Originally Posted by joeq
you have been doing this for 13 years
and you are still looking to the 'post your songs' forums? I know the music business is in the crapper but if you can't develop a way to take your music directly
to the public by now, when
do you expect to start?
Do you think someone is going to discover you because you got Favorited X amount of times? Not going to happen.
and yet what else is there to do but
promote it? If there was money in the music business anymore, someone else might promote your music for a cut
. But 50% of nothing is still nothing.
I record scads of very talented people who never see the light of day because they:
1. don't know how to promote themselves
2. don't really want to promote themselves (prefer to play music!)
3. try to promote themselves and become discouraged right away
if it doesn't work
promoting a song after a few months because it's "old"! (if your audience has not heard it yet, it is NEW to them!)
No. The general decline in the music industry is caused by one thing only: the fact that nobody has to pay for the music they listen to, and so they don't.
Even if your music becomes very
'popular' nobody will buy
it- you will get a lot of downloads on torrents and people will make "videos" consisting of a still photograph with your song as the "soundtrack". After a zillion plays, THAT person will get forty bucks from youtube, not you! More music is being 'consumed' now than at any point in history. It's just that during previous historical er, as the music came on a piece of plastic and without paying for that object you did not have
the song. That has all changed now!
The oversaturation makes YOUR life more difficult, your promoting job 1000x harder, but the real reason for the decline of the industry will smack you in the face once you succeed
in getting your song 'out there' and STILL no money comes in! The other night I saw Miley Cyrus on a talk show looking straight into the camera and just about BEGGING her fans to actually "buy the CD" - talked about the bonus posters and gift things inside the package etc. You would think someone like that has it made in the shade, but this is the person with the number one song in the country, reduced to begging her own fans to please please actually PAY for their copy of her music!
The reason they are 'not paying' isn't because there's a lot of wannabees
clogging up the internet! They are 'not paying' essentially because they don't have to!!
Well, how many of your
'good will' efforts resulted in you doing anything more than "favoriting" the guy's song? Did you BUY a copy?
In any case, why are you wasting your time trying to promote your songs to other people who have songs of their own to promote? Forget
those people! They are NOT your market!!
IMO this is a very promising avenue! Instead of trying to get "likes" on the internet, make a show reel and start pounding the pavements. Actually make appointments and go see the people responsible for getting soundtrack material in person. Sell yourself and you sell your music. There are hundreds of TV shows that need music, and if your stuff worked for one of them it may well work for others. You don't have to accept this as an 'anomaly'. Make it happen.
best advice in the thread. Even if you are doing strange one-man electronic music, playing at shows and raves is the way you connect with people
. I remember asking a successful guy how he promoted himself to start and he said "one fan at a time". He meant doing gigs, talking to people, traveling to other towns. And don't forget that 'after the gig' is one of the few places left where you actually CAN sell a few CDs!!
A lot of points there , and I wont address them all.
I know there is still money in the industry . I have seen it coming to me via the PR
, and just in my last statement , it was interesting to discover that I got paid much more from one track ........one.....track , than I did from sales of whole albums.
I had one track used in multiple places from bars to pubs and restaurants , to karaoke and aerobics clubs , and although my primary motivation for making music isnt money , Im certainly not gonna push someones hand away if they want to buy it.
When people say " there is no money in music anymore " , I think that could be re-interpreted as "if you're after champagne and caviar for breakfast , and want to fly to the corner shop in a private lear jet , forget it......but if you use your loaf and you are savvy , promoting yoyr music with the goal of accessing alternative revenue streams , you can still make a considerable amount of money ".
I dont want a lavish lifestyle. I know those trappings can become your gods. Like most people , I'd be happy just to be content. I have zero interest in getting to such a high profile place where I cant go anywhere without getting mobbed , and the thought of having to fly from place to place to place to go on shows and chat about the latest album , because I have to make back the thousands , or millions , the label invested in me. I mean , who wants that pressure ??
Its probably a lot tougher for miley cyrus because the label have bankrolled everything from flights , travel costs , bar tabs , payments to tv companies , stadium hire , personnel hire , wardrobe and hotel bills , and it all needs to be paid back , so im not surprised she is begging for people to buy her cd. She knows she'll be bankrupt if she doesnt , which explains the whole 'twerking' thing. No such thing as bad publicity right ?
But thats extreme. I would never want any of that pressure , stress , or a label trying to box me , brand me , direct my music down a particular avenue , and make me into a cash cow.
There are ways of getting music into games , and various syncing opportunities , and I went to a small convention in the last few years where a visiting speaker told us a hollywood tv company were ready to pay a band a 6 figure sum for one track. One track !
The irony was that their track wasnt used because they had neglected to embed proper metadata in the track , and the company needed a quick turnaround , considering it was quicker to use a different track with the metadata already in it , so that band lost $100k because of sloppy admin.
I couldnt give a stuff about charts. Doesnt interest me in the slightest. They are only geared towards 13 year olds most of the time , with a dollop of social engineering thrown into the mix.
What does interest me , are those alternative revenue streams such as syncing , licensing , etc , and my questions are asking more for an angle on how to do this , rather than a sign of giving up.
Like Thomas Edison when inventing the light bulb , I also , havent failed. I have just found 10, 000 ways NOT