Gearslutz is becoming like the rest...

[Robotnik]

Why are there so many ___________ vs. __________ threads?

Why are there so many, "Which _____________ copy is the best" threads?

Why are there so many, "What's the best _________________ for recording _______________" threads?

Why are there so many, "How do you record _____________" threads?

Gearslutz has become a gathering of noobs.

Jules, maybe you should have a separate forum for all of these VERSUS threads?

[Bob Olhsson]

The thing that disturbs me is that so many people want a simple answer to what is best when the true answer is almost always "it depends."

[Nutmeg II.]

we should do a FAQ!

[DanV]

I kinda like Robotnik's idea for a separate forum.

But first I would like to know -

What is the best way to convert spdif to control voltage for under $10?

[entropy]

just to stick up for the newbies....

I agree with the posts above but at the end of the day, it's to be expected. Noobies want to aspire to be better and the fact that hang out where the pro's do jus' reflects on the success of GS and also the crap that most gearpimps spout when trying to offload shit.
The other point is that for many, being able to decide between an Avalon 737 and an Amek 9098 when you don't have a local store that keeps these in stock or are able to demo them means that people need to be able to get end user opinions. In an ideal world, you'd say "what do your ears tell you" but unless you're living in New York/LA/London etc you will be severely limited in what gear you can test out.

[Tim L]

Originally posted by Randall
... It's none of my buisiness I guess, but I wonder how much $$ Jules is shelling out monthly to keep this place up and running, which reminds me, it probably wouldn't hurt to put a little something from the Slutzstore on the ole Christmas shopping list, I intend to.

...What's the best tee-shirt for under $17...?

[2leod]

Hear, hear...
Props to Jules for making a site that more and more people, including the newbs ( I like that better - the other one just looks too much like... well, boobs ) like to hang out at. My only advice to new posters would be to lurk a little and just listen (... well, read) and not come charging out of the gate with "So does the mic wire thingy go in the front hole or the back hole - which is best?" Most of the important stuff comes up in time during the course of regular exchanges...

[David Herbert]

An easy way to answer those questions without clogging the bbs is to link to an existing thread on the same topic.
Also, I hear that wearing a Gearslutz T gives you the incredible super power of not noticing all the "x > y < z" threads.
Happy Holidays, David

[PRS1JAZZ]

I have an easy solution to this problem. I do think that the X vs Y forums are important. Gearslutz is about spending money.... alot of money.... on gear. I think those on limited budgets need guidence because you want the suitable piece of gear for the the right instrument or voice. SO...... in order to keep this to a minimum.... Make a new forum..... called the X vs Y. This will keep all this talk at bay.... and still help those who are building budget based studios.... It might help. But I do not think that gearsluts is turning into the rest. I just think this is a place where we can decide where we want the next 1-5K to go to ......

[ozraves]

Has there been any threads about what's the best mic for under $100?

[davemc]

Well I just click on read new posts.. So I do not look at the forums seperate. This is really the only forum I visit I do this in..
I would not do it on DUC as the 001/002 forums do not do it for me, like I can get x plugs on a Mac vs PC threads.
There is not a lot of what $10 mic sounds better then a U47 type threads here yet
You can always skip what you do not want to read.

A lot of the gear talked about here is not even for sale in Australia, and a lot I cannot even get from the distributors to try...
So I do normally do a search first here before posting..

[matucha]

I'm with Davemc...

[Dave Martin]

My new years resolution is to not post in any thread with 'vs.' in the title. This Is not a contest, after all...

[Robotnik]

I thought of a name for this new forum:

The Satanic Versus

[loudist]

The funny thing about this topic is that everyone at some time or another has asked similar questions.

Everyone is on a different part of the curve, some are nearer to the beginning. It seems to me that one is behooving to pass knowledge on to the 'apprentices' of the craft, as someone at one time passed it on to them.
There should be no us/them or I want to segregate the noobs form the beautiful people.

It smacks of snobbery and bigotry by definition.

Of course, one must consider the initial source of this thread.

[chessparov]

As the only "newb" posting on this thread
so far, must say that I strongly resemble these remarks.

Thankfully, all the moderators have shown a high tolerance level for this kind of thing here by keeping a good attitude IMHO.

I feel some empathy with my fellow newbs as they tend to stress out over "gear" more than is appropriate, given our limited understanding of engineering.(been there done that!) At this level just making a good, respectable demo recording is an achievement in itself.

A separate non-pro home studio forum would be a noteworthy idea, moderated by someone patient with excellent "translation" skills ala Harvey Gerst at PSW.

Maybe someone like...Dave Martin or Bob Ohlsson? Or you guys could split it up and one takes the "smart" questions and the other the "dumb" ones.

Chris

Chris

[2leod]

Originally posted by Robotnik
I thought of a name for this new forum:

The Satanic Versus

How about "The Scripture Versus" instead? That way those reading them will take it as the gospel truth... chuckle, chuckle.

[2leod]

Originally posted by Randall
Having said all that..Can one of you guys please tell me what is the best pre/mic combo for recording a juiceharp?

Well... "it depends".
(Tip o' the cap to Mr. Olhsson!)

[BrianT]

I agree that the tone has become more negative in the last few months.

I personally regret having unintentionally contributed to that. What mutated into the whole "Paris and PT" thread went so sadly down the toilet, I very much wish I had never brought up what was intended to be an informative sonic discussion. I've learned that I'm not as good of a communicator as I had thought, since where that all went was not my original intent. Have to blame myself for that.

As a result, I've posted less of late. Life is too short to end up in a fight on the internet with someone you've never met in person, and likely never will. As Alphajerk and I found out last summer, often you might get along quite well, in person. At one point a couple of years back, I'm quite sure Alpha and I would have been happy to hop in a boxing ring, with or without gloves on. But meeting Alpha and his (hot babe of a) wife and son last summer reminded me that we are just looking at QWERTY characters online, not people's faces. The 80% of communication that is nonverbal is completely lost online, and I think that's a big part of the occasional animosity.

Something about looking at a monitor while typing on a keyboard seems to make people less kind than they would be in person. Bummer.


Regards,
Brian T

[flexoffset]

Something about looking at a monitor while typing on a keyboard seems to make people less kind than they would be in person. Bummer.

I followed that debate you had going a little while before and after the meltdown.

...truth be told, some people really are complete steamy sacks of skunk-shit and I think they're that way in real life, too.
I ran into one for the first time at another forum last week.
I've yet to see anyone increase their stature by being an asshole to someone else.

The professionals that peruse these forums are courteous people and helpful. That's one of the distinguishing characteristics that sets this site apart from so many others.

[Jules]

I think there will be unfortunate episodes on any web forum.

Forums also go through 'seasons'; highs & lows, doldrums, totally rocking times, passionate / heated political debates can rage. Enthusiastic newbies continue to slip up and mess temporarily with the tone of the place by crashing in recklessly, moderators even goof and get themselves into 'situations'...

However, what's most important overall I feel, is the ability to 'bounce back' , restore, regenerate, evolve and improve.

Gearslutz has had golden era's in the past, I am sure it will have more in the future..

Thanks



Jules

Gearslutz admin

[Scott Peterson]

I was Co-Administrator of the PRS Forum during its five year run and currently Administrator of the Gear Page for two years now ( www.gearpage.net *focused on high end guitars/basses/amps/effects*) .

These types threads come up every now and then; especially during periods of growth.

Change is inevitable on internet discussion forums; it is a fluid existance.

I, for one, am very impressed with gearslutz.com; it has an edge but the information and members here are without peer on the internet. The moderation is patient and mature.

For all the episodes (I have not been a member here long enough to comment on it here) that will happen, it indeed is both cylical and seasonal. And it happens across the net; not just here.

I have been bopping around the net looking for a Forum to soothe my recording/mixing passion and this is *the* place to for that.

I wouldn't sweat a few threads going awry; it happens to all forums. As long as the moderators keep an even keel; it will all balance in the end.

Just my opinion.

[David Herbert]

I don't see that GS is on a down-swing. the mods and regulars are good, knowledgeable folks, and that attracts people who are looking for some knowledge. I don't mind answering an X vs Y if the question is intelligent and it hasn't been asked ad nauseum.
I have a personal standard regarding what I will post. I won't write anything I wouldn't say to atranger in a bar, that is, inflammatory stuff. I also ask myself if I would be proud to stand behind what I write if I read it 6 months down the road.
I have run across some jerks, but mostly the problems stem from misunderstandings, or that you are talking to a 17 year-old who thinks it's fun to rile people up. True, there are some people who are just creeps (but they are fairly rare).
Jules has a great place here. I have seen him deal with some sticky situations and he does so with class. I will now once again do some shameless promo on his behalf-
"Girls Just Love a Man Who Ain't Afraid to Admit Hes a Slut..." (picture An AE wearing a Slutz T, surrounded by fawning Rockettes).
David

[Mad John]

Can someone tell me how I can get a Professional sound?

I play lite and tender.

[chessparov]

As a current student of neuro-linguistics, I've learned that the printed word is only approximately 7% of actual communication.

38% is the tonality of the human voice,
and 55% is based on a person's body language.

Or to paraphrase the wise Yogi;
"7% of communication are Internet posts, the other half is mental".

If you look at organized activities like the Martial Arts, chess, competitive singing etc., they all have an established format for judging the skill level of the participants.
There is an awareness among those in charge that maintaining discipline and respect among advanced and beginning members is important in maintaining a positive support group.

The closer any BBS comes to this goal, the better off it is IMHO.

Chris


Chris

[Ruphus]

Originally posted by chessparov
As a current student of neuro-linguistics, I've learned that the printed word is only approximately 7% of actual communication.

38% is the tonality of the human voice,
and 55% is based on a person's body language.

Or to paraphrase the wise Yogi;
"7% of communication are Internet posts, the other half is mental".

If you look at organized activities like the Martial Arts, chess, competitive singing etc., they all have an established format for judging the skill level of the participants.
There is an awareness among those in charge that maintaining discipline and respect among advanced and beginning members is important in maintaining a positive support group.

The closer any BBS comes to this goal, the better off it is IMHO.

Chris


Chris

Hey Chris,

Isn´t that a feaking interesting example about communication?!
In the past they used to include also observations about things like hair cut and dress. And all the indivudually examined elements were of higher focus to the recepient than the actual words, respectively their content.

It is definitly great to point out that due to missing gestures with correspondence just slight mistakes in phrasing can lead to major misunderstandings.

I always thought the other way round to be very remarkable also, say in life your damn hair cut or shoes can sabotage your or any´s message.
Superficiality.

The shortcoming of correspondence we hopefully can overcome by straightening out and correcting ourselves afterwards, while irrelevance in the perception of important appearances rather rarely has an undo option.

At the end gestures, eloquence and shape of for instance political personalities are far dominating before the actual intentions.
If I was a big head in the industry and were looking for a new politicial face to put on stage I would let seek for a relative double of any very popular actor. ( How about Tom Hanks, Cruise?)
Provided the double´s past was kosher, gave him rhetoric class, and there you went.
Adjust the hair cut and voilà, a highly trusted representative would had been generated.

Sorry that I went OT, the example you mentioned made me think of conveyance in Life.

( BTW, I very, very rarely dress a suit, but it can be incredible what happens then.)
I guess it is a 7% world we live in.


Ruphus

[chessparov]

Thanks for your comments Ruphus.

Anyone else?

Chris

[David Herbert]

I know of a few cases where people having serious issues on bbs talked on the phone for 20 min and worked it out. I also have heard tell of a couple guys, who had been at odds, getting together for drinks- ten rounds later they were on solid ground (well, relatively speaking). David

[andre tchmil]

hey hey.
read the first post of this topic and think why you all reading and reply to this .
The answer is somewhere in the first post.
funny indeed.

[patrox247]

I agree whole heartedly that the X vs Y thing is getting a little out of hand.
By the way....What's better Great River or Vintech?
I only have $15 to spend