Apology Posts ... Common with DAW Talk

[Lawrence]

#2 is the cause mostly, opinions.

It's the net and eveybody has one and maybe too many opinions aren't really remotely based on fact, but on emotion or emotional attachment. The net (in general) is a really fantastic source of information, but unfortunately, it's equally as fantastic a source for disinformation.

And that doesn't even account for the purely subjective, that's a whole nother Jerry Springer show.

[Toth]

Sorry for posting apology posts.

[RobFlemingMusic]

I'm sorry too.

[Tui]

[dr_Jezz]

Originally Posted by RobFlemingMusic

Funny ... If you open the many DAW-related threads, you will notice the following trend:

1) User starts a thread (usually well thought out)
2) Folks start to reply with opinions
3) There's usually a few who will say something like "Here we go again! Get your popcorn ready!" Or something along those lines to warn against the inevitable flame throwing that will most surely ensue.
4) If it's a hot thread, the pages of replies mount quickly
5) If you jump from page one to ten, you'll start to see the apologies show up. "I did not mean to offend you. I apologize.", etc.

I'm wondering if there has ever been a DAW-related thread that has remained civil from start to end. DAW talk brings out the prick in many it seems.

Yawn ... oh just **** off you ****er ... this is the billionth ****ing thread and if you'd just null your ****ing **** with a ****ing ****, we'd see that the difference is entirely subjectve. You ****er. Also sorry though ...

Edit: how did prick get through?

[kennyda]

Can I just say, Ableton Live is the best DAW? I dunno why people bother with other kinds. This is just my opinion of course, not that I'm biased in any way.

[Dysanfel]

Originally Posted by kennyda

Can I just say, Ableton Live is the best DAW? I dunno why people bother with other kinds. This is just my opinion of course, not that I'm biased in any way.

Here we go again! Get your popcorn ready!

[Whitecat]

DAWs are a bit of an emotional investment because they often form the creative 'heart' of one's studio - it's where a lot of the 'magic happens.' So if someone tells you your choice of DAW is "bad" or "wrong" people tend to take that as an affront to their ideas, their music, their creativity. It's difficult to get people to see them for what they are - a tool, rather than a process, since so much stuff happens inside them.

[Ambience]

Originally Posted by Dysanfel

Here we go again! Get your popcorn ready!

LMAO

[hello people]

My signature kind of mitigates against the very things mentioned in the opening post.

Oh...and err...I'm sorry too

* gets popcorn

[kennyda]

I wonder how total noobs decide what DAW to use, must be complicated decision. There's no easy way to compare DAWs.

[synthoid]

The root of the problem is this. Person X used a certain DAW, and hated it. So he posts about his bad experience and impression. Person Y loves that DAW. Now he's offended by person X's comments. Or, person Y posts first about his love for this DAW, and person X comes along afterwards and is hurt and offended.

The stupid part is, though, that it isn't at all like election politics where we're all going to be forced to live with one or the other. This is nothing like that. This is like going to a restaurant, and your friend orders a dark beer but you order a light beer. Everything is going to be OK. Everyone is going to drink the beer they want. There are no losers in a DAW war.

-synthoid

[Jason West]

Originally Posted by Whitecat

So if someone tells you your choice of DAW is "bad" or "wrong" people tend to take that as an affront to their ideas, their music, their creativity.

I actually haven't seen people criticize DAW choices the way you've described. I haven't visited every thread but I just haven't seen anyone say "your choice of Ableton sux" or "your preference for Cubase is stupid." For the most part, most people have no problems at all with whatever DAW someone wants to use.

What gets the flames fired are the opinionated reasons dressed up as fact that people give for liking a particular DAW. It's an important distinction to make clear.


"I like Harley Davidson motorcycles over Kawasaki because the seat height is little lower so it's more comfortable for me." <-- This is an objective fact that can be respectfully disagreed with. Everyone has different ideas of where they want their butt to be placed in relation to the handlebars.


"I like Harley Davidson motorcycles over Kawasaki because my shoes sprout the Wings of Mercury everytime I ride it and that transformation is visible to the naked eye if you've been riding bikes as long as I have." <-- this is the type of absurd nonsense that litters DAW threads and perpetuates idiocy.

The ultimate trump card (supposedly) is that the Wings of Mercury are easily visible by the perceptions of human eyes (at least the experienced ones) but can't be detected by infrared cameras or x-ray machines. This type of rebuttal has no endpoint and the conversation then spirals into incoherent nonsense.

[smoke]

Funny thread. Limiter discussions tend to get a bit heated as well.

People think what they have is better because they have it.

It's like walking past a restaurant and someone says 'Oh they're soo good'.. o just great food. No it's not. It's just that you've been there once but tried nothing else in the area, so you feel qualified to say it's good without any comparison to anything else.

[smoke]

Originally Posted by kennyda

I wonder how total noobs decide what DAW to use, must be complicated decision. There's no easy way to compare DAWs.

I remember.

My version of Cubasis came bundled with a Tascam US 428 interface that I bought to track some instruments into Musys, which was a pretty early basic DAW.

As I got better, there was more I needed, went down the path of SL, SX, 3, 4 5 6...

I was a total noob befire the internets became big, so today, it's a different story.

[SabreChris]

Originally Posted by FlameSuit

Just proves that Aspergers+persecution complex=this subforum

You forgot Mac vs PC.

[SabreChris]

Originally Posted by Jason West

I actually haven't seen people criticize DAW choices the way you've described. I haven't visited every thread but I just haven't seen anyone say "your choice of Ableton sux" or "your preference for Cubase is stupid." For the most part, most people have no problems at all with whatever DAW someone wants to use.

What gets the flames fired are the opinionated reasons dressed up as fact that people give for liking a particular DAW. It's an important distinction to make clear.


"I like Harley Davidson motorcycles over Kawasaki because the seat height is little lower so it's more comfortable for me." <-- This is an objective fact that can be respectfully disagreed with. Everyone has different ideas of where they want their butt to be placed in relation to the handlebars.


"I like Harley Davidson motorcycles over Kawasaki because my shoes sprout the Wings of Mercury everytime I ride it and that transformation is visible to the naked eye if you've been riding bikes as long as I have." <-- this is the type of absurd nonsense that litters DAW threads and perpetuates idiocy.

The ultimate trump card (supposedly) is that the Wings of Mercury are easily visible by the perceptions of human eyes (at least the experienced ones) but can't be detected by infrared cameras or x-ray machines. This type of rebuttal has no endpoint and the conversation then spirals into incoherent nonsense.

A + PC

[Jason West]

Originally Posted by SabreChris

A + PC

Nope. You need to look up what PC actually is and read the symptoms.

I don't have that. What I do have is M. A totally different disorder. But a lot of people on gearslutz also have that issue* so the brotherhood balance of power is maintained. If anyone steps out of line however... no mercy. No mercy.


* someone once said "Put away your pitchfork little man." but I can't remember exactly who it was

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by RobFlemingMusic

Funny ... If you open the many DAW-related threads, you will notice the following trend:

1) User starts a thread (usually well thought out)
2) Folks start to reply with opinions
3) There's usually a few who will say something like "Here we go again! Get your popcorn ready!" Or something along those lines to warn against the inevitable flame throwing that will most surely ensue.
4) If it's a hot thread, the pages of replies mount quickly
5) If you jump from page one to ten, you'll start to see the apologies show up. "I did not mean to offend you. I apologize.", etc.

I'm wondering if there has ever been a DAW-related thread that has remained civil from start to end. DAW talk brings out the prick in many it seems.

Funny that it should, since there is no one DAW that is right for everyone and we probably mostly all agree on that.

[Toth]

Originally Posted by kennyda

I wonder how total noobs decide what DAW to use, must be complicated decision. There's no easy way to compare DAWs.

I think a lot of people just start with the lite version of a DAW that comes with their audio interface (as someone has posted already).

[KorgAddict]

Another classic is someone saying DAW X can do this while DAW Y doesn't. Sure enough, a DAW Y user comes along saying his/her DAW does in fact have the feature in question. After the explanation, DAW X user says it's easier on his DAW because there's one less click to get to the feature. After 10 pages, everybody agree that both DAWs are great!!

KA

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by Jason West

Nope. You need to look up what PC actually is and read the symptoms.

I don't have that. What I do have is M. A totally different disorder. But a lot of people on gearslutz also have that issue* so the brotherhood balance of power is maintained. If anyone steps out of line however... no mercy. No mercy.


* someone once said "Put away your pitchfork little man." but I can't remember exactly who it was

And some of us have a different "M" disease -- monomania... Then of course there are those of us who have both.

[ShadowAMD]

Originally Posted by KorgAddict

Another classic is someone saying DAW X can do this while DAW Y doesn't. Sure enough, a DAW Y user comes along saying his/her DAW does in fact have the feature in question. After the explanation, DAW X user says it's easier on his DAW because there's one less click to get to the feature. After 10 pages, everybody agree that both DAWs are great!!

KA

Well, combine pro tools and me it's a case of spend time watching it slow down and crashing.. Which is odd since I never had a problem with an old pentium and 7.4 now with a quad core I7 and 32GB of ram, pro tools can't even use the ram.. It's like what's the point? So I moved to samplitude and love it although it's a massive learning curve..

Being honest, pro tools can bite my shiny metal ass.. Couldn't give a monkey's bottom if it's an industry standard or whatever..

P.S I'm sorry, for reason's I'm unsure of.

[Jason West]

Originally Posted by theblue1

And some of us have a different "M" disease -- monomania... Then of course there are those of us who have both.

Coincidentally... you happened to be the recipient of that "pitchfork little man" snipe (from the dude I can't remember) so I hope you haven't suffered any permanent emotional scars. If so, we'll swing down to Long Beach and sightsee the RMS Queen Mary as joint therapy. Such a lovely ship.

To accuse the overly-polite theblue1 of all people of the Napolean complex! What has this world come to?!?! haha

[kennyda]

All I know is, I've used Cubase, Reason and Reaper, and I prefer Live by a mile. I could never use anything else now. I spend most of my time in Session View, and only Live has that.

[machoboy]

People take this crap way too seriously

I'm always like one second away from just posting photos of my ass out of boredom and getting banned. I wish more people were like that.

[machoboy]

ex;

SeriousForumCommunityMannersLectureGeezerWhoKnowsEveryoneonaFirstNameBasis:

"Well, Machoboy, around here blahblahblah blahblahblah so if you don't want to contribute blahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblah and like Ted over there said blahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahbla. Some time you outta ask Martha about blahblah blah and how Joebob tested these units for himself blahhrrgh blahhhh blahh and recommends you build your own out of popsicle sticks and kawasaki dirtbike filters blahblahblah heres the 400 page tutorial because like us you have no job blah blah"

14YearOldDorkWhoIdolizesThatGuyAndWillSomedayBecomeHim:

"I agree. This is a community that depends on its blahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblah and for you to rehash a topic which evokes hostile emotions from blahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblah is blahblahblah blahblahblah inconsiderate to our digital community to bring up a topic which has been historically known to cause blah blah blah blah and perhaps you owe Joebob a sincere apology for blahblahhhhhhh blahhhhhhhhhhh yap yap yap."

*posts my ass and gets banned

[dr_Jezz]

Originally Posted by machoboy

People take this crap way too seriously

I'm always like one second away from just posting photos of my ass out of boredom and getting banned. I wish more people were like that.

[Dean Roddey]

Only losers eat popcorn.