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[brianellefson]

Franzia? Isn't that who makes it? It's all good dude. This place is a melting pot.

[Nola111]

Originally Posted by brianellefson

Franzia? Isn't that who makes it? It's all good dude. This place is a melting pot.

Haha, no these days it's Black Box. I love cheap wine out of a plastic bag. It is my muse these days.

[drycappuccinoguy]

Cheap wine more gear !!

[grantb3]

Recommend using a straw!

[Whitecat]

Good news then, as long as it's red.

[Doc Mixwell]

fitting juice for hanging around the grapevine

[chk23]

Cheers dude, also did that last week. But it was spanish wine directly from the winegrower. Low priced but not cheap in quality, a low end bang-for-the-buck, so to say.

[kafka]

Originally Posted by chk23

Cheers dude, also did that last week. But it was spanish wine directly from the winegrower. Low priced but not cheap in quality, a low end bang-for-the-buck, so to say.

Don't the wine experts say that no bottle is worth more than $25? The rest is all marketing.

[chk23]

Originally Posted by kafka

Don't the wine experts say that no bottle is worth more than $25? The rest is all marketing.

I heard something quite similar - beyond 25$ there's no further increasy in quality, you only pay for special or rare flavour (and big names, off course). Sometimes I think that is also true for most gear beyond a certain price limit...

[Whitecat]

It's arguable.

There's something to be said about some of the high end Bordeaux first growths, or the finest of the Spanish Ribera del Dueros or Priorats, or the best of the Aussie stuff like Penfold's Grange, or the rare(r) California wines in good vintages.

They are all probably worth more than $25 (in that you simply cannot find an analog in a cheaper variant - not consistently, anyway).

That said, most probably aren't worth what they fetch now at wine auctions and en primeur sales. I would argue that a handful of wines might be worth $100/bottle, but it's unlikely to be "worth" $1,000 (or more).

Age helps with the big names, and that's something you pay for if you don't buy en primeur - "ex Chateau" vintage releases will be marked up because you're compensating them for the fact that they had to store it properly for years. Same goes for buying older vintages from respectable wine shops that have proper cellaring facilities.

There's a lot more to it than just marketing.

And, it's worth noting too, that the boxed wines of today are way better than the boxed wines of the past (although there's still plonk!"

Tetra-Pak type wine packaging is starting to catch on too!

[Nola111]

Yeah I agree that it would be hard for any winemaker to prove that they put $1,000 worth of work/value into any bottle of their wine.

[chk23]

Originally Posted by Nola111

Yeah I agree that it would be hard for any winemaker to prove that they put $1,000 worth of work/value into any bottle of their wine.

Like with all luxury goods that gain value with age/rarity, production cost isn't a factor. I don't think that Neumann put 12.000$ worth of work/value into a single vintage U47

[kafka]

Originally Posted by chk23

Like with all luxury goods that gain value with age/rarity, production cost isn't a factor. I don't think that Neumann put 12.000$ worth of work/value into a single vintage U47

Yes, and it's marketing, too. All those pics of Frank Sinatra and The Beatles singing into them make a difference. There's no objective reason to think the U47 is the greatest mic ever made, or was even worth preserving after production ceased - only the subjective opinion that people like it. If it has been less popular among a certain group of very well funded recording artists, another mic would have held the same stature. It happened to be present during a growing and formative era, so it had a chance.

[Jules]

Hey in Venice, Italy, there are wine shops where folks just turn up with used mineral water bottles and fill em up from huge vats to take home for dinner!

Who needs a cork when you are going to drink it in the next hour?

[Whitecat]

Originally Posted by Jules

Hey in Venice, Italy, there are wine shops where folks just turn up with used mineral water bottles and fill em up from huge vats to take home for dinner!

Who needs a cork when you are going to drink it in the next hour?

They do that at the government owned liquor stores in Winnipeg, Canada too. Doesn't make it classy.

[kafka]

You've been able to do that at quite a few restaurant micro-breweries in the US for a long time now. Beer is just liquid bread. It should always be served fresh!

[RightOnRome]

Originally Posted by Nola111

Just wanted to mention that. Cheers everyone.

craft beer for me! .. troegs nugget nectar today

cheers!

[AjanovicH]

Originally Posted by RightOnRome

craft beer for me! .. troegs nugget nectar today

cheers!

A beer aficionado in a wine thread?
I am enjoying Peroni while writing this!
Cheers!