The Pirate Brand is DEAD!

[author]

R.I.P.

We'll never again think of Johnny Depp when we hear about pirates. We'll think of greedy Swedish thieves screwing their fanboys.

The brand is dead, the magic has gone.

Not-so-hot-looking college kids will have to find new personas.

[rectifier]

Get a grip.

[soulsenseii]

Or take your pills. It's obvious that you are needing them.

[author]

"Mommy, I don't want to play pirate anymore -- I want to play cowboy!"

(Thousands of little boys right now... )

[soulsenseii]

It's because of people like you that there is no evolution. You're just an old fart with OBVIOUS head problems who simply can't accept we are in 2009, as oposed to 1970 where you stopped.

I'm not worried at all. Believe me, the end of TPB isn't going to affect pirates a bit. Hopefully it will show the world that there are other solutions that are possible, and we all can evolve on this subject.

No go take your pills and look at a calendar, ok?

[ThomasWho]

The news here in Norway reported the domain-name is sold for about 10 million dollars...

I wonder who gets all that money?

[mobius.media]

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

Believe me, the end of TPB isn't going to affect pirates a bit.

Are you kidding me? The pirate creed just lost massive credibility.

These battles are fought and won in public perception. When the best known pirates sell out their "anti corporate greed" ideals to become corporate flunkies themselves, perception changes.

[soulsenseii]

But the people who pirate music will find another way to do it.

[mobius.media]

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

But the people who pirate music will find another way to do it.

Yes, but it will be a shrinking population as more sites go down.

Torrent sites are under siege left, right, and center. Yet no decent new protocol has emerged. There has actually been no meaningful progress in p2p technology since 2003 when torrents started. Freenet's probably the best that's come up, but it's abysmal and always will be for reasons that can't be changed.

You must have a lot of faith.

[author]

Originally Posted by mobius.media

These battles are fought and won in public perception.

And the pirates sooo lose them all.

Now, get ready for Cowboys of the Caribbean! :)

[soulsenseii]

Originally Posted by mobius.media

Yes, but it will be a shrinking population as more sites go down.

Torrent sites are under siege left, right, and center. Yet no decent new protocol has emerged. There has actually been no meaningful progress in p2p technology since 2003 when torrents started. Freenet's probably the best that's come up, but it's abysmal and always will be for reasons that can't be changed.

You must have a lot of faith.

Yes, I do have a lot of faith. The pirates are the "consumers". The costumers. The people that will listen to whatever music artists put out there.

The P2P crowd is NOT shrinking. Each day there are more people downloading from torrents. Hell, i've been asked to install Vuze by several people (I didn't, by the way), because even the most computer illiterate person knows that there is music at the reach of a click on their computers. And why? They saw a site called Pirate Bay on the news...

It's something that we all have to realise: the habits have changed, and ALL the trials and all the convictions in the world won't change the way people want to have access to culture. I'll say it once more: it's the industry that has to find a way to get revenue from this form of distribution. All they need is a system to track downloads (not that hard), and some entity to analise and distribute revenues among the artists.

And even if all the file sharing fails, there are still millions of mp3 players, external hard drives and flash disks to distribute content. And, in this way, there is no control AT ALL.

[author]

Now, the fanboys admit that all is lost:
Pirate Bay Heads to Davy Jones’ Locker | Threat Level | Wired.com

[duvalle]

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

The P2P crowd is NOT shrinking. Each day there are more people downloading from torrents.

you are right - i just found this link at wired.com:
Torrent Sites

just click and see how much of an effect the end of TPB will have ...
imho 0% -

[soulsenseii]

Originally Posted by duvalle

you are right - i just found this link at wired.com:
Torrent Sites

just click and see how much of an effect the end of TPB will have ...
imho 0% -

So WHY? WHY is the industry spending millions sueing people when they could have those legal recources investigating a way to MAKE MONEY and PAY ARTISTS? That's something I don't understand! And musiciand BACK UP the industry's and RIAA position! And, on top of that, COMPLAIN ABOUT NOT GETTING PAID!

Meanwhile, the newer generations download everything off the internet, not even knowing there is a war going on...

[rhizomeman]

File sharing is not going anywhere. There are 100s if not 1000s of other file sharing sites and more keep coming.

You guys are delusional if you think a single lawsuit is going frighten people away from sharing music.

If you want to continue arguing the world is flat be my guest...

[mobius.media]

A million times over - piracy will not end - but yes I fully believe TPB is the peak.

Legal options keep increasing.

Illegal options are stable or imo on the decline.

[mobius.media]

Originally Posted by duvalle

you are right - i just found this link at wired.com:
Torrent Sites

just click and see how much of an effect the end of TPB will have ...
imho 0% -

There are only a handful of popular torrent sites. TPB was by far the biggest. The arguably second two are in litigation right now (mininova - ruling in two weeks -and isohunt), which leaves basically btjunkie and a few privates like demonoid.

Even the adamantly pro-p2p sites agree: torrenting has reached or passed its zenith. As more sites are shut down and site owners jailed or fined, there will be fewer individuals willing to risk opening new ones.

If pirates will want to keep pirating en masse in the years to come, they will have to devise a new and better protocol - something they have thus far been unable to do.

In the mean time the legal streaming/buying/subscription options will keep growing.

[author]

Originally Posted by mobius.media

A million times over - piracy will not end - but yes I fully believe TPB is the peak.

You're right, there'll always be pirates, pedophiles and terrorists on the web. But they get weaker every day.
CyberCrime is taken very serious now, and the piracy CULTURE is over! The pirates lost the battle, their brand is dead.

History is being written right now. Very soon we'll see lots of exiting new ways of dealing with IP.

Some will work, some won't.

But musicians will make music instead of t-shirts in the future, and there'll be lots of legitimate culture for us all. Everybody wins -- except the pirates!

Wow!

[mobius.media]

Originally Posted by author

CyberCrime is taken very serious now, and the piracy CULTURE is over. They lost the battle, their brand is dead.

I think you tend to be a bit overdramatic with this stuff, but I would agree this sale is kind of like pirate culture's 'jump the shark' moment.

It's passed over into the absurd at this point. I don't see how the brand or message (if there ever was one) can recover. Credibility is shot.

[equallyscrewed]

Originally Posted by mobius.media

I think you tend to be a bit overdramatic,

Thank you! Someone had to say it.

[HobbyCore]

Originally Posted by mobius.media

I think you tend to be a bit overdramatic with this stuff, but I would agree this sale is kind of like pirate culture's 'jump the shark' moment.

It's passed over into the absurd at this point. I don't see how the brand or message (if there ever was one) can recover. Credibility is shot.

What you don't seem to realize is that there are more pirates who don't use pirate bay, than those who do.

Also consider the fact that the "bad guys" just made around ~7million off the sale of an illegit website... you think that is going to discourage people!?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahah *ahem* hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah

hahaha

*snort*

[mobius.media]

Originally Posted by HobbyCore

What you don't seem to realize is that there are more pirates who don't use pirate bay, than those who do.

Also consider the fact that the "bad guys" just made around ~7million off the sale of an illegit website... you think that is going to discourage people!?

*snort*

It definitely removes any question about their base agenda and philosophy. They have forfeited their 'moral superiority' over established corporations and IP holders by joining their ranks. They can no longer claim they, unlike artists, are above money or that it's not about money.

The PR battle is over in that respect.

And again, there just aren't that many significantly sized torrent sites out there. Even sites like p2pnet will tell you torrents are past prime.

[author]

Originally Posted by mobius.media

I think you tend to be a bit overdramatic with this stuff, but I would agree this sale is kind of like pirate culture's 'jump the shark' moment.

What can I say, drama is my biz... :)

[author]

Originally Posted by HobbyCore

Also consider the fact that the "bad guys" just made around ~7million off the sale of an illegit website... you think that is going to discourage people!?

Let's see what's left of that money when the industry is done with them. The Swedish trial was just the first out of several.

And jail sentences definitely 'discourage' people.

[HobbyCore]

Originally Posted by mobius.media

It definitely removes any question about their base agenda and philosophy. They have forfeited their 'moral superiority' over established corporations and IP holders by joining their ranks. They can no longer claim they, unlike artists, are above money or that it's not about money.

The PR battle is over in that respect.

And again, there just aren't that many significantly sized torrent sites out there. Even sites like p2pnet will tell you torrents are past prime.

Heh. No significantly sized trackers besides TPB?

I don't even know why I bother here.

[mobius.media]

Originally Posted by HobbyCore

Heh. No significantly sized trackers besides TPB?

I don't even know why I bother here.

Did you read? I said not many. Yes, I'd estimate at least 70% of mainstream pirating is handled by 5-10 tracker indexes. Is that a lot to you?

[author]

While the Pirate Brand now is a joke for Generation X and Y, it may become the next VERY hot thingy for Baby Boomers!

Seniors will soon be able to enjoy all the naughty Pirate fun in a safe and pleasant way -- and maybe even make a buck or two!

Listen to Pirate Captain Pandeya:

Pandeya believes he’ll be able to stay the mutiny once the community — which he describes as the “key asset” in the announced purchase — fully understands what the new Pirate Bay will be offering.

That would be money, for starters. The revamped Bay will be the first BitTorrent site to pay members cold hard cash for seeding the paid content they download — a sweetener that Pandeya said will give the site an edge even over established pay-content outlets.

No more bad-boy-behaviour, of course:

The free video games, pre-release Hollywood blockbusters and gigabyte-length discographies that currently dominate the site’s [Pirate Bay's] most-popular list will be gone, replaced by whatever content the movie, music and software industries deign to sell — yes, sell — on the site they’ve been battling for years.

Pirate Bay 2.0: Pay Pirates to Become Consumers | Threat Level | Wired.com