2nd November 2012
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#31 | | Lives for gear
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don't know about noobs or presets, nor am I a huge Waves fan or anything like it, but if I could account for which plugin made me the most money, Waves X-noise sits right there at the top.
If you buy CLA plugins expecting to have CLA mixes, does that make Waves a joke or does that make you a joke?
If you don't like them, don't buy them. That's what demos are for.
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2nd November 2012
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#32 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2011 Location: Norway
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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey  Another quality nznexus thread... |  | |
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2nd November 2012
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#33 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by nznexus waves plugin. a joke. a true joke
it is made for noobs! real noobs! real engineers dont use preset...
especially the One Knob plugins.. its horrible  | Dude, what's your age?
One knob plugins are for non-engineers. "Real" engineers have fun or learn others preferences by studying presets from other engineers. Everybody can choose what they use, no pro must use one knob plugins. There is nothing horrible anywhere except for a fairly young guy (my guess) who desperately wants to belong to a group of professionals so he points his finger at "horrible, unprofessional" things...
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3rd November 2012
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#34 | | Would-Be-Teaboy
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I don't know wether this less or more funny than the people who tell us that pro's ALWAYS use Wave's plugins.
Maybe it's a little more complicated than what's being said? Maybe celebrity and "professionality" are nonsense concepts. What's the difference between innovator and unprofessional other than one gets in MixMagXYZ and one doesn't?
A cheery aside, it's my 555th post! 
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3rd November 2012
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#35 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by nznexus waves plugin. a joke. a true joke
it is made for noobs! real noobs! real engineers dont use preset...
especially the One Knob plugins.. its horrible | If you used those ONE KNOB waves plugs on this mash-up you did 2 weeks ago of a Taylor Swift song, you could clean it up and make it - who knows - maybe good.
Posting terrible sounding remakes/mixes in your signature together with statements like "Waves plug-ins sucks" makes you come across as a total newcomer here.
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4th November 2012
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#36 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
Joined: Oct 2010 Location: stockholm
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Originally Posted by Heyclown makes you come across as a total newcomer here.
But I guess that´s what you are | .
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4th November 2012
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#37 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2011 Location: Norway
Posts: 504
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Originally Posted by nznexus . | | |
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4th November 2012
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#38 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by Heyclown | Okay. :(
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4th November 2012
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#39 | | Would-Be-Teaboy
Joined: Oct 2011 Location: Ireland
Posts: 879
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Originally Posted by nznexus I'm just really upset at how disrespectful producers can be sometimes. | For the record, I'm not attacking you personaly, I'm attacking the idea that stands behind some of marketing that pushes these products. You'll actually get really good all on your own trusting your guts and doing it. Do thinks your told not to. Use your tom mics as your overheads, stick the piano through a guitar amp. Sidechain your delays to your reverb. You'll figure it out fast if they don't work.
There's nothing wrong with the Wave's stuff. If you don't like it, that's fine - that's something you've learned. Try something else, we have a free plugin-thread. That said, try them again at a later stage. Don't be afraid to be wrong.
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4th November 2012
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#40 | | Gear nut
Joined: Aug 2007 Location: belgium
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Cla series are quite good in fact.
I sometimes use them with just one slider active, like the widener on cla vocals or distortion on cla bass.
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4th November 2012
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#41 | | Gear maniac
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The LA2A is a one knob yet people don't seem to mind - whatever floats your boat.
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7th November 2012
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#42 | | Gear addict
Joined: Aug 2012 Location: Miami, FL.
Posts: 397
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Originally Posted by Heyclown | Wtf does mean?
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7th November 2012
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#43 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2011 Location: Norway
Posts: 504
| Let me google that for you
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7th November 2012
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#44 | | Lives for gear
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I've never tried out the OneKnob series but hey if they work why the heck not?
+1 on the Chris Lord-Alge Signature bundle...it's crazy how good those can sound sometimes for a quick mix.
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9th November 2012
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#45 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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They seem to be aimed at users who don't understand how traditional plugins work, instead facilitating general simple controls to adjust the result rather than the actuall underlying settings. The plugins are basically a collection of one-knob adjustments (typically tweaking compression, eq, delay etc.) It's a great idea! But...IT SUCKS!!!!!!!
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9th November 2012
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#46 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Originally Posted by BOP The LA2A is a one knob yet people don't seem to mind - whatever floats your boat. | no it isn't.
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9th November 2012
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#47 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Apr 2012
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Originally Posted by nznexus no it isn't. | The unit has two big pots with one controlling the gain that feeds the rest of the circuit so you can think of it as a one knob plugin post fader.
Now some people know what is going on as they turn those pots and some don't.
In the same sense it is really presumptuous to assume that everyone who uses a minimal interface type of plugin has no idea what is actually happening to the signal.
You are not being more of a "real engineer" by twiddling more knobs and that concept is only really a concern for people with identity issues anyway.
Who cares what the control scheme is, especially with digital?
It's just a gui mate, there are no pots or switches there!
The LA2A is a good example in my opinion because control wise it is very minimal and that is arguably a big reason for it's popularity - even UA themselves mentioned ease of use as probably the biggest factor in the units success.
It's all tools mate, all tools...
I would actually be more impressed by someone delivering the same result with some silly one knob from waves than by the other guy who gives me the same after turning a million of virtual pots.
Hell, give me a plugin that just goes on and off and still delivers the goods - that would be some good plugin design!
Are we really so insecure about the length of that great phallus in the sky that we need to elongate it by way of plugin choices?
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9th November 2012
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#48 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 925
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Originally Posted by BOP The unit has two big pots with one controlling the gain that feeds the rest of the circuit so you can think of it as a one knob plugin post fader.
Now some people know what is going on as they turn those pots and some don't.
In the same sense it is really presumptuous to assume that everyone who uses a minimal interface type of plugin has no idea what is actually happening to the signal.
You are not being more of a "real engineer" by twiddling more knobs and that concept is only really a concern for people with identity issues anyway.
Who cares what the control scheme is, especially with digital?
It's just a gui mate, there are no pots or switches there!
The LA2A is a good example in my opinion because control wise it is very minimal and that is arguably a big reason for it's popularity - even UA themselves mentioned ease of use as probably the biggest factor in the units success.
It's all tools mate, all tools...
I would actually be more impressed by someone delivering the same result with some silly one knob from waves than by the other guy who gives me the same after turning a million of virtual pots.
Hell, give me a plugin that just goes on and off and still delivers the goods - that would be some good plugin design!
Are we really so insecure about the length of that great phallus in the sky that we need to elongate it by way of plugin choices? | +1!
A fader is kind of like "one knob". It's probably my most used "one knob" because it does this awesome volume thingy ma jingy. Nobody makes fun of me for using faders so why if I use CLA's Signature Series?
If someone brought an Eric Clapton Martin 000 into my studio I would not bemoan them for using a signature series guitar. I bet that thing sounds phenomenal!
Like you said, these are tools. If they make the job easier and make it sound good put your ego aside and mix gosh darn it!
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9th November 2012
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#49 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2011 Location: Norway
Posts: 504
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Originally Posted by nznexus It's a great idea! But...IT SUCKS!!!!!!! | | |
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9th November 2012
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#50 | | Gear maniac
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9th November 2012
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#51 | | Gear nut
Joined: Jun 2012 Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 94
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Originally Posted by BOP | SO AWESOME!!! I love it!
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9th November 2012
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#52 | | Gear nut
Joined: Jun 2012 Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 94
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Originally Posted by doom64 +1!
A fader is kind of like "one knob". It's probably my most used "one knob" because it does this awesome volume thingy ma jingy. Nobody makes fun of me for using faders so why if I use CLA's Signature Series?
If someone brought an Eric Clapton Martin 000 into my studio I would not bemoan them for using a signature series guitar. I bet that thing sounds phenomenal!
Like you said, these are tools. If they make the job easier and make it sound good put your ego aside and mix gosh darn it! | I dont know about you, n00b, but I use like 10 plugins if I want to lower my volume, brah....
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9th November 2012
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#53 | | Gear addict
Joined: Mar 2008
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9th November 2012
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#54 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jul 2011 Location: florida
Posts: 1,342
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Originally Posted by Heyclown If you used those ONE KNOB waves plugs on this mash-up you did 2 weeks ago of a Taylor Swift song, you could clean it up and make it - who knows - maybe good.
Posting terrible sounding remakes/mixes in your signature together with statements like "Waves plug-ins sucks" makes you come across as a total newcomer here.
But I guess that´s what you are | That song is super rough!
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9th November 2012
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#55 | | Gear nut
Joined: Jun 2012 Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 94
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Im a little confused... Reading the first post in this thread, you seem to be bashing the over simplified CLA plugins. Quote:
Originally Posted by nznexus so i am wondering what you think of these latest plugins from waves, especially the chris lord alge type plugins. They are made of simple sliders with names like magic, space, attack, attitude and so on..
i mean what is this? This is for lazy people! how will you learn mixing if there will be plugins like this... i dont get it. you want that Cla sound? Smack a CLA vocals and ur done... use ready presets... | then i saw this in another thread
[QUOTE=nznexus;8265942]
the rest of waves is meh, also CLA plungins are very good along with JJP , which are fantastic.
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Is is the plugins you dont like? Or just presets?
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10th November 2012
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#56 | | Gear addict
Joined: Feb 2007
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I'll state it again. I've been mixing professionally for 15 years. The CLA plugs are amazingly useful. They sound great. Who cares if they only relegate me to 5 or 6 sliders? If you get the sound you want, boom...done. No need to be all fancy with a 5 plug-in chain when ONE accomplishes your goal. Don't be a snob for no reason. I know very well how to put a chain together, but sometimes, the CLA plugs accomplish what I want more efficiently and with more pizzazz. I have no qualms using a CLA plug for a final mix to go on-air.
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15th November 2012
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#57 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2009
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Like the above post by soundfx, plenty of paid professionals use CLA plugins...And lots of waves plugins for that matter. You know why? Because they sound good. Recall is a breeze. They don't care about how they got there, they care about the final product and if sounds good.
Welcome to any business, ever. Time = Money.
By all means though, spend 4 hours making X instrument sound perfect with 40 different plug-in/hardware chains you think up...All while on the clock. Let us know how much money your clients make because of it and how happy they are after you spend that 4 hours extra of their money for a trivial difference.
EDIT: Also, not everyone wants to be the best/most unique. Many people have bills to pay and want a quality product that they can replicate day in, day out, within a time constraint that is realistic to their client's pocket depth.
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17th November 2012
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#58 | | Gear nut
Joined: Aug 2009 Location: Texas
Posts: 126
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For me, I'll go with what sounds best given the limitations of the situation.
Lazy, maybe.
Smart and effective, yes.
Not to mention, you HAVE to use your ears with those plugs.
YOu can't just get all lazy and do the usual 300Hz cut on teh kick you do everytime,.. type shit.
I don't make my own butter either,.. the stuff in the stores is fine.
Evolve.
Put the energy saved into other things that can improve the mix.
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