industry are you talking about?

If you're talking about the tech industry I'd definitely agree. They've aggressively destroyed our markets by appropriating our material and using it as a loss leader to sell services and advertising without giving fair compensation to the content owners.

If you're talking about the music industry, no.

[dubmunkey]

i guess im talking about the promoting industry if you can call it such a thing, but then again its not like its suddenly become exploitative in the last decade but combined with the loss of revenue from recorded music its even harder for music to be considered a viable career from an artists pov

im not really trying to critize anything just my own observations

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[memphisindie]

Originally Posted by Frank_Case

Excellent point! You are right in that there once was a time when music provided a lighting rod around which a complete generation would rally and align themselves together for their cause, even if that cause was just to say "we have arrived." None of that exists anymore. My theory is that the internet has depersonalized and isolated us from interacting socially compared to how we socialized in the past. Many of us now choose to text each other rather than experience each other. It's reflected in our music.

Yes, people would rather text or FB each rather than meet.
We don't generate that sense of community because we haven't figured out as a group what the zeitgeist is, what will work to bring people out and together around music.
ALSO fuel prices have removed disposable income for everyone that just lost their house in America AND Energy costs for Natural gas and electricity also increased 400% while wages stayed flat in America WHILE the Chinese destroyed jobs in manufacturing and retail.
TODAY the FED allowed Chinese banks to literally BUY American national banks.
The country called the USA is over. Freedom is dead. We are now Chinese slaves.
Japan will be 100% DEAD by 2015 due to radiation, suicide rate is off the charts there now and I haven't heard from my cousin since the meltdowns.
If it were only OUR biz, I'd know what to do, what revolution to start, what perception to generate, but, it's a LOT of businesses and that is a bigger revolution to start and a much more powerful perception to generate. That's going to take time.

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by dubmunkey

i dont think artists are messing it up i think the industry is

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How? and who specifically is "the industry?"

[memphisindie]

Originally Posted by Mike Caffrey

Great. No one stands to benefit more than me if I'm wrong.

I guarantee you that there are more people stealing music this year than last year. There is still more growth in piracy that we've stopped.

If I list 7 corporations funding bands, are we tied?

That list is way too short to count for anything.

While I agree that Spotify has the same net effect as piracy, I bet it's done more to reduce filesharing than anything else. Maybe Pandora too.

It's more convenient to use those services than it is to spending time searching for music to steal.

Piracy may have lots of initiatives, but it has not been reduced at all, much less in a way that's significant.

Sony is laying off 10,000 people. Who knew there were that many people still working there???

Sony has big problems right now.
They're going to have to move all their Japanese operations soon. We should absorb them in America.

All that "theft" ends in July.

I just got hitched to a band called Pillow Theory today via a friend making a comment on their post. When my friends make a positive comment I can usually trust it, most of them are music producers and engineers. I was very happy to notice that band.
Even though it was on FB it was more like word of mouth.

[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by Mike Caffrey

While I agree that Spotify has the same net effect as piracy, I bet it's done more to reduce filesharing than anything else. Maybe Pandora too.

It's more convenient to use those services than it is to spending time searching for music to steal.

Yeah, right. That's like committing seppuku to prevent yourself from dying of cancer.

[Gary Ladd]

Originally Posted by dubmunkey

i guess im talking about the promoting industry if you can call it such a thing

You mean record label promotion departments, artist management/promoters, and concert promoters?

Oh yeah, they're still around (demanding their pound of flesh), and it used to be if you were a mid-tier act you might make enough to eek out a middle class lifestyle (with publishing, royalties and a bit of coin from performing and merchandise sales).

Yeah, uh huh, not so much anymore...

And I thought it was tough making ends meet in 1993!

[Beat Poet]

Originally Posted by rack gear

and nothing helps word of mouth more than a lot of marketing and promotion money... otherwise social media would actually be working...

It only takes one person to see or hear about a band though for them to go and tell their mates or get them along to a gig.

[ray_subsonic]

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

Which industry are you talking about?

If you're talking about the tech industry I'd definitely agree. They've aggressively destroyed our markets by appropriating our material and using it as a loss leader to sell services and advertising without giving fair compensation to the content owners.

If you're talking about the music industry, no.

Sums it up pretty well actually.

[dubmunkey]

Originally Posted by rack gear

How? and who specifically is "the industry?"

see my previous post.

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[ray_subsonic]

Originally Posted by memphisindie

While wages stayed flat in America WHILE the Chinese destroyed jobs in manufacturing and retail.

Memphis, agreed on almost all points. But I think a great number of Fortune 500 Companies (With a LOT of help from Private Equity firms) helped this along with the "New" business paradigm.

Large numbers of these companies are all domiciled in Delaware, or Offshore. They enjoy Tax breaks and exclusion from Litigation. The only remnants of the old companies are the Management Teams. Kind of like the Rats on The Titanic ..

Most of the plants and assets were sold during the boom of the last decade. Jobs were slashed. Most manufacturing and services have been outsourced to China and other various 3rd world economies. I don't want to go off topic though, so I'll stop there ..

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by dubmunkey

see my previous post.

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sorry, I'm not getting what part of what post you are referring to...

[nms]

Sounds like she just needs to become Skrillex.

If everyone became Skrillex = music industry saved

As for the US economy.. everyone just needs to become skrillex.

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by nms

Sounds like she just needs to become Skrillex.

If everyone became Skrillex = music industry saved

As for the US economy.. everyone just needs to become skrillex.

agreed. I am now skrillex!

[Eat]

touring can't save you, he's been dead for over 58 years

[ray_subsonic]

Originally Posted by Eat

touring can't save you, he's been dead for over 58 years

No. I guess not. Bit of an Enigma that Turing.

[ray_subsonic]

Originally Posted by rack gear

agreed. I am now skrillex!

Am I now Skrillex too. And so is my wife .. Oh wait .. I don't have a wife ..

[nms]

Originally Posted by ray_subsonic

Oh wait .. I don't have a wife ..

You're good, neither does Skrillex.

[ray_subsonic]

Originally Posted by nms

Sounds like she just needs to become Skrillex.

If everyone became Skrillex = music industry saved

As for the US economy.. everyone just needs to become skrillex.

Think I need to make this my Signature .. It's the solution to many problems in the world right now.

And if we just became Deadmau5, that would probably solve Global Warming too.

[John Eppstein]

What does any of this nonsense have to do with anything?

Seriously?

[nms]

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

What does any of this nonsense have to do with anything?

Indeed. It's the age old question.

How can any of us know? How long is a piece of string? What am I talking about?


and while we're at it, did anyone ever find out who let the dogs out or if they were returned without incident?

[ray_subsonic]

Originally Posted by nms

Did anyone ever find out who let the dogs out or if they were returned without incident?

I believe his name was Walter, and he should be spoken to. Sternly.

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

What does any of this nonsense have to do with anything?

Seriously?

A few current "Pop Culture" references. Light-hearted levity for when it all gets a bit turgid. "Boys Own" humour.

All Fine here Mr Biggles ..

Carry on Chaps.

[rack gear]

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

What does any of this nonsense have to do with anything?

Seriously?

it illustrates the absurdity of the argument.

[Mike Caffrey]

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

Yeah, right. That's like committing seppuku to prevent yourself from dying of cancer.

I agree with you on this point.

[Mike Caffrey]

Cross posted from the Corrigan thread:

http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-i...ontman-120514/

[sound_music]

Originally Posted by Mike Caffrey

Cross posted from the Corrigan thread:

http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-i...ontman-120514/

i think it was inevitable that some "name brand" band (or semi-name brand band IMO, like CC), would jump into bed with the torrent sites as a not-so-clever promo gimmick. i'm actually surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

i'm curious as to the quality of this promo "package" they're releasing with artwork and credits etc... that part i like. did i read correctly that this is a covers album?

anyway, apparently you need to download bittorrent to get it, which i don't have. (or want... would BT even work on mac? excuse my ignorance, outside of itunes or amazon i'm not much of a downloader...as you may have guessed, lol)

what's a good "mac friendly" program to use to go get this? i'm curious. (and it was their choice to give it away... fvckin' A i'll download it!)

[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by Mike Caffrey

Cross posted from the Corrigan thread:

http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-i...ontman-120514/

And my rebuttal, from the Corrigan thread:Billy Corgan - No Money In Music Now

[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by sound_music

anyway, apparently you need to download bittorrent to get it, which i don't have. (or want... would BT even work on mac? excuse my ignorance, outside of itunes or amazon i'm not much of a downloader...as you may have guessed, lol)

what's a good "mac friendly" program to use to go get this? i'm curious. (and it was their choice to give it away... fvckin' A i'll download it!)

Bittorrent is simply a transmission protocol and works on all computers. the program "uTorrent" is one of the major clients and is available on both Mac and Windows. So just Google "utorrent" and follow the link.

Incidentally, the bittorrent protocol has various uses besides <redacted> - a lot of open source software developers use it to transfer source code updates and some online gaming companies use it to distribute updates and patches. And I've also heard it's used in distribution of Facebook apps.

[sound_music]

so i asked my friend's kid about it last night, (a great kid who i've long suspected leads a double life as a dirty pirate!), and he gave me a 15 minute discourse on the various torrent clients and transmission protocols. holy shit there's alot out there, and some of them are very advanced.

after he went on to compare the various features of his favorite ones etc he picked an "easy, user friendly one" for an old, torrent challenged guy like me called "vuze". we downloaded and installed it together, and then things got interesting... scary interesting from my point of view!

i was amazed at how powerful these torrent clients are... they don't just download the files anymore, there's an integrated search engine, HD player, content subscription service, remote control options, drag and drop functionality from the interface... all at zero cost, with zero accountability for what you do with it... (besides your own conscience)

for the first time i truly understand how fvcked we really are...