Originally Posted by John Moran
"Those who can, do
Those who can't, teach."
NYU tuition is ~$60k per year and the Clive Davis recording program in the Tisch School of the Arts at NYU is cranking them out too.
My feeling is that the superior schools in the major markets, (NYU Tisch, USC Spielberg School, Belmont, MTSU) will at least get the kids a decent and well rounded education in addition to better opportunities to intern/get a foot in the door at real facilities with a chance to move up. When you start looking at the for profit and junior/community college programs in the middle of nowhere, not so much.
My advice to any aspiring kid is to focus more on the ENGINEERING side with less focus on the AUDIO side. A more conventional degree in EE or at least the real technical electronics side will carry them much further plus having a well rounded education that teaches them to think and not just twiddle a knob. It does require a more rigorous course of study and isn't quite as cool to tell the babes at the bar. But down the road, that EE/Tech grad will be making large $ designing or repairing the next cool thing in gear while the audio only grad will be behind the bar serving drinks to the EE and the gorgeous babe standing along side him.
(Sexist example used for illustrative purposes only )
Indeed...crazy, crazy, crazy...SMMFH...
My advice, as always, is AVOID THE DEBT.
Unless you have a CLEAR FOLLOW-UP BUSINESS PLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
I repeat this over and over, because it's NO JOKE.
It's LITERALLY A LIFETIME OF INDENTURED SERVITUDE TO BANKS - with almost ZERO guaranteed income!!
Imagine graduating with an acting MFA from Yale - and $150k-$200k in student loan loan debt (or more).
And then moving to Hollywood to try to find work?
As an ACTOR????
(one in how many millions?)
...(meanwhile, all the real actors have been working in the industry since they were children).
Of all the **members**
of the Screen Actor's Guild, only 2 percent make more than $200,000 a year,
while 8 percent make between $10,000-$30,000, and 90 percent are mostly unemployed
There are around 100,000 working
GUILD actors, only around 50
would be considered stars.
Read that again - 90% of the GUILD, that means DUES PAYING MEMBERS are unemployed.
So, if 100,000 GUILD ACTORS are working
, that means 900,000 are UNEMPLOYED!!!
In Hollywood, you can throw a penny, and hit an unemployed dues-paying SAG
This is 900,000 GUILD actors
who are not working, but are mere starry-eyed dreamers,
like most musicians).
So, if we remove the 90% unemployed DUES PAYING MEMBERS, we get the REALITY of millions of unemployed actors -
MOST of whom are NOT dues paying members of any guild, but mere starry-eyed dreamers.
I wonder how many of these million dues-paying SAG actors have unmanageable student loan debt?
And how many of the non-union actors (easily another few million)
have unmanageable student loan debt?
Well, your chances as a musician or audio engineer are just about the same.
You might be better off with a degree in poetry, dance, photography, web design, journalism, blogging, communications, printing, shoe repair or the culinary arts.
(This is sarcasm, btw
). It's the student loan debt that REALLY pisses me off.
The schools, banks and government institution executives
all manage to make off with our well-earned tuition money and government loan tax dollars
So the students and taxpayers get ****ed.
It's really QUITE
And, as always, the poor and least educated suffer the most.
As taxpayers AND students, we get screwed by the government twice
. Again, do what you love. Study what you love. Knock yourself out.
Just don't take on heavy unmanageable debt doing it!
And how do you KNOW
what's "unmanageable" debt???
You have to do the basic potential professional employment math, BEFORE you start applying for all those loans.
Talk to professionals in the real world. Visit studios. Contact producers and engineers.
Ask them what they make. If they won't tell you, ask them what they charge.
Then do the math. What are their carrying costs, including gear upgrades, etc.?
(How much are THEY paying back in student loan debt now!?
How many salaried employees do they have? What do the employees earn?
They're not going to give you this information easily, so you have to figure it out for yourself.
If you want to be a starry-eyed dreamer, fine - just don't be a starry-eyed dreamer IDIOT
Everyone kids themselves while they're in school, and then they graduate - and they're ****ed.
The Disney shit in our country has to stop.