Anti Pirate Law is a Success!

[gainreduction]

And the total internet traffic in Sweden went down about 30%.

It won´t be long until they figure out how to be anonymus while file-sharing though. Then it starts all over again.

The funny thing is now that "The Pirate Bay" (on trial recently for providing files for download, also one of the biggest operators and preachers for free downloads of copyright protected material) released an audiobook available on Pirate bay - they charge money for it !

[monomer]

Originally Posted by gainreduction

And the total internet traffic in Sweden went down about 30%.

It won´t be long until they figure out how to be anonymus while file-sharing though. Then it starts all over again.

That would make up the other 70% or so of the generated traffic...

[Revmen]

Yeah right! You should not believe everything you read.

[matt thomas]

Originally Posted by author

Swedish music sale increased by 20 % since the new Swedish Anti Pirate law from April 1.

Movie sales increased by 30 %.

This may be the beginning of a new era!

(Sorry, I don't have any English links.)

in the last two weeks? do you think it would really make a difference that quickly?

narco

[Revmen]

Originally Posted by gainreduction

The funny thing is now that "The Pirate Bay" (on trial recently for providing files for download, also one of the biggest operators and preachers for free downloads of copyright protected material) released an audiobook available on Pirate bay - they charge money for it !

You're wrong if you are referring to the book Piraterna. It's the publisher who is charging money for it. And they are using the pirate bay logo without permission on the book cover.

[clorax hurd]

i think that people will find another way how to share anonymously very soon and music sales will be the same again soon. the only effect that will remain is that thanks to this law, it will be easy for some companies and some people to find out anyone's name / address = loss of another piece of privacy.

[author]

Originally Posted by gainreduction

And the total internet traffic in Sweden went down about 30%.

It won´t be long until they figure out how to be anonymus while file-sharing though. Then it starts all over again.

Yes, but not at the same level. Ordinary people don't want to commit crimes, and It's obvious for everybody now that pirates are nothing but common thieves.

Originally Posted by gainreduction

The funny thing is now that "The Pirate Bay" (on trial recently for providing files for download, also one of the biggest operators and preachers for free downloads of copyright protected material) released an audiobook available on Pirate bay - they charge money for it !

And that's not the only thing they try to make money off... These guys are just so incredibly lame.

[author]

Originally Posted by narco

in the last two weeks? do you think it would really make a difference that quickly?

Why not? People are scared.

And that's just great!

[Revmen]

Originally Posted by author

Why not? People are scared.

And that's just great!

They have to say that Ipred is a success even when it is a huge failiure. In the long run they will lose when they treat their customers like criminals. Encrypted data, VPNs and boycotts are the results of Ipred, not increased sales.

[author]

Originally Posted by Revmen

They have to say that Ipred is a success even when it is a huge failiure.

Ah, we have shares in Piratebay, eh? tutt

Get rid of them, the pirate ship is sinking.

[Revmen]

Originally Posted by author

Ah, we have shares in Piratebay, eh? tutt

Get rid of them, the pirate ship is sinking.

Haha, you are so naive. I don't argue with people wearing tin foil hats in real life but on the internet it's easy to get caught up in meaningless discussions. Good luck to you and your crusade.

[warhead]

These days a pirate thread can mean literal sea faring pirates....

War

[slaves666]

Originally Posted by author

Swedish music sale increased by 20 % since the new Swedish Anti Pirate law from April 1.

Movie sales increased by 30 %.

This may be the beginning of a new era!

(Sorry, I don't have any English links.)

Great news, lets see what happens in France when the law gets tabled again......I wish this would happen in Canada and The US.

[Saudade]

Originally Posted by Revmen

You're wrong if you are referring to the book Piraterna. It's the publisher who is charging money for it. And they are using the pirate bay logo without permission on the book cover.

LOL now that should let them know how it feels to be at the receiving end of the stick for once

[author]

Originally Posted by Saudade

LOL now that should let them know how it feels to be at the receiving end of the stick for once

Yeah, I can't WAIT for them to sue!

[author]

Originally Posted by slaves666

Great news [...] I wish this would happen in Canada and The US.

It will!

[Skywalker]

Originally Posted by author

Yes, but not at the same level. Ordinary people don't want to commit crimes, and It's obvious for everybody now that pirates are nothing but common thieves.


And that's not the only thing they try to make money off... These guys are just so incredibly lame.

Sorry but I disagree with you, a thief is someone that takes something from someone/something, leaving that person/entity without whatever was stolen.

When something is downloaded nothing is physically taken from anyone and although a % of people would of bought the original music most probably would not of done so.

In this day and age with so many people producing music and so much competition... it´s actually good that people download and share music as it is a form of publicity for the artist.

Times are changing, thats a fact and in order to prevent so called piracy they will strip us of the little privacy we have.

Shouldn´t people be making music because they love it and it inspires them? Whats the fun of making good music and not sharing it?

Calling people pirates because they downloaded a song to enjoy and persecuting them sounds pretty harsh to me and seems to go against the flow of music itself.

And no I personally don´t download music. Just the songs that Artists put up for that specific purpose.

[redrue]

Originally Posted by author

Swedish music sale increased by 20 % since the new Swedish Anti Pirate law from April 1.

Care to elaborate on what the Law is, its mechanism etc?

[narcoman]

Originally Posted by Skywalker

Sorry but I disagree with you, a thief is someone that takes something from someone/something, leaving that person/entity without whatever was stolen.

When something is downloaded nothing is physically taken from anyone and although a % of people would of bought the original music most probably would not of done so.

In this day and age with so many people producing music and so much competition... it´s actually good that people download and share music as it is a form of publicity for the artist.

Times are changing, thats a fact and in order to prevent so called piracy they will strip us of the little privacy we have.

Shouldn´t people be making music because they love it and it inspires them? Whats the fun of making good music and not sharing it?

Calling people pirates because they downloaded a song to enjoy and persecuting them sounds pretty harsh to me and seems to go against the flow of music itself.

And no I personally don´t download music. Just the songs that Artists put up for that specific purpose.

indeed - it's a lot more like someone having sex with your wife behind your back.....

[indie]

um, ok, so if it's not "stealing", don't you think it's morally wrong to not pay for the use of intellectual property? are copyrights are invalid?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by narcoman

indeed - it's a lot more like someone having sex with your wife behind your back.....

+thumbsup Yes, wonderful analogy.

[Dean Roddey]

As always, you don't have to look far to see why we have such a problem. Just look at some of the opinions addressed here. I got shat all over in a thread in the moan section by someone who claimed to be big into the business who had the same attitude, that downloading is good for the industry.

As to the inevitable "treating your customers like theives" argument above, that's so utterly illogical in the context of this thread that I can't even comprehend it. No one is being treated like anything. Only someone who wants to keep getting stuff for free would make that kind of argument in response to something like this, which is no more than actually enforcing copyright. If that is treating your customers like theives, then every company that actually wants to get paid for what they create is treating its customers like theives.

And the other inevitable argument that being able to download is good for the business, that's also just not valid. You can hear previews of pretty much whatever you want if you want to hear it before you buy. There are various places where you can stream the whole song or samples of the songs before you buy. And of course the really popular stuff that is probably the most downloaded is going to be something that almost everyone who downloads it is already going to know because they are going there specifically to steal it.

[Volodia]

Originally Posted by Skywalker

Sorry but I disagree with you, a thief is someone that takes something from someone/something, leaving that person/entity without whatever was stolen.

When something is downloaded nothing is physically taken from anyone and although a % of people would of bought the original music most probably would not of done so.

This argument is getting old . So you can't steal a melody ? An invention ? what are patents for then . It's called intellectual rights and they have to be respected .

Music doesn't fall from the sky , it's made by people who spend time and money doing it , hire other people,studios etc , there's no reason for it to be free .

Do you know anyone who wants to work for free?

[timtoonz]

Originally Posted by Skywalker

Sorry but I disagree with you, a thief is someone that takes something from someone/something, leaving that person/entity without whatever was stolen.

Wrong. A thief is someone who takes something with a price tag on it and tries to get away without paying for it.

If you can ask yourself "Would the owner have given this to me for free if I had asked?" and the answer is "No", but you took it anyway, then you are a thief.
tutt

[Skywalker]

Originally Posted by narcoman

indeed - it's a lot more like someone having sex with your wife behind your back.....

Very, very well said!

They should make anti wife stealing piracy laws while they are at it!

Now I knew I would get some people upset by my post and didn´t mean for that but I think all this anti piracy stuff is a bit too much.

It´s one thing if u have people making thousands of copies to re-sell at a lower price (that is what I see as piracy) and it´s another for a person to download a few songs to listen to and enjoy.

[Eric Greedy]

Originally Posted by Skywalker

Sorry but I disagree with you, a thief is someone that takes something from someone/something, leaving that person/entity without whatever was stolen.

When something is downloaded nothing is physically taken from anyone and although a % of people would of bought the original music most probably would not of done so.

In this day and age with so many people producing music and so much competition... it´s actually good that people download and share music as it is a form of publicity for the artist.

Times are changing, thats a fact and in order to prevent so called piracy they will strip us of the little privacy we have.

Shouldn´t people be making music because they love it and it inspires them? Whats the fun of making good music and not sharing it?

Calling people pirates because they downloaded a song to enjoy and persecuting them sounds pretty harsh to me and seems to go against the flow of music itself.

And no I personally don´t download music. Just the songs that Artists put up for that specific purpose.

I won't stoop to calling you an idiot..... you did that yourself.

[jaykay]

It's a strange argument with no decisive winner really.....yet.

The industry needed a shake-up to move ahead, the corporate side of things was getting way too money hungry with shareholders taking precedence over artists. Unfortunately that shake-up hasn't really occurred, more just a case of denial.

Problem is, prohibition hasn't worked in the past and it won't work in this scenario either. The old adage reigns true, where there's a will there's a way, and in this case, technology (i.e. the internet, programs available) moves way faster than any law can keep up with.

To a degree everyone (almost anyhow) has been pirating music in the past and present: making mix tapes for girlfriends, recording the latest hits off the radio or more recently, copying friends CD's into iTunes (or similar) or even burning them directly to another CD. With the coming of the digital age came the major hindrance to the industry, and that was, perfect digital copies.

I think the traditional sense of purchasing something tangible that somehow contains music to be played back on a stereo of some sort is a bit long in the tooth these days. That doesn't mean I support pirates, I just think a whole new methodology needs to be implemented in the pursuit of selling music itself. Perhaps a monthly fee with download limit depending on how much is paid per month etc. The iTunes store has been a good example of what can be done when thinking a little outside the box.

Essentially what I'm saying is that rules were made to be broken, and humankind inherently break laws.

Oh well, my 2 cents.

[author]

Originally Posted by Skywalker

It´s one thing if u have people making thousands of copies to re-sell at a lower price (that is what I see as piracy) and it´s another for a person to download a few songs to listen to and enjoy.

People like you should be banned from this forum.

[Skywalker]

Originally Posted by jaykay

It's a strange argument with no decisive winner really.....yet.

The industry needed a shake-up to move ahead, the corporate side of things was getting way too money hungry with shareholders taking precedence over artists. Unfortunately that shake-up hasn't really occurred, more just a case of denial.

Problem is, prohibition hasn't worked in the past and it won't work in this scenario either. The old adage reigns true, where there's a will there's a way, and in this case, technology (i.e. the internet, programs available) moves way faster than any law can keep up with.

To a degree everyone (almost anyhow) has been pirating music in the past and present: making mix tapes for girlfriends, recording the latest hits off the radio or more recently, copying friends CD's into iTunes (or similar) or even burning them directly to another CD. With the coming of the digital age came the major hindrance to the industry, and that was, perfect digital copies.

I think the traditional sense of purchasing something tangible that somehow contains music to be played back on a stereo of some sort is a bit long in the tooth these days. That doesn't mean I support pirates, I just think a whole new methodology needs to be implemented in the pursuit of selling music itself. Perhaps a monthly fee with download limit depending on how much is paid per month etc. The iTunes store has been a good example of what can be done when thinking a little outside the box.

Essentially what I'm saying is that rules were made to be broken, and humankind inherently break laws.

Oh well, my 2 cents.

It´s great that some people can share an opinion without attempting to put anyone down to prove their point.

Right and wrong compliment eachother. I´m sure all of us do much worse then what is being discussed here. It´s wrong to pollute the planet for example, much wronger then downloading a tune I´m sure we all agree... yet I wonder how many of you actually persecute yourselves for driving your cars.