Recording in a studio vs sampled music prodn
Old 15th November 2012
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Recording in a studio vs sampled music prodn

I'm a frustrated classically trained pianist who grew up in the 70's trying to get my hands on everything in the synth/keyboard world available. Imagine my delight when years later I find I can have a full orchestra on a pc in my bedroom!
I set about learning how to wield this new "instrument" and found it an amazing creative world,
I soon also learnt how quickly it sent me broke and how steep the learning curve was to get the best sound out of this "instrument".
Anyway, after my first few computer crashes I stoically picked myself up, learning what the words "beta tester" meant first hand as I realised that the companies I was purchasing from really couldn't give a toss.
So why did I go back? Well, there's not a whole lot of competition in the pro orchestral market, and let's face it - when it works, I'm like a kid in a candy shop!
Anyway, I've been at it now for over 10 years, slowly honing my skills and refining my techniques of midi composition. I can only do music part time, so the progress is slow. And of course learning the necessary engineering and computer building bit makes it even slower.
Despite this, I feel I have finally come to a point whereby I'm ready to put my stuff out there commercially.
So I build yet another new computer in the hope that THIS one will be powerful enough to run flawlessly and let me get on with the composing fun.
All goes well, and in a month or so I'm up and running with my pc purring like a dream. I'd really like a particular sound out of my strings so I foolishly purchase the upgrade, and here we go again - clicks and pops and no ability to export. Ahhhhhhhhh.
All in all I had 4 months of composition heaven.
Now, I'm facing beta testing every combination of software again, reinstalls, and rebuilds, all to find it probably won't do a damn thing. Then the company will bring out another update in another years time, not admit to buggaring up my computer and all will go on.
Problem is, I've had it. I am seriously beyond depression. My life's work seems like it will never be out there. I feel a complete failure. I've spent so much money and time on this project to have absolutely nothing to show for it.
But I just can not get rid of the feeling that this music needs to be written.
The only other choice I see is to walk into a studio and let them deal with the stress, but I'm never going to be able to afford a full orchestra, not to mention all the wonderful effects, rare instruments etc I can get on computer.
I'm creative though, so I've started to rewrite on my cracking, popping nightmare of a computer and I've cut it all right back so it can be performed by just a handfull of musicians.
I'm writing out the music and am practising it up to play.
And I'm bored shitless.
I just want to go back to my creative space without these limitations, but everytime I turn the computer on and hear it cracking and popping, I just want to throw it out the window.
My depression is now at a point that I barely function. My bank balance is done. My music plays frantically in my head, day and night, with no release. I feel I'm going mad.
Is there anyone out there who has any solutions?
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1. It would help your situation if you would post exactly what sort of computer and software you are using. It sounds as if your a cobbling together some sort of collection of unsuitable bits of software on a weak or inappropriate system.

2. I wish I had ten dollars for every case I have experienced like yours. The system vendors are all gung-ho to sell you one package, then another and then another, but nobody that I have ever come across will sell you a working system. They expect the customer to build the product and then say "Oh, but it's easy!" Not everybody wants to (or can) lock horns and do battle with a PC or a Mac and some rubbish DAW that refuses to integrate MIDI without getting a nose bleed. (They say they do, but they don't!)

3. As JoeQ says, 'Print your tracks!' In other words, write a MIDI part for, say, strings and turn them into WAV files and put them into a track on your DAW. Then go back and write the horns, print them as WAVs and move on. I recommend Reaper as your final editing and mixing platform for the WAVs, but I would not try to use it for MIDI. Use whatever you are using, but don't expect what is in reality a jumped-up word processor to be able to render out all those samples in huge numbers on the fly.

4. In in doubt, work with somebody who understands the technology and can do all these things in his/her sleep. That leaves you to worry about the music and not have to mess about with word processors that are trying to do the job of work stations.
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1. It would help your situation if you would post exactly what sort of computer and software you are using. It sounds as if your a cobbling together some sort of collection of unsuitable bits of software on a weak or inappropriate system.
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2. I wish I had ten dollars for every case I have experienced like yours. The system vendors are all gung-ho to sell you one package, then another and then another, but nobody that I have ever come across will sell you a working system. They expect the customer to build the product and then say "Oh, but it's easy!" Not everybody wants to (or can) lock horns and do battle with a PC or a Mac and some rubbish DAW that refuses to integrate MIDI without getting a nose bleed. (They say they do, but they don't!)
I absolutely say I don't. If I'd known what I was getting in for, I would never have started. I am not a computer person and I am not an engineer or software developer - I'm sure that's a big part of the problem. I'm just a musician who got sucked in big time. I'm not an idiot though. I'm university educated at a masters level, and I still can't sort this damn thing out.

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3. As JoeQ says, 'Print your tracks!' In other words, write a MIDI part for, say, strings and turn them into WAV files and put them into a track on your DAW. Then go back and write the horns, print them as WAVs and move on. I recommend Reaper as your final editing and mixing platform for the WAVs, but I would not try to use it for MIDI. Use whatever you are using, but don't expect what is in reality a jumped-up word processor to be able to render out all those samples in huge numbers on the fly.
Now that would be great if I could get an actual WAV that doesn't crack and pop. I've spent most of the last 10 years doing work arounds just like this, but I can't even get a clean export now so no hope.

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4. In in doubt, work with somebody who understands the technology and can do all these things in his/her sleep. That leaves you to worry about the music and not have to mess about with word processors that are trying to do the job of work stations.
Anyone know anybody like this. I've never found anyone that truly knows how to build these systems, and believe me, I've tried-and wasted a lot more of money doing so. It would be the obvious answer for someone like me who hates computers!
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Snap, Crackle and Pop! It sounds as if you are doing something fundamentally wrong. This could be a timing issue, it could be speed of access to files by the sampling software (e.g. external hard drive via slow connection). It could be the output levels being too high and rendered files going beyond 0dB. It could be a faulty soundcard. It could be the DAW software is crap.

The core PC is definitely powerful enough!
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Snap, Crackle and Pop! It sounds as if you are doing something fundamentally wrong. This could be a timing issue, it could be speed of access to files by the sampling software (e.g. external hard drive via slow connection). It could be the output levels being too high and rendered files going beyond 0dB. It could be a faulty soundcard. It could be the DAW software is crap.

The core PC is definitely powerful enough!
Yep, could be all of those things, but it's not cause it only happened after software upgrade. Nothing else has changed and yes, the PC is certainly big enough and she's a lean, well oiled machine - nothing else on her. Seriously, I've been through it all before. It's always the software. It's always some update or upgrade that causes it, and eventually a new update comes out and fixes it. My big problem is I know this, I understand this, but I have nothing left in me to sort it out anymore, and I just want to make music.
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What software is the culprit?
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What software is the culprit?
Symphonic orch Gold to Platinum. I also put on Spaces and Silk, but it seems to be the mic positions on platinum doing something with the mic positions on the EW pianos I already had installed. To be fair, EW are attempting to find a solution, but it's extremely slow, and seems they have very few tech support. I went with their products not only because of the wonderful quality, but because they were the best of a bad bunch.
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pops are almost always clock issues

all your devices have to be on the same clock

describe your digital ins and outs
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pops are almost always clock issues

all your devices have to be on the same clock

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all devices r on same clock as they were b4 the upgrade. Remember the system was flawless b4 the upgrade. Can an update change the clock speed?
Just to b clear, when i have fixed these problems in the past, its normally been to do with things like where the new software has put things like the. dll files.
Also, I guess my big concern here that i havent voiced is that i can buggar around with these damn computers one more time only to find i got a better sound from getting a pro studio to do the job. In the end, im not doing all this to produce crap. I want a professional sound. Thats what this is all about 4 me. Many people want the cd in their hand to sell etc. For me, its about that perfect sound playing around in my head. I just have to have it.
When it comes to instrumentation, effects etc, the computer wins hands down.
B4 this happened, i was finally happy enough to get 1 piece out 4 mastering. I spoke to 1 of our larger companies here & they really didnt seem to understand the whole sampled music thing at all. Just going this step was a nightmare that left me wondering again- why dont i just walk into a studio & let them handle these problems.
In the end though, its all about the sound & i just dont know anymore where to waste my time, money and energy.
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all devices r on same clock as they were b4 the upgrade. Remember the system was flawless b4 the upgrade. Can an update change the clock speed?
Just to b clear, when i have fixed these problems in the past, its normally been to do with things like where the new software has put things like the. dll files.
Also, I guess my big concern here that i havent voiced is that i can buggar around with these damn computers one more time only to find i got a better sound from getting a pro studio to do the job. In the end, im not doing all this to produce crap. I want a professional sound. Thats what this is all about 4 me. Many people want the cd in their hand to sell etc. For me, its about that perfect sound playing around in my head. I just have to have it.
When it comes to instrumentation, effects etc, the computer wins hands down.
B4 this happened, i was just about to finish 1 piece to the standard i would b happy to get mastered, and hence started enquiring about the process. I spoke to 1 of our larger companies here & they really didnt seem to understand the whole sampled music thing at all, let alone want to master it. Just going this step was a nightmare that left me wondering again- why dont i just walk into a studio & let them handle these problems?
But i've had friends record at some big name studios only to come out and overlay sampled instruments because they weren't happy with the quality.
Like i said, its all about the sound & i just dont know anymore where to waste my time, money and energy.
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all devices r on same clock as they were b4 the upgrade. Remember the system was flawless b4 the upgrade. Can an update change the clock speed?
an update can certainly change your preferences settings in the software. The thing that tells it what you are using as your clock source. So if you are set to 'external' but using the internal.... or set to 48k but receiving 44.1

I don't know your system, so I can't be specific, but in general pops and clicks are almost always clocking issues. The other day I was getting some mysterious pops. It turned out I opened a session from another studio where I had used a digital reverb in an SPDIF loop. There was something else connected to the SPDIF in this other place and the mismatch caused pops. My reverb return was bringing in pops and clicks instead of reverberated sound because there was the wrong SPDIF box connected to that loop.


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Just to b clear, when i have fixed these problems in the past, its normally been to do with things like where the new software has put things like the. dll files.
That does not seem right to me. You might want to pay someone who knows 'what is what' to do your initial setup. And then don't touch it.

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Also, I guess my big concern here that i havent voiced is that i can buggar around with these damn computers one more time only to find i got a better sound from getting a pro studio to do the job. In the end, im not doing all this to produce crap. I want a professional sound.
as an Engineer in the old-school sense of a guy who works in studios and records other people who come in, I am among the first to say, "bring it in" to a REAL studio. Recording yourself is a dream come true for some musicians and a nightmare of drudgery for others.

There is NOTHING about being a musician or composer that automatically puts the technological aspects of Recording into your wheelhouse. In fact, one can make a very good case for the idea that time spent learning and doing technical jobs takes away from time spent working on your playing composing writing and arranging chops. On music.

On average, Specialists tend to go farther in this modern world. There are exceptions, and unfortunately everyone thinks the are that exception.

A lot of people think they are on the way to being Renaissance Men, when they are actually only becoming Jacks-of-All-Trades. There are only so many hours in a week! Bring it to a guy who is as good at recording as you are at being a musician. These guys have recorded hundreds, thousands of different musicians and groups. You have only ever recorded yourself.

They say the guy who is his own lawyer has a "fool for a client". In a similar way a musician who is his own engineer often has a technically inept, inexperienced engineer mixing his tracks.



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In the end though, its all about the sound & i just dont know anymore where to waste my time, money and energy.
When you say better sound, do you mean using REAL instruments in the studio vs keyboards at home? Do you have a violinist play the violin part in the studio and use a sample at home? Or are you just talking about the studio having 'better samples' and the studio engineers doing better mixing?


As I said, I strongly encourage all musicians to focus on music and let a professional do the recording unless they really feel The Calling to do their own sound.

But at the same time, I have to say, your computer issues all sound like Operator Error to me, and should be easy for a professional to sort out. Plenty of others are comfortably chugging along doing Exactly the kind of recording you are describing but without the problems you are describing. There are plenty of consultant type guys who set up your rig for you. I do this type of consulting myself with Macs and Pro Tools.

The pros are there ready to be hired, either to sort out your home rig, or record you in their studio or both. There is no reason on earth why you should:
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an update can certainly change your preferences settings in the software. The thing that tells it what you are using as your clock source. So if you are set to 'external' but using the internal.... or set to 48k but receiving 44.1
Thank you,I didn't know this. I will check it when I get home,but it still doesn't explain why just my pianos are the problem. All my other EW programs are fine, export and play without clicks, but as soon as I put the piano in the mix-the clicks start up on playback and export.

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I don't know your system, so I can't be specific, but in general pops and clicks are almost always clocking issues. The other day I was getting some mysterious pops. It turned out I opened a session from another studio where I had used a digital reverb in an SPDIF loop. There was something else connected to the SPDIF in this other place and the mismatch caused pops. My reverb return was bringing in pops and clicks instead of reverberated sound because there was the wrong SPDIF box connected to that loop.
Ill bear this in mind, but as I have nothing else on the system and absolutely avoid adding anything to it for these very reasons, I don't think this is my prob.

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That does not seem right to me. You might want to pay someone who knows 'what is what' to do your initial setup. And then don't touch it.
As said, I've done this in the past only to have them take my money and walk out the door and leave me with a system that has more problems. If there is actually anyone who runs an orchestral system that would be great, but the only people I've found are just doing basic shop sales come band or hip hop stuff. I originally thought this was fine as the album has a trance type feel to it anyway, but the setups for orchestral seem to be very specific. So I tried ringing the local bigger studios and even the unis/conservatoriums to find someone running film and tv stuff, but they just laugh at me. I'm just the little guy nobody wants to know about.

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as an Engineer in the old-school sense of a guy who works in studios and records other people who come in, I am among the first to say, "bring it in" to a REAL studio. Recording yourself is a dream come true for some musicians and a nightmare of drudgery for others.

There is NOTHING about being a musician or composer that automatically puts the technological aspects of Recording into your wheelhouse. In fact, one can make a very good case for the idea that time spent learning and doing technical jobs takes away from time spent working on your playing composing writing and arranging chops. On music.

On average, Specialists tend to go farther in this modern world. There are exceptions, and unfortunately everyone thinks the are that exception.

A lot of people think they are on the way to being Renaissance Men, when they are actually only becoming Jacks-of-All-Trades. There are only so many hours in a week! Bring it to a guy who is as good at recording as you are at being a musician. These guys have recorded hundreds, thousands of different musicians and groups. You have only ever recorded yourself.

They say the guy who is his own lawyer has a "fool for a client". In a similar way a musician who is his own engineer often has a technically inept, inexperienced engineer mixing his tracks.
Yes, I like your arguments and these are certainly the ones that continue to toss around in my head too, but in the end, I'm never going to be able to afford the sound I get on my computer. I priced up the full orchestral version with the local film and tv studio a few years back and would have had to remortgage my house-seriously. So I've cut it back to string quartet, 3 guitars, 2 keyboards and all fx/drums on backing track (uggh I hate the thought of live perf with a backing track, but can't get these sounds live and at least these instruments are exporting ok) and the budget is still big. Not to mention the time taken to score and practice all this adds another year to what should have been a 1 year project. And after all that, I still remember my friend who walked out of a major studio using a major orchestra and went straight back home and laid samples over the top of the recordings because they sounded better.
I'm not saying that he orch/recording/studio was the problem here btw-far be it for me to make that judgement! What I'm saying is that once you've worked in a sampled environment, the possibilities for creative sound work are so great, that the chances of reproducing it live are at best, extremely difficult and costly at worst, secondary.

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When you say better sound, do you mean using REAL instruments in the studio vs keyboards at home? Do you have a violinist play the violin part in the studio and use a sample at home? Or are you just talking about the studio having 'better samples' and the studio engineers doing better mixing?
Both. The problem here is that if I were programming complex violin runs say, I would def give it to the violinist and get the studio with the experts in sound prodn to record it. However, my album is largely piano, and I'm a fair level pianist and therefore play/program piano well. My string parts, even the solos, I've also worked hard on getting a well programmed sound-to the degree that most of my fairly well trained musical friends can't tell the difference. Hence, if I were to go to a studio, getting a better performance is not the issue. What I may get is better sound prodn. However, I use EW products for which the sound prod'n to my humble ears is pretty good to start with. I was then hoping to pay a mastering and possibly mix engineer (EW mixed in the box so was hoping to save in mixing if poss) to polish up the final product. My hope was that I'd get a better final product by just being a composer, saving time and stress on the practice/scoring bit, pay the professionals to mix/master and viola, rest of budget for marketing and production. Now if only I knew for sure the computer version would be better, and if only I could get a stable system to work on, I'd keep buggaring around with the damn computers and I'd never have to leave my bedroom

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But at the same time, I have to say, your computer issues all sound like Operator Error to me, and should be easy for a professional to sort out. Plenty of others are comfortably chugging along doing Exactly the kind of recording you are describing but without the problems you are describing. There are plenty of consultant type guys who set up your rig for you. I do this type of consulting myself with Macs and Pro Tools
Yes, as I said, this would be the obvious answer - if only I could find someone who would do cubase on a pc (and no, I don't want to convert to a mac or pro tools!)
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I can understand the frustration of the OP. To be honest though, I can remember fixing soundcard issues on a pc (circa 1996) using command lines in DOS. I am sure many on here can remember the same.

It all seems so simple nowadays actually. Everything seems to work, but as usual, I need more power.

There is tons of great info on these boards for running and maintaining all these cool toys we make music with. I have gotten so much help reading here.
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Thank you,I didn't know this. I will check it when I get home,but it still doesn't explain why just my pianos are the problem. All my other EW programs are fine, export and play without clicks, but as soon as I put the piano in the mix-the clicks start up on playback and export.
you should post your specifics in forums where you are more likely to find people with the exact expertise you need, or who have faced the same issue.

Usually when I face a software issue, I can locate other instances of that same issue with a search. Usually I don't even have to start a new topic. Many times the solution is there in that same thread, other times at least some useful hits are around.

The computer music forum on GS is good, but what about the forum on the Cubase site? And surely there must be a forum on the EW site as well. you might even find others with your exact same problem, clicks on the pianos only.

There are people, some of them online, who sell "turnkey" systems. If you are having bad luck with so-called 'consultants', you might save money in the long run buying a previously configured, pre-loaded, tested machine.

check out link> these guys <link

I don't know them at all, I am not recommending them necessarily, but they are an example of what I am talking about. They seem to offer a fully configured machine, separate drives for audio, OS and samples, Optimized Windows and installed E-W libraries and so on. Not cheap, I am sure, but perhaps cheaper than the delays and frustration you are experiencing.

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(and no, I don't want to convert to a mac or pro tools!)
you really shouldn't have to switch anything even your piano software. unless these specific complaints continually crop up for others with your same configuration. At that point you will have to switch something, be it plug-in, DAW or platform.
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The computer music forum on GS is good, but what about the forum on the Cubase site? And surely there must be a forum on the EW site as well. you might even find others with your exact same problem, clicks on the pianos only.
Haven't been on cubase forums for years - got sick of 16 yr olds with crack cubases making ridiculous comments. EW forum has lots of people with my issues, but EW continue to deny there are lots of people with my issues.

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There are people, some of them online, who sell "turnkey" systems. If you are having bad luck with so-called 'consultants', you might save money in the long run buying a previously configured, pre-loaded, tested machine.

check out link> these guys <link

I don't know them at all, I am not recommending them necessarily, but they are an example of what I am talking about. They seem to offer a fully configured machine, separate drives for audio, OS and samples, Optimized Windows and installed E-W libraries and so on. Not cheap, I am sure, but perhaps cheaper than the delays and frustration you are experiencing.
You may have just saved my life! I can not believe I didn't think of this. I saw these systems come out years ago, but they were very expensive, and people continually complained about a lack of back up service, which kind of defeated the purpose. However, these guys look like they have a remote assistance situation now that could be the very answer to my woes. Has anyone here used them or similar? I'm off to search but does anyone know off hand if there are any in Australia?


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you really shouldn't have to switch anything even your piano software. unless these specific complaints continually crop up for others with your same configuration. At that point you will have to switch something, be it plug-in, DAW or platform.
It's so enlightening to hear this. I'm so tired of being told all my problems come from not having a mac or pro tools - like I need to spend another 10 yrs learning a whole new system. Thank you so much for listening and trying to find solutions for me instead of condemning me because I'm the little guy who just wants to make music.
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A vital piece of software you could use is called Vienna Ensemble Pro. It is simply a networking program and VST host and allows you to use one computer for your digital audio workstation and another for your virtual instruments. Alos, considering you are using east west instruments, it may pay to have a look around their forums, specifically at the computer they use to test products (it is posted on the forum) and base your build around similar parts. You could always buy a couple mac mini's and use the Vienna Ensemble software though if you would rather not risk building an incompatible computer.
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Can you go into more detail?

Are you running the fireface into the onboard firewire port? Is it a Texas instrument chip(Go into control panel>Device Manager>IEEE 1394 it should say what brand chip/driver)?

What is the model of your Motherboard?

I forgot that the fireface has both USB and Firewire. Try the Fireface on USB if you havent already.

Windows 7 and Intel Sandybridge systems are a fickle beast when it comes to Firewire and PCI soundcards. Use USB where possible.
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Can you go into more detail?

Are you running the fireface into the onboard firewire port? Is it a Texas instrument chip(Go into control panel>Device Manager>IEEE 1394 it should say what brand chip/driver)?
Running usb. IFEE 1394 in device manager shows a small yellow "i" and if i click on it, it says "this device cannot start (code 10)". Dont know what this means?

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No idea-where do i find out?
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Running usb. IFEE 1394 in device manager shows a small yellow "i" and if i click on it, it says "this device cannot start (code 10)". Dont know what this means?
That would probably mean that your computer has a firewire port, but the drivers are not installed. Not to worry though!

You are running your RME fireface with USB which is fine.

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No idea-where do i find out?
I wouldnt worry about it. It would only be of interest if you were running the RME fireface with the firewire connection.

Anyway, lets get back to business.

have you tried any system optimisations for Windows 7 for DAW use?

For example, do you run anti-virus software? Have you tried your WAV exports with anti-virus disabled? Do you run a USB wireless card for your Internet connection? If so, try and disable this(just unplug it completely) and see how your WAV exports go.

There are further optimisation things we can try that delve deeper into the system BIOS, but lets try these simple things first.
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have you tried any system optimisations for Windows 7 for DAW use?
No, remember I'm a musician and I hate computers so be gentle! I'll see if I can follow you.....

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For example, do you run anti-virus software? Have you tried your E]WAV exports with anti-virus disabled? Do you run a USB wireless card for your Internet connection? If so, try and disable this(just unplug it completely) and see how your WAV exports go.
Ok, so no and no.

The system was originally set up by a computer tech for video/games. It was running like a dream before the upgrade to platinum so I was assuming he did the job well. However, he is not an audio or software person so haven't taken it back to him.

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There are further optimisation things we can try that delve deeper into the system BIOS, but lets try these simple things first.
Simple is good!
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Ok, so no and no.

The system was originally set up by a computer tech for video/games. It was running like a dream before the upgrade to platinum so I was assuming he did the job well. However, he is not an audio or software person so haven't taken it back to him.
I see, so it was the upgrade from Gold to platinum version of the vsti you use.

I should have read more of the thread

So what you have gathered is that there is a new mic placement feature in the planium version that is making the paino VSTi pop and click?

Running a higher latency will allow your computer to buffer more audio information which may get rid of the pops and clicks

Have you tried different latency settings? Would your workflow allow you to use a higher latency? Are you running your sessions at 44.1?
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So what you have gathered is that there is a new mic placement feature in the planium version that is making the paino VSTi pop and click?
Well I'm assuming so. To be fair, I actually put EWQL Silk and EWQL Spaces on too, but Silk is running flawlessly, and I took Spaces back off just in case. The Pianos and Platinum are the only programs that have the close/player/room mics and when I load them up, the clicks get progressively worse, whereas if I leave them just on the default, which is the player mics, the clicks are less. Hence, I'm assuming it is something to do with the mic positions.


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Have you tried different latency settings? Would your workflow allow you to use a higher latency? Are you running your sessions at 44.1?
Now this one I know as I've done the latency test thing ad nauseum. In the early days, the specs EW gave for running their programs really were very conservative to say the least, esp on RAM. Hence, myself and many others who had repeated click issues ran lots of tests to configure the latencies on our machines. Mine always ran best around 1024. Now however, I have heaps of RAM in reserve as I'm used to being a minimilist in workflow just in case, and this machine has 16 G. At most, it's using 5-6, and the perf meter never peaks beyond 10-20%. Despite this though, I did play around with the latency and got nowhere.

Oh, and yes to the 44.1too.
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Running usb. IFEE 1394 in device manager shows a small yellow "i" and if i click on it, it says "this device cannot start (code 10)". Dont know what this means?



No idea-where do i find out?
You will find way more info in the RME database from their site. Here is a good link to start.

RME User Forum / Installation of RME Audio Interfaces under Win 7/8 (english/german)

Also, if you are using drivers from your motherboard maker, switch to microsoft drivers for Firewire.
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