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Wont analogs be able to reproduce digital instruments someday?

Have all the analog manufacturers thrown in the towel?

Has digital now taken over as the king of EDM? For every inspird artist who uses analog, there's 10 who use digital.

There has been a shift in the analog manufacturers to more digital based systems and those that haven't shifted are really just rehashing old ideas. Maybe the most novel analog gear I've seen is that piece of kit they used in "the social network".

Why have all the mainstream manufacturers foregone fully analog systems and have left the art to boutique designers?

Has the market changed that much?

How is it that the paradigm has shifted so much that now analog can be anything with atleast one analog component?

Why do manufacturers elusively speak of their digital driven synths as analog?

Will analogs ever be able to reproduce the huge range of sounds of digital?

Will analog ever be able to drive the medium forward again or will digital continue to be the front runner?

Will we ever get an analog that isn't littered with white noise and frequency drift?

When will analogs have the soul and heart of digital synths?

When will analogs be able to recreate the aliveness of pressing a controller and driving a digital synth?

When will analog filters be able to recreate the magic of digital filters?

When will I shut the **** up?
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When will analogs be able to reproduce the effeciency of digital?

When will I be able to duplicate my analog by hitting command+d on the keyboard?

Will analog ever have a clip view?
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Take a look at the current trends in the eurorack modular format:

- Analog oscillators with through-zero FM for more stable tuning
- Digital wavetable oscillators/scanners
- Bit and sample-rate reduction
- Algorithmic sequence generation (Stoicheia, Noisering, Turing Machine)
- Direct communication with DAWs (Expert Sleepers stuff)
- Arduino-based programmable modules (Ardcore)
- Polyphony (multichannel MIDI interfaces, Tip Top Poly-VCO)
- Complex and Touch-screen driven sequencers (Kilpatrick, Modcan Touch Sequencer)
- LCD-based Oscilloscopes / VU-meters / Tuners (O'Tool)
- Syncable LFO's (SSL Modulation Orgy)

They're taking the best things in the digital realm and modularizing them. And you don't see users whining about the digital nature of these modules: they are embracing them.
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No matter how hard I try, I just can't seem to dial up a cold lifeless digital sound on my Moogs.
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No matter how hard I try, I just can't seem to dial up a cold lifeless digital sound on my Moogs.
According to Karloff70, you should try a Moog Voyager if you want that cold, "digital" sound.

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Not the most awesome or indeed analog sounding piece of analog ever made if you don't mind me saying.
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Maybe you are. Check this:

Minimoog Model D vs Moog Voyager Comparison - YouTube

Try and make the sound at 9 minutes with a Voyager and see how much life it will have.
Don Solaris thinks they really have that cell phone tone, can't get much more digital than that I say.

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Dude i don't wanna come as a di*k, but are you recording this with a cell phone??

Whatever synths it is, sounds horrid.
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No matter how hard I try, I just can't seem to dial up a cold lifeless digital sound on my Moogs.
Its a travesty.
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So what was the point of starting this thread besides trolling?
Post count?... maybe...
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Don Solaris thinks they really have that cell phone tone, can't get much more digital than that I say.
OMG



I have said that your recording sounds like it was made with a phone.

"...but are you recording this with a cell phone??"

The audio that you posted sounded shitty. Get it? In poor quality audio you could as well put a random freeware VST and NO one would notice a difference compared to that Voyager.

I appreciate your time for uploading stuff but if you want to give some authenticity to your test, then use normal wav file recorded straight off your synth. Because that low quality mp3 file made that thing sound like a shit, which is precisely what i said.

Just my 0.05 cents.
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My profanity is not up to snuff. What's a 6 letter word that needs censoring? Is there an analog for that?
F--ker is my guess.
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Considering digital components are made out of analog elements (transistors...) then the answer is : it's already the case.

How boring.
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"Will analogs ever be able to reproduce the huge range of sounds of digital?"

By the very nature of analog this would be cost prohibitive and falls firmly in the category of stupid questions.
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This question blurs the line between analog and digital

Digital still has to go through an analog process ie electricity powering the hardware

If there is an analog computation machine capable of doing all the things you asked IMO it is the same as digital

The question sucks really
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Nope
How about the British slang derogatory term that rhymes with "rotary engine" ?
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OMG



I have said that your recording sounds like it was made with a phone.

"...but are you recording this with a cell phone??"

The audio that you posted sounded shitty. Get it? In poor quality audio you could as well put a random freeware VST and NO one would notice a difference compared to that Voyager.

I appreciate your time for uploading stuff but if you want to give some authenticity to your test, then use normal wav file recorded straight off your synth. Because that low quality mp3 file made that thing sound like a shit, which is precisely what i said.

Just my 0.05 cents.
Don, you're not making a very good case here.

1. I've been uploading MP3 like almost everyone else here since Gearslutz offers a convenient player to hear the sounds. We know how lazy some people can be, even when it comes to listening to audio examples.

2. The soloed analog sound of a Voyager is not going to be degraded substantially, IF AT ALL, by an MP3 encoded at a Constant Bit Rate of 320.

3. As I mentioned in the other thread, I did not record the Voyager, so you cannot say I was recording it as someone biased. They were recorded by someone else.

4. The sound was originally a wav file just like the other example I posted which was Diva. All sounds were encoded as MP3, so the comparison was still fair. It was not WAV against MP3. They are essentially the same as the original, so if you think the 320 MP3s sound like cell phone quality, you'd also think the wav files do too.


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So... analog or not?
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That first mp3. Which synth is that????

Sounds STELLAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nothing special, Don. I used a simple ZOOM H1 Handy Recorder going straight to 196kbps mp3 (!) for the purposes of this thread. With a good synth, you don't need to put in a lot of work to get a good sound! Ah -- but wait -- I forgot that with mp3 compression all of that quality gets lost anyway so what's the point, right?!

Maybe it is a calibration issue. What rev is your P?
Thank you, I rest my case.
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Not very knowledgable about British slang. Could I have possibly encountered in the delightful comedy of "keeping up with appearances"?
Haha, this is most unlikely my deaaaaar.
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Haha, this is most unlikely my deaaaaar.
I ****ing love that show
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4. The sound was originally a wav file just like the other example I posted which was Diva. All sounds were encoded as MP3, so the comparison was still fair. It was not WAV against MP3. They are essentially the same as the original, so if you think the 320 MP3s sound like cell phone quality, you'd also think the wav files do too.
Funny how i found that recording "shitty" and i'm not trying to dispute your programming abilities. I'll take its the type of the sounds that i'm probably not fond of. Those two sounds just didn't sit right for me. I would most likely reach for something much simpler, probably a VST if i would look for similar sound. For me, a good raw analog sound would be that uploaded P-6 arpeggio in the same thread. Or what Maison Vague posted with his P-5 demo - that is what i consider a full juicy analog sound. Anyway i see your point and i don't disagree with you.
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No matter how hard I try, I just can't seem to dial up a cold lifeless digital sound on my Moogs.
I got a sampled-sounding vocal "ah" patch out of my MKS-80 once and also got something very close to DX7 "Bass 1".
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That first mp3. Which synth is that????

Thank you, I rest my case.
Hah!

What i thought was that you used a low quality setting on that mp3 recording.

Not that mp3 sucks or whatever. I use mp3 all the time.

In fact i even wrote that:

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Hah!

What i thought was that you used a low quality setting on that mp3 recording.

Not that mp3 sucks or whatever. I use mp3 all the time.

In fact i even wrote that:
I used the same setting for all audio files. Fraunhofer encoder at 320 CBR.
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Why have all the mainstream manufacturers foregone fully analog systems and have left the art to boutique designers?
Korg MS20 mini
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But that's kind of the point I was making when I said these mainstream makers don't evolve the analogs they just rehash them and usually in a worse way (ie Moog, dsi, can't speak to the new ms-20 because I haven't used it)
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Have all the analog manufacturers thrown in the towel?

Has digital now taken over as the king of EDM? For every inspird artist who uses analog, there's 10 who use digital.

There has been a shift in the analog manufacturers to more digital based systems and those that haven't shifted are really just rehashing old ideas. Maybe the most novel analog gear I've seen is that piece of kit they used in "the social network".

Why have all the mainstream manufacturers foregone fully analog systems and have left the art to boutique designers?

Has the market changed that much?

How is it that the paradigm has shifted so much that now analog can be anything with atleast one analog component?

Why do manufacturers elusively speak of their digital driven synths as analog?

Will analogs ever be able to reproduce the huge range of sounds of digital?

Will analog ever be able to drive the medium forward again or will digital continue to be the front runner?

Will we ever get an analog that isn't littered with white noise and frequency drift?

When will analogs have the soul and heart of digital synths?

When will analogs be able to recreate the aliveness of pressing a controller and driving a digital synth?

When will analog filters be able to recreate the magic of digital filters?

When will I shut the **** up?

Why all the infatuation with anal logs!?
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Why all the infatuation with anal logs!?
Analogue = Analog = Anal logs = shit

Therefore

Analogs = shit?
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DAMN IT! I just tried to download the new ms-20 and its too ****ing big to fit through my internet connection. WTF Analog, can't you do anything right?
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How about the British slang derogatory term that rhymes with "rotary engine" ?
Rhymes with 'Anchor'
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How does it rhyme with anchor and rotary engine?

I must have pronunciation issues
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In surprised thats considered profanity on the queens island. Brits have such delicate sensibilities.
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