waves plugins suck

[Howie J]

A fool and his money are easily parted.

With that said...I have read some favorable reviews on a couple of the "name" bundles. But, I do agree with the One Knob thing. WTH?? That's a trick we do in the studio to placate nosy producers. I own the platinum bundle and love to use the variety of plugs it offers. A one trick pony might work in a pinch, but I like to have a little more control over things.

(This should probably move to the Moan Zone)

[psycho_monkey]

Another quality nznexus thread...

[WunderBro Flo]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Another quality nznexus thread...

haha, spot on.

[botulus]

there's a new breed out there: some people want to spend their time learning their craft, to learn how how use equipment over the course of many years to achieve a professional result; others just want to slap something on, tweak a few buttons and have something that's ok; waves provide options for both.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by nznexus

I have been using waves since 2005. Then back then there were no CLA, JJP, And eddie kramer plugins availabla. You had to set up ur own mixing chain..

so i am wondering what you think of these latest plugins from waves, especially the chris lord alge type plugins. They are made of simple sliders with names like magic, space, attack, attitude and so on..

I dont get how anything like this can be useful for a producer. I like to set up my own chain of waves plugin.. then last year waves released ONE KNOB series of plugins. you have one knob (phatter, louder, wetter, pressure) and you just turn it up and your vocals get bigger, or brighter...

i mean what is this? This is for lazy people! how will you learn mixing if there will be plugins like this... i dont get it. you want that Cla sound? Smack a CLA vocals and ur done... use ready presets...

UAD dont do this.. neither does powercore.. only waves. i am wrong?

You're making the assumption...that everyone who buys waves wants to mix.

Some couldn't give a sh1t about mixing, and just want to demo their songs for others to record/mix/produce etc. For them - the quick fix is all that's needed.

[Sir Chris]

Yeah it seems to me that those plugins are geared towards a different market.

Kinda how Fender makes $2k Strats but also has the Squire line as a more affordable/entry level guitar for beginners. Those plugins seem to be ideal for the kid learning to use Garage Band and wanting to get deeper into it.


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[Rockinrob]

This is obviously a marketing strategy for those less versed in the art of mixing and recording. Not only that, but I have seen that some well known mixers (Dave Pensado) claim to actually use the signature plug ins, that and I think that there are many mixers who would rather not share their exact signal chain and settings with the public. Some, I think, would rather not give that information away because they feel it is their bread and butter. IMHO.

[Duardo]

Yeah, they're certainly not for everyone...but since I have them in my bundle, on occasion when I've wanted to throw up a quick rough mix I've used various preset-type plugins, and the results have actually been pretty good with a little minor tweaking.

[dxavier]

Originally Posted by Ian_Dowling

Most people are lazy my friend and that's why most of the newbie engineers and most of engineers suck, only the ones who work really hard make mixes that really shine. This is also why those companies target the lazy people who think that they will just trap something , click on a preset and make a great mix .... BS

Although those CLA stuff might sound gimmicky and that most of the time they don't really work , but on some materials they work, and really well

If you think that you just have to put the CLA on the vocals and think they will sound like a super amazing vocal ... you are dreaming my friend Sorry for bursting your bubble

I think your statement is very poor. I don't think it is people being lazy at all and most Newbie engineers don't suck. If a newbie learns from someone who has been in the business for a long time or if they go to a suitable course, why would they suck? You must have new engineers learning in your studio. Do they suck? I don't think the engineers learning from me suck at all.

This is absolutely nothing to do with newbie engineers and everything to do with producers or artists who now want to do it all by themselves and think they can save a penny or two, by leaving out an engineer. Tools like this appeal to them.

No new engineer I have spoken to, likes the idea of these tools. They want to get their hands on a console, not a one stop shop plugin. However, many new artists I have met, talk to me about mixing and mastering themselves on their laptops on their beats headphones and they are using tools like this. They want to control the whole process themselves and to spend very little, but again, this is nothing to do with engineers.

[jordanvoth]

I don't mind them. I don't use them but sometimes I'll grab one out of boredom. I still prefer to use the SSL strip for everything. The CLA bass has some great distortion modes that my Sansamp plug and hardware won't produce. The spank compression on the snare is kinda cool but a little extreme for my tastes. I'd rather to Maxbass or Rbass on an aux for the deep lowend on the kick and bass guitar than the CLA plug. The OneKnobs are cool, if I need something fat, wet, bright or whatever I will reach for them, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. I wouldn't call them noob tools. You could say the same things about LA2A's with just two knobs. Knowing how to use the units to produce a good sound whether it has one knob or 500 knobs is the important part.

[nznexus]

Originally Posted by Ian_Dowling

Most people are lazy my friend and that's why most of the newbie engineers and most of engineers suck, only the ones who work really hard make mixes that really shine. This is also why those companies target the lazy people who think that they will just trap something , click on a preset and make a great mix .... BS

Although those CLA stuff might sound gimmicky and that most of the time they don't really work , but on some materials they work, and really well

If you think that you just have to put the CLA on the vocals and think they will sound like a super amazing vocal ... you are dreaming my friend Sorry for bursting your bubble

nice post. but yeah.. i dont get how anyone could benefit from using ready to go eddi kramer or maserati plugins... they also dont sound to good actually.

but i must admit i like CLA effects plugin.. its prtty good. but when it comes to mixing the drums, vocals and bass i think i will stay away from such plugins

[nznexus]

Originally Posted by jordanvoth

I don't mind them. I don't use them but sometimes I'll grab one out of boredom. I still prefer to use the SSL strip for everything. The CLA bass has some great distortion modes that my Sansamp plug and hardware won't produce. The spank compression on the snare is kinda cool but a little extreme for my tastes. I'd rather to Maxbass or Rbass on an aux for the deep lowend on the kick and bass guitar than the CLA plug. The OneKnobs are cool, if I need something fat, wet, bright or whatever I will reach for them, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. I wouldn't call them noob tools. You could say the same things about LA2A's with just two knobs. Knowing how to use the units to produce a good sound whether it has one knob or 500 knobs is the important part.

isnt the ONE KNOB stuff like the sausage fattener?

[mrfortune]

Yeah I'd rather make tunes then spend time with effects and mixing so certain plugs are great for on the fly results which can always be changed and altered later.

[MattHiHat]

I agree that these are plugins that are mainly targeting consumers who are getting more into mixing. Entry-level, but sometimes they work great on things!

But I honestly think the CLA stuff is really good. I don't know why, but I like em.

Anyway, the game is changing. Plugins are getting easier to use. More people can afford them. And I honestly think that young producer/engineers are getting really really good mixes today.

You don't have to know the principles of quantum physics to mix. You don't have to know programming or electronics in order to use mixing tools. And soon my dear friends - you don't need to know what a reverb or a VCA compressor is (over-statement). Someday, high quality, user friendly plugins will make it easier to create great mixes.

I'm over exaggareting a bit, but I think it's getting easier to mix. Hope you get me right.

Don't get me wrong, I think myself that it is very important to know how the signal chains work and what all compononents do to the audio. I even got a degree in audio/music production.

But the game is changing, things are getting easier. A LOT of extremely good sounding mixes are coming alive with people using Waves plugs.
I honestly don't care what or how you use it. As long as it sounds good.

[nznexus]

i just like to tweak and turn knobs more and adjust everything in a plugin then just use one plugin for a vocal for example...

but i think that the good about plugins like this is you dont need big chain of plugins and it saves some resources on your computer...


the same with izotope alloy2 and ezmix 2.. they are made mostly of presets..

i dont know i dont say its wrong to use presets...

and when i wrote waves plugin sucks i didnt mean all of them... just some of em

[jordanvoth]

Vintage plugins verse new ones?

[janjaal]

i personally never thought any waves plugins expect renaissance are worth ed

[terr0rgasm]

Originally Posted by nznexus

isnt the ONE KNOB stuff like the sausage fattener?

I knew a girl with that nickname.

[slackstallion]

[soundfx]

Yeah, having the whole bundle, the Maserati and Kramer plugs are MEH. but I often have to write and turn out mixes very quickly in a post production environment, and the CLA plug-ins can come in handy. Not for everything of course, but in the right hands, that particular set is quite useful.

[FLYINGJAY]

I'm not crazy about waves vintage emulations in comparison to the uad pickins.

But if you use your ears to mix,waves can get the job done like any other plugin.

I have my go to Plugins on my 2 buss that will shape the overall mix.

I don't think waves is hindrance to workflow.

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[terr0rgasm]

I dont use the preset plugins very much regarding my real instruments, since I usually strive for as vintage and analog of a feel as possible. Hpwever, I am producing a pop/dance/garage group with a drum machine, and since CLA is a pop producer, I assumed his plugins would be somewhat voiced for slick pop music, so I used the Drum Channel on the Drum machine DI track, and I like how the comp and EQ glossed it over nicely. I wouldnt use it for everything, but EVERYTHING has a use and place as far as I am concerned.

As far as the artist series goes, I do love the Kramer Master Tape, HLS and PIE quite a bit!

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Ian_Dowling

IGive me any example of any EXTREMELY GOOD SOUNDING young producer/mixing enginer please ?? I am really curious

Don't know how young is young, but I'll go with "younger than Spike/Cenzo/The LAs/Tchad etc!"

In the UK at least:

Charlie Hugall (Florence/Delilah/Ed Sheeran/Lucy Rose)
Mike Crossey (Razorlight/Arctic Monkeys/Ben Howard/Blood Red Shoes) - I hope Mike counts as young, he's my age!
Lexxx (Black Kids/Everything Everything/Wild Beasts/Esser/Crystal Castles)
Dan Grech (Vaccines, I think he did some of the Lana Del Rey mixes as well)
Max Dingel (White Lies/loads of other stuff).
Rob Orton (Gaga)

There's a whole load of other guys doing great work, who haven't (yet) had their "break" - I could list a whole load of friends/colleagues, but that would be kind of pointless. I've even done the odd thing myself that gets fairly good comments....

Not that I'm saying any of these guys use the Waves plugins referred to of course. On odd occasions, maybe - if something works, why change it? The trick is to know how to get things in other ways - if I'm great at getting one sound with a plugin, but can't get a different sound if requested, I'm not much of a mix engineer. but like i said, one knob and "sig series" plugs aren't really aimed at the guys who do know what they're doing - they're aimed at the guys who need an acceptable result quickly.

[chronmaster]

If it sounds good...

[Joe Haze]

Most people are lazy my friend and that's why most of the newbie engineers and most of engineers suck, only the ones who work really hard make mixes that really shine. This is also why those companies target the lazy people who think that they will just trap something , click on a preset and make a great mix .... BS

[Dan Newman]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Another quality nznexus thread...

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[Atak]

Originally Posted by nznexus

I have been using waves since 2005. Then back then there were no CLA, JJP, And eddie kramer plugins availabla. You had to set up ur own mixing chain..

so i am wondering what you think of these latest plugins from waves, especially the chris lord alge type plugins. They are made of simple sliders with names like magic, space, attack, attitude and so on..

I dont get how anything like this can be useful for a producer. I like to set up my own chain of waves plugin.. then last year waves released ONE KNOB series of plugins. you have one knob (phatter, louder, wetter, pressure) and you just turn it up and your vocals get bigger, or brighter...

i mean what is this? This is for lazy people! how will you learn mixing if there will be plugins like this... i dont get it. you want that Cla sound? Smack a CLA vocals and ur done... use ready presets...

UAD dont do this.. neither does powercore.. only waves. i am wrong?

Funny thing we all have cell phones which teaches you how to forget phone numbers yet remeber only the names. It's the result of technology giving and at the sametime taking a way just as much.

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[cuckoo.old]

You know I'm really disappointed that I can't get hired by a major studio even though I put all my music through the 'soundgoodizer' plug in Fruity Loops.

Bah, should be sued for misleading advertising!

[nznexus]

waves plugin. a joke. a true joke

it is made for noobs! real noobs! real engineers dont use preset...

especially the One Knob plugins.. its horrible