Originally Posted by psycho_monkey
Jarvis is about as far from a "hipster" as you can get. The way he dresses, the music etc is just him - he's the sort of person that leads the scene, not follows it. He'd be dressing like that even if it wasn't trendy - which it wasn't when he started doing it!
He's also a really great dad
Anyone who must "lead the scene" is automatically a hipster.
My father is an art professor. Wins a few shows for painting dilapidated buildings. Just because folks have been painting landscapes for centuries doesn't decrease the validity of his work.
The punks in his class who can't be bothered to do a 3-point perspective? Not so valid. You want to be an artist? Spend a year tracing saggy geezer scrotum just like everyone else. It's been required for millennia because it works.
(Yes, it IS necessary. No, you can't skip it.)
Originally Posted by 3rd Degree
It has nothing to do with them being a hipster and I could care less about how people dress. I just don't like super negative people of any kind, especially those who make it a lifestyle.
I remember being invited to a party and these kids were analyzing everything about me, the way I dressed, the beer I was drinking, etc. I had a great time and that was discouraging to them. I talked to some of them and was nice to them and more than a few made a comment like "I really thought I wouldn't like you but you seem pretty cool". That's a really shitty mentality to have.
You've just summed up why hipsters are loathsome:
The hipster thought process works on the fundamental axiom of "That which is popular, is without merit." (It is worth noting that this is assuming that correlation implies causation. Britney Spears is both appalling and popular; toothpaste, while popular, is excellent.)
This results in the following chain of logic:
1. That which is popular is without value.
2. I should pursue that which is novel and yet unspoiled by popularity.
3. Distancing myself from the popular also distances me from the worthless. Ergo, I am superior.
This diaspora from the perceived shallow mainstream then results in this cyclical consumption of new material regardless of whether it's any good. It also results in the rejection of things like CDs, fuel injection, and personal hygiene.
Originally Posted by matyas
I like microbrew beer, own a Moog, collect vinyl records, drive a beat-up Toyota, and hang out in pretentious bars. But I really don't get the mullets, the ironic appreciation for the dregs of pop culture better left forgotten and the swilling of PBR.
Hipsters do not enjoy things for their own sake; they do them primarily to separate themselves from the hoi polloi. I do not drink Rob Roys and neat gin to separate myself from the crowd; I do it because the former are tasty and the latter is the least offensive way to become intoxicated on well liquor.
The people who make your fancy beer (or something very similar) go to a place called the Knuckle Down Saloon. They have free bratwurst during Packers games and hand out jell-O shots for touchdowns. Not quite my cup of tea, but they're really awfully friendly.
There are no hipsters at the Knuckle Down Saloon. They'd die of irony poisoning.