The Pirate FAQ

[soulsenseii]

I see the problem here. You all live in the past. Good luck with that.

[Volodia]

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

One thing I know, if you are the Chris Whitten i think you are, I'm sorry, you failed the test drive on several ocasions. Sorry I didn't gave you a couple of bucks...

That is flat out rude and shouldn't happen in a discussion .

[soulsenseii]

So ban me for having an opinion.

[Volodia]

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

So ban me for having an opinion.

It's not just an opinion . you lack some netiquette .

In fact you're a troll who became a member to only post on piracy related threads .

What you say about indie labels existed way before internet . In fact indie labels have a hardest time than ever . when they could survive and employ people with 10k album sales is just impossible with 2k that's left after the illegal downloading . Internet didn't create the indie label scene .

In fact at all times emerging groups have tried and worked hard to make themselves known . It didn't start when you discovered it .

from wiki :a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response .

[soulsenseii]

I know what a troll is, thank you. And i'm not one. I'm a lurker who happens to pass by a thread talking about a subject that IMHO is treated like it was the end of the industry, when, in reality is an opportunity do reinvent itself.

Look at Radiohead or Nine Inch Nails, they have opened a new path, they took control of theyr artistic path.

Music and movies will be a comodity in the future, just like running water or electricity. Bands will make most of theyr money playing live. It's just a matter of time. And you will all have to accept it.

I have always supported the idea of a unique tax combined with your internet bill, where you could download all you want and the revenues from that tax would be distributed amond the artists that were downloaded. We just need a method to know who downloaded what. And records will always be around, because there are people like myself who want a physical copy of the record.

It's a shame that you all talk about how you are being robbed and don't even try to find a way for it all to work for everybody.

[Volodia]

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

I know what a troll is, thank you. And i'm not one. I'm a lurker who happens to pass by a thread talking about a subject that IMHO is treated like it was the end of the industry, when, in reality is an opportunity do reinvent itself.

Look at Radiohead or Nine Inch Nails, they have opened a new path, they took control of theyr artistic path.

Music and movies will be a comodity in the future, just like running water or electricity. Bands will make most of theyr money playing live. It's just a matter of time. And you will all have to accept it.

I have always supported the idea of a unique tax combined with your internet bill, where you could download all you want and the revenues from that tax would be distributed amond the artists that were downloaded. We just need a method to know who downloaded what. And records will always be around, because there are people like myself who want a physical copy of the record.

It's a shame that you all talk about how you are being robbed and don't even try to find a way for it all to work for everybody.

Radiohead and NIN were had already a huge fan base created ...by the record company investment , they cannot be taken as examples ( it didn't work that well for Radiohead) .

I wouldn't be against piracy if there were still sales going on but the numbers show that it's TOTALLY replacing sales (divided by 3 in 6 years , by 2 in the last 2 years ) . If it goes on like that there will be no revenue left . Digital revenue from sales and subscriptions is already going down (and it's not a lot) .

Running water and electricity are far from being free . In fact companies who operate that are some of the biggest companies .

The blanket fee has been discussed a lot,do a search .

[soulsenseii]

Originally Posted by Volodia

Running water and electricity are far from being free . In fact companies who operate that are some of the biggest companies .

The blanket fee has been discussed a lot,do a search .

Shure, water, gas and electricity are not free, but I don't remember paying each time i turn on the lights or take a shower.

I'm not an native english speaker, i did not know that you called "blanket fee" to what i have mentioned. Sorry. I have discussed that issue a lot with my teachers and, surprisingly, a lot of them agree with me. And I remember having read somethin about 3 or 4 years ago about that, that said that if it was implemented, the losses in music industry would stop. Remember that the consumer wants what's cheapest and simple. If they want more than that, they will search for it.

[Volodia]

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

Shure, water, gas and electricity are not free, but I don't remember paying each time i turn on the lights or take a shower.

I'm not an native english speaker, i did not know that you called "blanket fee" to what i have mentioned. Sorry. I have discussed that issue a lot with my teachers and, surprisingly, a lot of them agree with me. And I remember having read somethin about 3 or 4 years ago about that, that said that if it was implemented, the losses in music industry would stop. Remember that the consumer wants what's cheapest and simple. If they want more than that, they will search for it.

You don't pay each time you use it but there are bills every month according to your use .

The blanket fee is very hard to put in place because :

-there's no going back . better do it right .

-it's in opposition to international treaties on copyright . those would have to be revised first and it should be done in ALL countries at the same time .

-It's all theorical , and a lot of people would not be willing to pay ; in fact the vast majority, cause the people who buy music (through all times) have been in the minority (around 30%) .

[soulsenseii]

I really believe that a solution will be found. Not only because musicians are losing money, but also because laws are being broken, and no one is doing anything significative about it.

I'll look into that blanket fee threads. Thanks for the tip.

[Croaker]

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

You're assuming a lot of things that aren't true about me,

not really, look back at my post and you see I said I dont know what you do personally. You may be a great guy/gal and hard working person, honest as can be for all I know. my comments are aimed at piracy and arguments for it general. Nothing personal, like your comments towards chris whitten.

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

And I have thousands of records, lots of merchandise and I go to A LOT of live concerts, travelling thousands of miles to see a band (or a DJ, but that's another story), so I think i've done my share supporting the artists I really like. And now you're all telling me that I cannot have access to music because you need more money?
I usually listen to music on the road - yes, I have a mp3 player, and usually it's full of mp3 that I download from the net (easier than ripping vinyl and converting, right?), and there are some albums that I don't own, some that I do, and a ton of DJ sets, that wonderful gray area of music downloads. What I don't like, I delete (just like the test drive, if I don't like the car, I simply won't buy it).

good for you, you support the artists you like. Nobody is saying you cant have access to music. I preview music too in many ways, I just choose not to illegally download it.

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

There are A LOT more choices to make when buying music, and I need to eat and pay the rent too, so I can't buy then all. Does that forbid me to listen to music, to choose what I like and to choose what I want to buy? What you all want is denying my freedom to get to know your work, or anyone's just because you don't get a couple of dollars from me. That you will, if you make music that I like.,

I agree, you cant buy them all just like most people cant buy every little thing they want. Neither can I. Musicians getting paid for their music doesn't forbid me to choose what I want. I just make choices on what I can afford. it all comes down to priorities.
I test drive too, I just choose to do it legally, (free previews, pandora radio, regular radio, myspace etc) then I buy what I want. If I cant afford it I cant afford it...pretty simple. If I think its too expensive I don't buy it and that leaves the ball in the court of the person/company selling it.
Again if most people were doing what you say you are doing it probably wouldn't be as much of an issue.

As far as denying your freedom goes..since when is having somebodies music an inalienable right? People using this argument are confusing their ability or willingness to pay for something with their freedom to have it.

They do however, have the freedom to pick up an instrument and make their own music, and they even have the right to give it away.

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

I know a lot of musicians too, and I don't see them begging in the streets. What I see is the number of live gigs rising, as oposed to musicians sitting at home living off royalties. That's called work. Shure, they don't live like kings, but neither do I, and I work at least 10 hours every day. And I DJ on weekends.

now you are the one assuming alot of things....you work hard 10 hours a day while lazy musicians sit home and collect all the money?
What about people that cant tour, songwriters, support people not involved live gigs, engineers etc? How do you know they don't work hard too. Nobody said that "living like a king" was their right.
I can use your line of thinking and say that people are denying musicians the freedom to live like a king because they want music for free. Sounds absurd, right?

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

And yes, the quality of music is rising, because now the people can choose what they really want to listen to, they can show it to friends with a simple click of a mouse, and don't have to take the sh*t majors try to sell you. Just like I did, and you probably did too, with mixtapes back in the days when mp3 didn't exist.

really? I don't see how the quality of music rises because people can choose what they want to listen too. Sure there is more music available but I personally dont see most of it being quality. I think there will be less quality music because their will be less really creative people willing to take a risk making music for a living.

Originally Posted by soulsenseii

Times are changing, catch the train and make the best of it instead of whining on the internet on how much money you aren't making.

Now you know nothing about me. I have put a lot of time, effort and hard earned money into my knowledge of music and recording. I just spent over a year and a half helping a local band record a project they have dreamed of doing for awhile and chances are I wont see a dime from it. Im not whining about it, its just what I choose to do to help support somebody I know who makes music I like. For me its a passion and I don't do it for a living but I fully respect artists and support all the people in the industry who struggle to make a living creating or helping to create music.

Times aren't changing, people are changing the times by deciding to do whats best for them, regardless of the law and how it effects others...............
Hmmmm...come to think if it times haven't changed that much at all.