Ok pt.2 What's up with beats??

[oceantracks]

Originally Posted by Bossatmusic

That's what I thought you were getting at, but I had too much faith in ****ing people to allow myself to believe that you'd try to link these two situations. We dislike the n-word because of the hundreds of years of suffering and oppression that it represents. I don't think the term "making beats" carries the same implications. I get that names and words turn people off, and I suppose that's the greater point you're trying to achieve. However, if we focus on this situation specifically, there isn't really as strong a reason to be so offended by the term "making beats" and you sound like the guy who's trying to stretch his argument to "if the n-word can offend people, so can the term for hip-hop production." Even if that's not actually what you're trying to say.

You may have a lot of faith in people, but CAN you complete a post without using the "F" bomb ? This is the real question

The "N" word offends people because it represents ignorance, much the same as "makin' beats" comes off that way to myself, and others.

It really is as simple as that, don't make it something it isn't.

As the poster above properly cited, it's just indicative of the whole lazy attitude toward learning anything about music, right down to what you call it.

JMHO, of course, which, much as it may irritate you, is as valid as your own.

TH

[phillysoulman]

Originally Posted by oceantracks

"make beats" is one of the dumbest expressions I have ever heard.

TH

I totally agree
Its a "ghetto term" that mindless idiots made up because they dont know what a backing track is
In fact,all of the ghetto isms associated with hip hop are of the kindergarten variety and represent the continuous dumbing down of our people :(

The next obvious step is a dishwashing gig at Burger King

[kennybro]

It's a sign of the times. Repetition, imitation, laziness, narcissism, automation, and the appearance of creativity. Go make BEATZ and inform the world via facebook & youtube that you're a GENIUS.

[C//AZM]

Originally Posted by oceantracks

Sorry, it's ignorant.

It's the equivalent of a songwriter sitting down and telling everyone "Hey can you guys keep it down a little? I'm trying to make notes here."

Language is an ever evolving entity. People now call Instrumental R&B Jazz. People call two entire genres of music, Jazz and Rock and Roll names that were slang terms for F&$king. (whoo there's that word) Dozens of Rock and Funk songs call "The Bridge" something that is either a breakdown or a modulation. People say disco is dead yet it's all over the Billboard hot 100. Many people count 1,2,3,4 on a song that's clearly 6/8 and they screw up a simple Blues form. People mistake Mode for Key and I've seen many successful people mistakenly call an 9th chord a sus chord. Many engineers and manufacturers call 48 volts, phantom power even when there's a button. People call a Groove or Vamp a song. People say that improvising, add libbing R&B singers are using melisma.

Mainstream media and population has mis attributed "Hip-hop" with "Rap" to the point that there's no distinction, much to the irritation of those who know better. I've seen Jazz musicians get 3/4 confused with 3/8. Many great/ famous artists got the very simple You and I /you and Me thing mixed up. Many have said "Hypmatize" and "Every Since". There are countless Rock guys who sound silly imitating a southern blues accent and many many blues acts who constantly get the English language wrong all the time. Many famous Rockers totally miss the point of the blues form.

Many many people here on GS seem to not know the difference between your and You're.
This industry is fraught with incorrect labels and phrases. It's music, not English Lit. The former has driven the latter for hundreds of years why should it change now.

This is all beside the point isn't it? Music has evolved and the language has evolved yet there will always be a Davidsbundler railing against the Philistines. The strange thing is that they, like Schuman are almost always wrong. You are no exception.

I'd bet that most, if not ALL of these vile "beat" sayers know a better, more correct pronunciation of the term.
But why say isn't when Aint is so much better?

Originally Posted by phillysoulman

I totally agree
Its a "ghetto term" that mindless idiots made up because they dont know what a backing track is
In fact,all of the ghetto isms associated with hip hop are of the kindergarten variety and represent the continuous dumbing down of our people :(

Really now? ALL of the "ghettoisms?"geesh you're swinging a long machete there. IMHO this says a lot more about you than it does about their intellect or them as artists or members of "Our People". I have personally heard people as diverse as Lauyrn Hill and Common to Lil John and Snoop use this term. They're all just ignorant stupid people?

You would've hated speaking to Jazz musicians in the 40s-60s where their every phrase or word -now part of the musical language- was seen as ignorant and incorrect and worse. So hold on to your shame and soon these "Ghetto isms" will be a full part of the American lexicon as have the thousands of other "Ghetto isms" before them stretching back to some old wooden boats. It will be ok then.
It always is.

[C//AZM]

With all due respect sir, you equated the "N word" with calling an instrumental a beat and then said...

Originally Posted by oceantracks

It really is as simple as that, don't make it something it isn't.
TH

You do see the irony there, right?

I love the diverse opinions here on GS!

For the record I disliked the "beat" thing too but I got used to it back in the early 90s and moved on to bemoaning the fact that I could get a client to purchase 6 rolls of 499 @ $160 each but I had a harder time getting the same guys to buy a $200 FW hard drive.

[PTbreaker]

+1 to all of this. I think it's perfectly fine to say you don't like something or that something doesn't connect with you but to write off a whole genre as not having any artistic/musical merit is just narrow thinking.

Originally Posted by C//AZM

Language is an ever evolving entity. People now call Instrumental R&B Jazz. People call two entire genres of music, Jazz and Rock and Roll names that were slang terms for F&$king. (whoo there's that word) Dozens of Rock and Funk songs call "The Bridge" something that is either a breakdown or a modulation. People say disco is dead yet it's all over the Billboard hot 100. Many people count 1,2,3,4 on a song that's clearly 6/8 and they screw up a simple Blues form. People mistake Mode for Key and I've seen many successful people mistakenly call an 9th chord a sus chord. Many engineers and manufacturers call 48 volts, phantom power even when there's a button. People call a Groove or Vamp a song. People say that improvising, add libbing R&B singers are using melisma.

Mainstream media and population has mis attributed "Hip-hop" with "Rap" to the point that there's no distinction, much to the irritation of those who know better. I've seen Jazz musicians get 3/4 confused with 3/8. Many great/ famous artists got the very simple You and I /you and Me thing mixed up. Many have said "Hypmatize" and "Every Since". There are countless Rock guys who sound silly imitating a southern blues accent and many many blues acts who constantly get the English language wrong all the time. Many famous Rockers totally miss the point of the blues form.

Many many people here on GS seem to not know the difference between your and You're.
This industry is fraught with incorrect labels and phrases. It's music, not English Lit. The former has driven the latter for hundreds of years why should it change now.

This is all beside the point isn't it? Music has evolved and the language has evolved yet there will always be a Davidsbundler railing against the Philistines. The strange thing is that they, like Schuman are almost always wrong. You are no exception.

I'd bet that most, if not ALL of these vile "beat" sayers know a better, more correct pronunciation of the term.
But why say isn't when Aint is so much better?


Really now? ALL of the "ghettoisms?"geesh you're swinging a long machete there. IMHO this says a lot more about you than it does about their intellect or them as artists or members of "Our People". I have personally heard people as diverse as Lauyrn Hill and Common to Lil John and Snoop use this term. They're all just ignorant stupid people?

You would've hated speaking to Jazz musicians in the 40s-60s where their every phrase or word -now part of the musical language- was seen as ignorant and incorrect and worse. So hold on to your shame and soon these "Ghetto isms" will be a full part of the American lexicon as have the thousands of other "Ghetto isms" before them stretching back to some old wooden boats. It will be ok then.
It always is.

[Joe Haze]

Yes, I agree. not trying to be narrow minded, but to me it's like a studied mathematician watching people perform basic addition and proudly putting it up on youtube.

[PTbreaker]

Originally Posted by Joe Haze

Yes, I agree. not trying to be narrow minded, but to me it's like a studied mathematician watching people perform basic addition and proudly putting it up on youtube.

I wont deny that there is a large share of arrogant and warrantless self back patting in a lot of those video coments.

e this is indeed a conversation that could go in circles till the end of time.

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. " -Socrates

[C//AZM]

Originally Posted by Joe Haze

Yes, I agree. not trying to be narrow minded, but to me it's like a studied mathematician watching people perform basic addition and proudly putting it up on youtube.

Imma teach y'all somthing.
12+7, ok grab your calculator. For this operation Imma be using the TRS-80. and you see here that the plus sign is orange.......

My rule is if the mic level on the sound engineering tutorial is crappy then NEXT...