Dave Pensado Mixing Contest - WTF? Those are top??

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by scorpix74

Why "rock" mixes should be bad?
I'm here to improve myslef and to know what are the bad and the good things I've done to be better next time and so on.
What you say is like "What you do rap? Your music is not good."

Rock mixes are bad because the tune was closer to trad jazz. Didn't sound good with a rock approach.

[slackstallion]

someone should just flatten into mono, LP at 10k, HP at 300, smash with voxengo, and submit.

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by scorpix74

Why "rock" mixes should be bad?
I'm here to improve myslef and to know what are the bad and the good things I've done to be better next time and so on.
What you say is like "What you do rap? Your music is not good."

Nah, I think you misunderstood. What I meant was that after listening to 200 of the mixes it was refreshing when someone didn't mix the kick, snare and tuba dead centre with the trumpet left and the trombone right. Basically, the classic rock/pop formula. I've got nothing against rock. After all, I'm a punk rocker. You should try listening 200 of those mixes and you'll see what I mean.

[jordanvoth]

Speaking of which, I just got a 40's Leedy today that would have worked wonders on this track. I still think it is a BAD recording and therefore would benefit from being retracked. I haven't looked at the files but every mix sounds like a bad recording to me.

[ludwigvanlee]

Originally Posted by jordanvoth

Speaking of which, I just got a 40's Leedy today that would have worked wonders on this track. I still think it is a BAD recording and therefore would benefit from being retracked. I haven't looked at the files but every mix sounds like a bad recording to me.

while the files individually are nothing stellar, its definitely not what i would consider a bad recording at all.. definitely usable.. most of the work would involve cleaning up mud from the brass..

and i have no idea why but there was a delay track for the trombone or trumpet.. i forget.. but it was completely useless.. who puts a 1/4 delay on a trumpet for a whole song?

to me.. most of the mixes are boring and flat.. indeed i thought the song was a little boring too..

i definitely wouldn't approach this from just a 'fixing' things only perspective and would be creative.. but that's just me..

the problem i think is that the band didn't really specify what they were looking for in this mix so people just did what they wanted..

[jordanvoth]

Originally Posted by ludwigvanlee

while the files individually are nothing stellar, its definitely not what i would consider a bad recording at all.. definitely usable.. most of the work would involve cleaning up mud from the brass..

and i have no idea why but there was a delay track for the trombone or trumpet.. i forget.. but it was completely useless.. who puts a 1/4 delay on a trumpet for a whole song?

to me.. most of the mixes are boring and flat.. indeed i thought the song was a little boring too..

i definitely wouldn't approach this from just a 'fixing' things only perspective and would be creative.. but that's just me..

the problem i think is that the band didn't really specify what they were looking for in this mix so people just did what they wanted..

I disagree. I think it is just a bad recording. Some of the guys with delays on the horns sound hilarious though but to be a good sport, I'd have no idea. I've never dealt with horns before.

[scorpix74]

Originally Posted by Walshy

Nah, I think you misunderstood. What I meant was that after listening to 200 of the mixes it was refreshing when someone didn't mix the kick, snare and tuba dead centre with the trumpet left and the trombone right. Basically, the classic rock/pop formula. I've got nothing against rock. After all, I'm a punk rocker. You should try listening 200 of those mixes and you'll see what I mean.

Yep misunderstood, I was talking about compression more than hard paning
I tried to give it space (a little too much...) but I still consider mine as a rock mix (reamping the instruments, distorsion on the kick, parallel compression on drums, etc). It's not a recipe that I always use, as I said I'm a beginner, I just tried new stuff (to improve myself a bit ^^).

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by scorpix74

Yep misunderstood, I was talking about compression more than hard paning
I tried to give it space (a little too much...) but I still consider mine as a rock mix (reamping the instruments, distorsion on the kick, parallel compression on drums, etc). It's not a recipe that I always use, as I said I'm a beginner, I just tried new stuff (to improve myself a bit ^^).

You know what, I re-amped the kick and sent it through a Marshall to add distortion. I also re-amped the tuba and sent it through a gated flanger! Seems like we have very similar methods of practice.

[scorpix74]

Originally Posted by Walshy

You know what, I re-amped the kick and sent it through a Marshall to add distortion. I also re-amped the tuba and sent it through a gated flanger! Seems like we have very similar methods of practice.

It was an octaver and then a bass amp on my Tuba ahah.
I just listen my mix on a big system (a few K$ ^^). I'll do some modifications on my mix just for my ego XD.

[Jimbob131313]

Seems I misread the site. Voting ends on OCT 17th.... Doaaahh.. Well at least I cured some boredom at work on Friday... Maybe Ill post it on here?

[Josh Rose]

This was a bad recording? You're kidding! I thought it sounded great after sorting out the phase issues. The horns sound gorgeous. Tons of detail. They sound really sweet. Josh Rosenbohm's Pensado's Place Mixing Competition - Billy Martin's Wicked Knee Submission - Indaba Music

I'm also slightly bothered by the notion that this track must be mixed like straight jazz, and that a 1/4 note delay has no place in the mix. wtf? You can't take a song with horns, mix it aggressively, and put a delay in there? Well, clearly the band or producer disagree. Where do you think the delay came from?

The band is clearly on the experimental side, and the track is full of atonal squeals and voicing. I think it warrants an adventurous mix. This is not the type of band that requires a very genre-strict mix, in my opinion.

[Walshy]

It's already been mentioned but I think we all ignored it. Did anyone attempt to use the front and side stems in a mid-side formation? It just occurred to me that this should've been an obvious starting point for the drum stems. I didn't and now I wish I did. This technique has been mentioned a bit recently on Pensado's Place.

Walshy's Pensado's Place Mixing Competition - Billy Martin's Wicked Knee Submission - Indaba Music

[scorpix74]

Nop I didn't walshy...
Do we know which mix finally won?

[Walshy]

7th of November I believe, so we've got a bit of a wait yet.
I had a play with the mid-side thing. Listening to the original files, it doesn't seem they were recorded for it. For example, the side mic should be blocking the snare due to the figure 8 pattern. It doesn't sound like it does to me.

[scruffydog]

when i heard the choice of track i just thought ''what's the point?''
and as for listening to the winner i just thought..''what's the point?..surely life is too short...''

[scorpix74]

So who won?

[Walshy]

Originally Posted by scruffydog

when i heard the choice of track i just thought ''what's the point?''
and as for listening to the winner i just thought..''what's the point?..surely life is too short...''

My grandfather turns 90 soon. That means that there's a chance that my genes are going to keep me mixing for another 56 years. I guess I figured I had enough life left to enter the comp. Anyway, I used to play the tuba. There's 2 good points!

[ludwigvanlee]

so the winner has been announced.. have you guys checked it out? pretty decent.. landslide better than the popular vote.. but it looks like people liked the slammed mix, which i am not against.. the instruments do sound pretty separated , kick is punchy.. but emotionally.. kinda meh for me.. but everything sounds where it should be..

[scorpix74]

yep sounds far better than the popular vote but it sounds too separate and too agressive to me.

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[basmartin]

Originally Posted by ludwigvanlee

so the winner has been announced.. have you guys checked it out? pretty decent.. landslide better than the popular vote.. but it looks like people liked the slammed mix, which i am not against.. the instruments do sound pretty separated , kick is punchy.. but emotionally.. kinda meh for me.. but everything sounds where it should be..

Not my favourite, but a good job and was one of the ones that I felt was better than my own mix

Congrats!

[scorpix74]

Yes better than mine too .

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[scorpix74]

I'd done some huge mistakes on my mix (I'm a beginner haha)
So I redo my mix and here it's:
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Can I have your opinions?

[scorpix74]

Do you participate to the new one?

Mine is here
Tell me what do you think of it and how could I improve on the next one.

[Walshy]

Yep, I entered. https://beta.indabamusic.com/opportu...d-12313d17404b