Talent Vs Hard Work

[ShadowAMD]

Originally Posted by andrea19837

Hi everyone!

Today I have a big revelation:

-I am gone to my buddy friend new ****in studio.

everythings there. big neve console, big monitor, big room, near perfect acoustic, nice instrument gt synth drum bass, nice comp eq fx. everything You can dream. Hylo converter apogee..everything.

I was like drunk there when i come back home, on foot, i start to think..

damm if you have(or go) to such a nice studio, your chance to Make a N1. hit worldwide are gonna increase? after 1 hours of thought my answer is no. yes maybe a little 3 4% no moore..

so hard work with state of the art machine isn't enought?

boys I think it's hard to confess but You need talent, i don't know if these esist, what is it, It's something that make the real difference the last 100 yards..You can't buy it (neve apI) and i think even if U study and work hard you can't reach that..

what do you think about' ? never thought about it'

andrew.

You sure you're not still drunk?

[Howard Willing]

Originally Posted by ShadowAMD

You sure you're not still drunk?

ha!

[joelpatterson]

*hic!* what I think about it is...

Those Neve's and all were the bestest things, back in the day, but in today's day all kinds of manner of gear is up to the task... the task being creatifying magically entrancing audio... and then beyond that factoid, today's gear has the ability to shape and refine and subtly manipulate sound waves in ways that Neve's never could.

All gear is like a doorway... the real issue always is: what's behind the door? What are you opening up onto?

I need to sit down, I'm getting dizzy...

[kennybro]

Wasn't that Neve's original marketing slogan? "A 3 to 4% increase in the chance of a WW N1 hit song. No More."

[brockorama]

Originally Posted by joelpatterson

All gear is like a doorway... the real issue always is: what's behind the door? What are you opening up onto?

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Gearslutz Zone.

[Konnector]

You can write a great song, record it with top notch gear by seasoned pros in a world class facility, but for that track to become a "hit", that will depend on many things unrelated to the actual writing/recording process that you have little or no control over.

[Dean Roddey]

Originally Posted by kennybro

Wasn't that Neve's original marketing slogan? "A 3 to 4% increase in the chance of a WW N1 hit song. No More."

I thought that was per-channel?

[Fred.Kevorkian]

Talent AND hard work :D

[Howie J]

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.....

[Fred.Kevorkian]

Originally Posted by Howie J

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.....

Word

[jordanvoth]

Hard work is useless, same with talent. I'm all about laying on the floor staring at the ceiling these days. Seriously. You wish I was being sarcastic.
It's my 5-10 part time job when I'm not at work (which coincidentally, I'm not very good at and I don't work hard at either).

[Duardo]

You need some degree of hard work and talent to be ready if all of the proverbial stars align to the point where you have a shot at your work somehow getting heard by the right person at the right time to get it to the point where you have a chance at it becoming a hit.

That's if you're an artist. If you're a studio owner...then sure, having world-class gear in a world-class facility increases your chances of getting artists in there who may potentially be successful.

[Dean Roddey]

Ultimately, to make it, you need

1. Luck
2. Some mixture of hard work and talent

If you don't get the luck, then neither hard work or talent will work on its own. If you do get the luck, but you haven't bothered to work hard or developed your talent, then the luck probably wouldn't help you either.

[ShadowAMD]

Originally Posted by Dean Roddey

Ultimately, to make it, you need

1. Luck
2. Some mixture of hard work and talent

If you don't get the luck, then neither hard work or talent will work on its own. If you do get the luck, but you haven't bothered to work hard or developed your talent, then the luck probably wouldn't help you either.

+100, You may have talent coming out your ears.. If you don't put in the work and publish it and hope the right people hear you.. It' all kind of pointless and a waste.

[Murray]

1.Connections.

2.Social game.

3. Some "hard" work.

4. Some "talent".

5. Some gear (you get the get the good stuff if you've got the first four).

[Chris Lago]

I've been trying to make it based on my looks alone, I guess it's not going to work.

[Murray]

Originally Posted by Chris Lago

I've been trying to make it based on my looks alone, I guess it's not going to work.

That's how Pitbull made it. It all depends on who you blow.

[Chris Lago]

Originally Posted by Murray

That's how Pitbull made it. It all depends on who you blow.

Of course he doesn't have any talent...

[boomer81]

They go hand in hand if you have all the talent in the world but dont work hard it dont matter. Same with gear you can have a vintage api console but the fact is lanois can most likley do it better than you on a mackie.

I started playing guitar about 10 years ago. I was around some highschool guys that played. And one that really is one of the most natrually gifted musicians i ever met flat out told me i had no talent and it was gonna be hard for me to get good. I play every day because i love it. I had not seen him in five years until this last summer. I smoked his ass and its because of hard work. Through that hard work i became talented.

My all time favorite album is springsteens nebraska. I dont care for most any of the other overproduced crap bruce ever made. it was recorded on a portastudio with sm57s and its one of the most moving haunting dark and beautiful albums ever made. No doubt bruce is the definition of melding hard work and talent dude was a slave driver. And talented so the gear didnt matter.

And yes you need alot of luck. But you gotta be a go getter. You gotta want it in every aspect. Have i made it in the music business no i have not. But ive made it in the business world. At this point i would have a number one album to get me to think of quitting my business. And thats from hard work.

[nuthinupmysleeve]

Malcolm Gladwell. Outliers. 10,000 hours. That is what it takes to be good. Selling a million records is another story.

[cuckoo.old]

If you're young, pretty, and prepared to s*** as much c*** as it takes certainly won't hurt.

[Joe Haze]

Rich family, or parents in the biz.

Hard work will get you into the position of being known for working hard, then somebody will use you to benefit off your hard work while they take your credit.

[Jack Duelisis]

Originally Posted by Dean Roddey

Ultimately, to make it, you need

2. Some mixture of hard work and talent

I think Bach made a statement about this : "I worked hard. Anyone who works as hard as I did can achieve the same results. "

It was easy to say. He had more talent that most of us would ever dream to have.

I don't think that with that kind of talent and the work he produced during his life, luck has anything to do with his success.

Now times have changed.

[Dean Roddey]

Originally Posted by Jack Duelisis

I think Bach made a statement about this : "I worked hard. Anyone who works as hard as I did can achieve the same results. "

It was easy to say. He had more talent that most of us would ever dream to have.

I don't think that with that kind of talent and the work he produced during his life, luck has anything to do with his success.

Now times have changed.

Not true. People don't really stop to think what 'luck' really means. It doesn't just mean you find someone who recognizes your talent and gives you a break. It also means you don't get cancer. That you don't have an alcholic father who beats you your entire life and you grow up mentally ill. That your child doesn't get a serious disease that requires all your time. That you don't get hit by a drunk driver and end up the hospital. That you happen to be born in a politically stable and economically viable country. That you aren't born into a socio economic group that doesn't even allow you to have the chance no matter what your talent, e.g. how many Jewish kids you figure had a chance at Bach's path in his neck of the woods? That you are play the kind of music that has any chance at all of wide popularity in your time, e.g. try to get on the top 100 as a blues garage band right now, I don't care how hard you work.

And Bach's statement, assuming he even said it, is just wrong anyway. Everyone who makes it tends to say something similar. And everyone believes it because they only people they ever bother to listen to are the people who made it. They don't listen to the hundred other people (for every one of the ones who made it) who worked just as hard and didn't make it.

It's one of the oldest fallacies in the book. None of those people who didn't make it get their statements recorded for posterity, so history is a completely biased record on this particular subject. And it leads so many people to believe that if you work really hard you will make it. But it's just not true.

[Joe Haze]

Working hard won't make you successful, you may feel good about having a strong work ethic, but it doesn't translate into money ect..

Luck is finding the right environment to foster growth, I have seen guys playing the audio game 5 (or less) years and get a Grammy ect... Some struggle.

[Jack Duelisis]

Originally Posted by Dean Roddey

Not true. People don't really stop to think what 'luck' really means. It doesn't just mean you find someone who recognizes your talent and gives you a break. It also means you don't get cancer. That you don't have an alcholic father who beats you your entire life and you grow up mentally ill. That your child doesn't get a serious disease that requires all your time. That you don't get hit by a drunk driver and end up the hospital. That you happen to be born in a politically stable and economically viable country. That you aren't born into a socio economic group that doesn't even allow you to have the chance no matter what your talent, e.g. how many Jewish kids you figure had a chance at Bach's path in his neck of the woods? That you are play the kind of music that has any chance at all of wide popularity in your time, e.g. try to get on the top 100 as a blues garage band right now, I don't care how hard you work.

And Bach's statement, assuming he even said it, is just wrong anyway. Everyone who makes it tends to say something similar. And everyone believes it because they only people they ever bother to listen to are the people who made it. They don't listen to the hundred other people (for every one of the ones who made it) who worked just as hard and didn't make it.

It's one of the oldest fallacies in the book. None of those people who didn't make it get their statements recorded for posterity, so history is a completely biased record on this particular subject. And it leads so many people to believe that if you work really hard you will make it. But it's just not true.

When you quote someone, try to read until the end of the quote

Now times have changed.

And this quote from Bach is well known, but hey, no youtube at the time, so we cannot know for sure, right ?

[Dean Roddey]

But it isn't any different now than it was in Bach's time. It's still just as hard, and you still need just as much luck, both lack of bad luck and some amount of good luck. There are in some ways fewer limits, but in other ways more.

Even the reduction of limitations these days is in and of itself a limitation. As many have pointed out, Babe Ruth would be a pathetic loser in today's baseball. He was a giant because he existed at a time when raw talent could make you a giant. Now, he'd probably never even get on the team.

It's harder and harder to be seen as special when far more people are competing for the spotlight, and when there is so much more 'performance optimization' going on. It's a little different in music where performance isn't nearly as objectively measurable. But still, as more and more people get to take a shot at it, it means more and more people will try but fail to make it, inevitably. There's not really THAT much more room on the top of the hill now than there was then.

And ow that almost everyone making music just accepts that it's perfectly acceptable to completely cheat and use tools to make themselves sound far more perfect than they actually do, it makes more and more everything sound the same, reduces the value of uniqueness, and reduces the value of real talent.

[sakamoto]

[Sqye]

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Talent and hard work are a tiny part of any success equation - and are both basically, in the same product quadrant.

Neither talent NOR hard work will get you very far -

without funding, business acumen, social skills, networking, luck, timing, connections, staying power, and KILLER PR!!


Millions and millions of folks can and DO produce reasonable enough product for broadcast or to jump start a career.

But you need business skills, funding and a killer team around you - for sustained visibility, income and staying power.

Other than that, if you're just creating art to have fun - then it doesn't matter. Enjoy, and forget about the world!

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