Does some music incite violence? Or is it just the individuals?
Guys
I dont wish to trivialize the Aurora, CO shootings today and I am deeply saddened by what happened there...
Some years ago, there was another mass shooting in Columbine and many in the media blamed Marilyn Manson's music for inciting hatred and influencing the kids to turn to violence...
Obviously, I am not one to blame any artist or musician when such tragedies occur, because there are some in the media and politics who won't let crises like these go to waste...
But you as a musician or human being who reads this post, how do you feel or what is your opinion when musicians get blamed for tragedies like these?
Is it the music which is to blame or is it just the pure evil that these psycho individuals potray and exhibit?
Thanks...
Poverty, losing your house, losing your money after being robbed by banks, loneliness (inflicted or self inflicted), nervous breakdowns, mental illness makes people violent.
Sweden and Denmark have the same violent music, video games and other cultural motifs and they are very peaceful by comparison.
I have listened to death metal and have not been in a fight in 40 years on earth.
Thing is, Denmark and Sweden have strict gun laws and average people with money.
This clown in Colorado bought:
Machine gun, shot gun, two hand guns, full tactical gear, 6000 rounds of ammo.
LEGALLY!!!
The NRA fights against background checks and it is legal to sell guns at "gun shows" without a background check!!!
I can go to a bar 3 blocks from here and buy a gun on the black market.
There is your problem. Too many tools of destruction for the lunatics to use.
The murderous pyscho from Colorado was a PhD student, more will follow soon in the days/weeks about his mental or medical condition, etc...
Last time when some musicians were blamed for "violent" music, they asked the interviewer if it was OK for movies to show violence or for adults to inflict violence/abuse on children...
The murderous pyscho from Colorado was a PhD student, more will follow soon in the days/weeks about his mental or medical condition, etc...
Last time when some musicians were blamed for "violent" music, they asked the interviewer if it was OK for movies to show violence or for adults to inflict violence/abuse on children...
Hitler was evil.
This guy just snapped like so many others lately. He was a normal guy one day and woke up someone else for whatever reason.
Not normal in any way what he did.
As Oliver Wendell Holmes once said:“Insanity is often the logic of an accurate mind overtaxed."
Poverty, losing your house, losing your money after being robbed by banks, loneliness (inflicted or self inflicted), nervous breakdowns, mental illness makes people violent.
Sweden and Denmark have the same violent music, video games and other cultural motifs and they are very peaceful by comparison.
I have listened to death metal and have not been in a fight in 40 years on earth.
Thing is, Denmark and Sweden have strict gun laws and average people with money.
This clown in Colorado bought:
Machine gun, shot gun, two hand guns, full tactical gear, 6000 rounds of ammo.
LEGALLY!!!
The NRA fights against background checks and it is legal to sell guns at "gun shows" without a background check!!!
I can go to a bar 3 blocks from here and buy a gun on the black market.
There is your problem. Too many tools of destruction for the lunatics to use.
Most Swiss households have at least one real assault rifle due to their militia system. Shooting sports are pretty popular there.
The guy didn't have a machine gun. Transferrable machine guns are incredibly expensive, and take upwards of six months just for the paperwork, so you can't just go to a store, put down your credit card, and leave with a machine gun. Owners of real machine guns are some of the best citizens of the country because of the amount of background checks that take place before the ATF approves you.
Any licensed dealer at a gun show is required to go through the paperwork they would do if they were at their usual place of business. Private sellers are not required to do checks regardless of their location.
I'm proud to say that would have never worked on me. At least not with the most common 75% of countries.
God those people are dumb. lol
To the OP:
I think music is VERY influential in the emotions we go threw, but every human is in charge of their actions. If heavy metal makes you want to kill people... listen to jazz.
With the exception of 90s Norwegian Black Metal, I don't think music drives people to murder. When two teens committed suicide after listening to Judas Priest the band got sued even after it turned out they had been drunk and high. Some people just want to blame anyone who is different.
There is a guy in a documentary about battles on the field which said that just before a raid, some dude in the infantry where listening to heavy metal or such to boost them up.
There is a guy in a documentary about battles on the field which said that just before a raid, some dude in the infantry where listening to heavy metal or such to boost them up.
Yeah, but he's about to put his life in danger to protect YOUR freedom.
There is a guy in a documentary about battles on the field which said that just before a raid, some dude in the infantry where listening to heavy metal or such to boost them up.
Nothing wrong with that! I use metal at the gym to squeeze out a few more reps!
Yep, good documentary. I've watched it a number of times. Most of those guys were very intelligent, and funny as well. One of them makes a very good point about Schlager music. He says it wasn't political at all, which is what makes it very political.
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You always have to be careful to sort out cause and effect in this sort of problem. How many poor, teenage burnouts from violent or disfunctional families are going to be drawn more to The Carpenters than death metal? Probably not too many.
Personally, I cannot for the life me figure out why people like to watch super-violent and gory movies, but some people do. I think it's a sign of a serious sickness, but a lot of apparently normal people clearly enjoy it. Scary I can understand, for the same reason people like to base jump or do other things for a rush. But outright violent and sadistic movies, I just don't get it and can't understand how it can be considered normal.
Here is a lesser known fact: Demis Roussos (yes, cohort of Vangelis) was a frequent guest at the "Hitparade", the German TV Show for Schlager Music.
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Originally Posted by verve92
Why can we get such documentaries in the US? The so called liberal (or dare to think of intellectual) press/tv does not exist. It is an illusion made up by some people to stir up things.
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Keep things simple: A can-opener lets you eat, not a microwave (Waldorf branded products excluded).
Here is a lesser known fact: Demis Roussos (yes, cohort of Vangelis) was a frequent guest at the "Hitparade", the German TV Show for Schlager Music.
Why can we get such documentaries in the US? The so called liberal (or dare to think of intellectual) press/tv does not exist. It is an illusion made up by some people to stir up things.
I'm with you!
Look at the education stats and watch 24 hour news. Network TV. Denial of science.
We are the most anti-intellectual country in the West. My dads company hires people from other countries because the American grads can't show up to an interview on time and have degrees and no real skills.
A real crisis in education. Thousands of teachers laid off.
Its embarrassing. Having lived in Europe (Rome) in college the contrast is stark.
Thats why I love this site all kinds of smart people who give ashite about stuff other than Tom Cruises divorce.
I'm pretty sure that there's at least one psycho willing to kill someone after watching Pretty Woman.
But I don't think any sane person will go on a prostituting spree after watching it. So, no, music, art, entertainment, whatever, doesn't trigger sane people to do insane acts.
Mosh pits seem insane to me. How did that become normal at a music event? Do people ever start mosh pits at classical orchestra performances?
The fist thing I want to do at a Chopin performance is mosh! LOL
I've been in many mosh pits as a kid and there were no fights at any that I can remember. Maybe a bruise or two, but we are men, right?
In fact, my brother and dad and I have to mosh before our family reunions just to work off the tension.
Ahhh! I had a feeling that guys who are obsessed with guns or like to roll and bang around (dance?) with other guys in mosh pits were exhibiting some sort of latent violent homoerotic thing.
Some chicks like guys who dominate mosh pits and own guns.
To get your pile up to size you're going to need to diversify your pulling power.
I'm not saying you should ape up on every bird you see, you just have to be open to working your pile from every angle...
Hmmm, what about using music to get a pile of women up? That works for me.
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